Who Agrees with the Odums Philosophy Relative to Transfers?


Earle

Earle

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An article appeared in the Baton Rouge Advocate today, Sunday, July 15, 2018, about Coach Odums' philosophy relative to transfer athletes in comparison to Coach Fobbs' philosophy. Fobbs has more than 24 transfer players on his roster; Coach Odums only 6. Coach Odums doesn't believe in bringing in a lot of transfer athletes, preferring rather to bring them along as Freshmen in his system and slowly develop them along the way. Coach Fobbs believes in going after good athletes whereever they are, be they at the high school, FSC, or BCS levels, as long as they can fit into his system rather than have his system revolve around them. Which of these strategies relative to transfer athletes do you embrace?
 
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Earle said:
An article appeared in the Baton Rouge Advocate today, Sunday, July 15, 2018, about Coach Odums' philosophy relative to transfer athletes in comparison to Coach Fobbs' philosophy. Fobbs has more than 24 transfer players on his roster; Coach Odums only 6. Coach Odums don't believe in bringing in a lot of transfer athletes, preferring rather to bring them along as Freshmen in his system and slowly develop them along the way. Coach Fobbs believe in going after good athletes whereever they are, be they at the high school, FSC, or BCS levels, as long as they can fit into his system rather than have his system revolve around them. Which of these strategies relative to transfer athletes do you embrace?
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Coach O. Kincaid the only transfer he had that did something. But will se what Fobbs does with his new OC.
 



I like Odums method, build and grow your team yourself than to let outsiders do it for you. Because the success with transfers can only last so long
 
Jsu Sonic Boom said:
I like Odums method, build and grow your team yourself than to let outsiders do it for you. Because the success with transfers can only last so long
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And Grambling football just got hit with an APR violation with loss of practice time.
 
Spady was afraid of transfers too until he realized his staff had no real recruiting connections in state...
 
its hit or miss. Some pan out, some are no better than what you had and others can be the difference between a championship. In the 90s and early 2000s, transfers played a big part but in the 90s, a high school recruit was just as good then or better as we had guys that would sit out then.

The other leagues on the FCS level tend to get transfer linemen on a greater scale which is the major difference. SU in the 90s was successful doing that but they had props who were FBS type players sit out easily. Texas Southern with Johnie Cole was a prime difference in what transfers can do.
 
As Fobbs alluded to in the article he's been happy with most of the transfers he's brought in so he obviously has a very good system in place to determine who transfers in or not.

Contrary to dezjaguar's comment about Kincade being the only transfer "he had that did something" the 2017 SWAC Defensive Player of the Year was Grambling's De'Arius Christmas, a former JUCO transfer. La'Allan Clark, a transfer defensive end from Northwestern State, was 1st team all-SWAC. WR Darrell Clark, an Arizona transfer was second team All-SWAC.

Kendall Hill, a transfer from Oregon State was great for us at one of the strong safety positions. Big, tall and physical and did everything you could ask of a strong safety. Anfernee Mullins, a transfer defensive end from Miss. State also made a huge impact after missing the entire month of September before getting cleared.

And surely, dezjaguar, you remember Calief Samon, another JUCO transfer. He's the guy that returned that kickoff into Southern's territory late in the BC.

I could go on beyond 2017 and throw names out like Guy Stallworth (JUCO) and Blain Winston (UL-Lafayette) but I'll stop there. Fobbs has gotten a lot out of his transfers. There is good depth at almost every position.
 
GramFan said:
As Fobbs alluded to in the article he's been happy with most of the transfers he's brought in so he obviously has a very good system in place to determine who transfers in or not.

Contrary to dezjaguar's comment about Kincade being the only transfer "he had that did something" the 2017 SWAC Defensive Player of the Year was Grambling's De'Arius Christmas, a former JUCO transfer. La'Allan Clark, a transfer defensive end from Northwestern State, was 1st team all-SWAC. WR Darrell Clark, an Arizona transfer was second team All-SWAC.

Kendall Hill, a transfer from Oregon State was great for us at one of the strong safety positions. Big, tall and physical and did everything you could ask of a strong safety. Anfernee Mullins, a transfer defensive end from Miss. State also made a huge impact after missing the entire month of September before getting cleared.

And surely, dezjaguar, you remember Calief Samon, another JUCO transfer. He's the guy that returned that kickoff into Southern's territory late in the BC.

I could go on beyond 2017 and throw names out like Guy Stallworth (JUCO) and Blain Winston (UL-Lafayette) but I'll stop there. Fobbs has gotten a lot out of his transfers. There is good depth at almost every position.
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Y’all also hit on QBs too. In college football, moreso than the NFL, the QB can make a helluva difference.

Southeastern was a top five FCS team with dude from Oregon at QB. Look at them now. Not saying y’all gonna be middling, but having fire at QB is important.

There’s really nothing wrong with the Fobbs/Jacksonville State way or Worm’s method. They’re both winning games.
 
Journalist said:
Y’all also hit on QBs too. In college football, moreso than the NFL, the QB can make a helluva difference.

Southeastern was a top five FCS team with dude from Oregon at QB. Look at them now. Not saying y’all gonna be middling, but having fire at QB is important.

There’s really nothing wrong with the Fobbs/Jacksonville State way or Worm’s method. They’re both winning games.
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Agree. Bryan Bennett was the QBs name.
 
