JSU Football Relieved of ALL APR Penalties


Blacknbengal said:
HBCUs, you all ain't heavy. You all are our brothers. Congrats to us!!!!
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Thursday April 26, 2012 - 2:42 PM
NCAA to give low-resource schools more time to meet APR standard

http://www.cbssports.com/general/st...source-schools-more-time-to-meet-apr-standard

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA's Board of Directors will give low-resource schools more time to comply with the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate requirements.

An NCAA spokesman says the measure was approved Thursday.

Low-resource schools, primarily historically black colleges and universities, are ranked in the bottom 15 percentile based on an average of institutional spending per student, athletic expenses per student-athlete and the average Pell Grant per student. Football Bowl Subdivision schools cannot make the list.

In October, the board approved a proposal requiring schools to have a four-year APR average of 900 or an average of 930 on the two most recent scores to be eligible for postseason play over the next two years. All schools must have a 900 during that span, but some will not have to hit 930 until 2016-17.

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UK_razy April 26, 2012 10:34 pmWhat bull****. "Low-resource" schools typically have way fewer students, so their "low" resources are equaled out, for the most part. Again, bull****.

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bigeast12 April 26, 2012 6:21 pmAffirmative action is alive and well. They are doing this cause almost every traditional "black" school is ineligible for the dance. My sources say the entire Swac is done with out this....so sad.

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Glad for JSU... now that we've been given more time to get our Academics in order, let's do just that. We are not sending kids to the NFL, therefore let our MAIN selling point be that we are educating our student-athletes.
 
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JR said:
Sounds like a group of HBCUs and low resource schools got together on this and pushed the NCAA. You already know it was more than us SWAC schools that complained. We shole know Duer didn't try to help us. Yall complained and I remember Stump complained and got turned down and then our bball coach got shot down for applying for the waiver from the NCAA. Don't know if Gram lobbied or not for their penalties. I would like to see who was on that teleconference that convinced the NCAA to hear our pleas. That's who all HBCUs should be thanking.
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The former Commissioner is on the Education Committee.
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
Thursday April 26, 2012 - 2:42 PM
NCAA to give low-resource schools more time to meet APR standard

http://www.cbssports.com/general/st...source-schools-more-time-to-meet-apr-standard

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA's Board of Directors will give low-resource schools more time to comply with the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate requirements.

An NCAA spokesman says the measure was approved Thursday.

Low-resource schools, primarily historically black colleges and universities, are ranked in the bottom 15 percentile based on an average of institutional spending per student, athletic expenses per student-athlete and the average Pell Grant per student. Football Bowl Subdivision schools cannot make the list.

In October, the board approved a proposal requiring schools to have a four-year APR average of 900 or an average of 930 on the two most recent scores to be eligible for postseason play over the next two years. All schools must have a 900 during that span, but some will not have to hit 930 until 2016-17.

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UK_razy April 26, 2012 10:34 pmWhat bull****. "Low-resource" schools typically have way fewer students, so their "low" resources are equaled out, for the most part. Again, bull****.

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bigeast12 April 26, 2012 6:21 pmAffirmative action is alive and well. They are doing this cause almost every traditional "black" school is ineligible for the dance. My sources say the entire Swac is done with out this....so sad.

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Have no idea why you posted the two negative comments. Perhaps you agree with those comments. The comments never mentioned the fact that the deck is already stacked against HBCU's from the start, giving the larger schools more resources, leverage and finances.
If that's not an unwritten form of affirmative action, I don't know what is.
 
Congrats JSU! Now let us ALL step our games up and not remain stagnant in our approach to this problem. Most of us still need to make some changes to be able to fulfill our mission in educating AND graduating these young student athletes like our schools are called to do. There is an unfair playing field, but let's adjust accordingly. However, kudos to the SWAC Presidents and the Education Committee members that voiced their concerns and stood up against the distinct challenges we face!
 