Another thing about it is that Grambling doesn’t just go out and get transfers who just can play football but they bring in humble guys with great attitudes. Out of all the transfers who make the team, none of them have been suspended for conduct or gotten into any other public trouble. You don’t see them being distractions and all these guys show great pride in HBCU’s and they all say they wish they would have came there from the start. It’s not the same as JV State where you can be on probation or papers and still be on the team or like some other places where they argue with the coach on the sideline and cause trouble. Fobbs did say they had to be willing to do things the G way and pass being examined by their peers. Now I do see what Odums is saying but that 3 star recruit that you couldn’t get out of high school because he wanted to go to the big lights may get a taste of the bigger schools and see that it’s not what it seems and find themselves and later want to go to an HBCU where they like the culture. He’s still the same talent but wiser now. You also have the guys who get in trouble. They make one mistake and it may be something they knew was wrong and wouldn’t usually do. They deserve a second chance if they show effort and if they have changed depending on what they have done. Fobbs is doing a great job at finding guys who deserve another shot and selling them on GSU and making them better men. Everyone can’t do it and I’m glad we have had such great success with. I’d take a 3-4 star recruit later after he has opened his eyes as apposed to missing out on them forever.
 



Basebone1898 said:
Yup. That’s the risk you take when you play the JUCO/FBS transfer game.
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There are caveats with the Fobbs method and the Odums method.

But with any recruit (transfer or straight out of HS) it is on your staff and compliance folks to make sure the young man has what it takes to complete his matriculation

Now we can paint pictures on motivations for their recruiting philosophy like Grambling’s situation when Fobbs got there or the mess Worm inherited with the APR saga. Both are interesting back stories.

Good bit of us Southern folk and SWAC folk understood the severity of what was going on at Grambling when Fobbs took over.

Good bit of Grambling folk and SWAC folk understood that Worm was doing what he was doing the last few years essentially with one hand tied behind his back and his legs tied together due to sanctions (that weren’t on his watch).
 
Journalist said:
.....Good bit of us Southern folk and SWAC folk understood the severity of what was going on at Grambling when Fobbs took over.

Good bit of Grambling folk and SWAC folk understood that Worm was doing what he was doing the last few years essentially with one hand tied behind his back and his legs tied together due to sanctions (that weren’t on his watch).
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A bit of over exaggeration in that last paragraph.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
Also either coach’s approach has little to do with APR. Grambling’s APR score is higher than Southern’s.
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Not last year's single year score. You have to remember APR hits you a couple years down the road. So the score Grambling had for 2016-17 school year is the most recent and is the lowest single year score yall have had under Fobbs (900). That will affect your overall score for the next 3 years. I'd imagine the 2017-18 score that comes out next spring will be similar and further lower Grambling's overall score.

He'd gone from a single year score of 970 in 2014-15 to a 904 in 2015-16 and now a 900 in 2016-17. Southern went from the unusable data debacle at 875 in 2014-15 to 930 in 2015-16 to 938 in 2016-17.

And it isn't that the transfers IN hurt. It's the transfers OUT that were replaced by those incoming guys.
 
Both methods are working at each school. Both methods have worked in the past at each school. It all boils down to recruiting and coaching. That same article eluded to PV having the most x-fers.

Does it matter where they come from as long as they buy into "that schools" system?
 
I will say this...I have met a large number of the transfers. Fobbs system does not just involve football he patterns his recruitment the same way Coach Rob recruited.

I believe in getting the best talent wherever it may be to fit your system.

When SU doesn't win any more Bayou Classics or go to the Celebration Bowl the questions to Odums will change.

Right now it is 36-33 SU
Longest win streak is GSU with 9

When the numbers flip and GSU is on the win column more things will change. SU wants championships and if anybody on this board denies that they should not stop posting. That's the objective of every coach. If Odums feels that his system is working to just simply have winning seasons with no championships then all power to him....but sooner or later SU supporters are going to get angry about not having their moment.
 
Jaguar94 said:
Both methods are working at each school. Both methods have worked in the past at each school. It all boils down to recruiting and coaching. That same article eluded to PV having the most x-fers.

Does it matter where they come from as long as they buy into "that schools" system?
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I think Odums method is working to have a winning season but not working to win championships.
 
The Founder said:
I think Odums method is working to have a winning season but not working to win championships.
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I completely disagree. It works for championships as well. It boils down to coaching to win championships. Look at your 2014 team. Coaching changed the mentality of the team to nearly making the championship. And if you bring in xfers that don't work out, physically, then no ships. Coaching in this league wins championships.
 
GramFan said:
As Fobbs alluded to in the article he's been happy with most of the transfers he's brought in so he obviously has a very good system in place to determine who transfers in or not.

Contrary to dezjaguar's comment about Kincade being the only transfer "he had that did something" the 2017 SWAC Defensive Player of the Year was Grambling's De'Arius Christmas, a former JUCO transfer. La'Allan Clark, a transfer defensive end from Northwestern State, was 1st team all-SWAC. WR Darrell Clark, an Arizona transfer was second team All-SWAC.

Kendall Hill, a transfer from Oregon State was great for us at one of the strong safety positions. Big, tall and physical and did everything you could ask of a strong safety. Anfernee Mullins, a transfer defensive end from Miss. State also made a huge impact after missing the entire month of September before getting cleared.

And surely, dezjaguar, you remember Calief Samon, another JUCO transfer. He's the guy that returned that kickoff into Southern's territory late in the BC.

I could go on beyond 2017 and throw names out like Guy Stallworth (JUCO) and Blain Winston (UL-Lafayette) but I'll stop there. Fobbs has gotten a lot out of his transfers. There is good depth at almost every position.
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Kincaid had the most impact of transfers on Grambling team. The other guys should've been in the conference from the start, they were good players but not a stand out talent from everybody else like Kincaid. Kincaid was on a hole other level talent from everybody in the conference.
 
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