Blacknbengal said:
Yeah, I'll like to see that too.
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Same here. In the meantime, here is some additional information regarding this situation:

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...4270339/NCAA-lift-postseason-practice-ban-JSU

In a video posted on the NCAA's website, Walter Harrison, president of the University of Hartford and chairman of the NCAA Committee on Academic Performance, explained why the rule was changed.

"Division I in the NCAA has approximately 350 institutions," Harrison said. "And each of those institutions has a slightly different mission and also a very, very large difference in the resources available to them.

"We've learned that there are a disproportionate number of issues that affect the low-resource institutions," he continued. "We think it's more responsive to the issues that they face and will help them be more successful in the long run."
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
... more time ... It is not over.

Think About It!
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Jafus,

APR ain't that hard to handle. JSU just had to learn HOW to work within the system. Also, watch how it all changes again. If in 4 years, NO HBCUs can reach 930 consistently, we will be granted more time or more exceptions. Look at how the NCAA had rule after rule on how to REMAIN 1-A but you still have schools who don't meet those early requirements.
 



JayRob said:
Have no idea why you posted the two negative comments. Perhaps you agree with those comments. The comments never mentioned the fact that the deck is already stacked against HBCU's from the start, giving the larger schools more resources, leverage and finances.
If that's not an unwritten form of affirmative action, I don't know what is.
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When is the last time Jafus ever offered anything? I don't understand why he still keeps his account active.

But to your point, HBCUs graduate 30% or it's students in 6 years (on average), yet they want athletic teams to graduate 50% in 4. Other universities graduate 80-90% of their student body in 6 years so 50% is more realistic for them. When APR first came out, they said that schools would not be held accountable for a low APR if the graduation rate of their athletes was higher than those of the student body. What ever happened to that rule?
 
Blacknbengal said:
Well, I suggest that you, (PV) get on your horse and ride out then. Cause we already have the system in place for JSU and it's reaping benefits as we type.
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BB,
You might want to go read the NCAA new guidelines for us. It aint easy as you think it is and that's why Jafus said, all we got was a little more time. Here is the detailed NCAA viewpoint on the guidelines for us.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-04-26/cap-endorse-alternate-apr-transition

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-04-26/ncaa-apr-academic-rules-delayed/54559534/1
 
JR said:
BB,
You might want to go read the NCAA new guidelines for us. It aint easy as you think it is and that's why Jafus said, all we got was a little more time. Here is the detailed NCAA viewpoint on the guidelines for us.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-04-26/cap-endorse-alternate-apr-transition

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-04-26/ncaa-apr-academic-rules-delayed/54559534/1
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JR, as long as we're making progress towards the 930 mark, we're ok until 2016-17. I have no doubt that we'll make it to that point.

Limited-resource schools will have a longer transition to having to meet the 930 mark and will avoid further penalties if they meet two conditions - have a "meaningful" APR improvement plan and make "significant progress toward" the new 930 APR benchmark, the NCAA statement said.


Jackson State qualifies because its APR is increasing and it has installed a "meaningful"improvement plan.

The football team had a 2010-11 single-year score of 913, a 27-point jump from the previous single-year score and the highest single-year score in at least six years. Its 888 multi-year score is its highest since 2006-07 and is just 12 points shy of meeting that penalty threshold.
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Tigerpride said:
When is the last time Jafus ever offered anything? I don't understand why he still keeps his account active.

But to your point, HBCUs graduate 30% or it's students in 6 years (on average), yet they want athletic teams to graduate 50% in 4. Other universities graduate 80-90% of their student body in 6 years so 50% is more realistic for them. When APR first came out, they said that schools would not be held accountable for a low APR if the graduation rate of their athletes was higher than those of the student body. What ever happened to that rule?
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Yall giving them more credit than than they deserve. Not all PWIs are graduating nearly that high. Most lag around the 60-70% and even 50%. That 80-90% is for a lot of the Ivy Leagues and the few top-teir state research schools. http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?level=nation&mode=graph&state=0&submeasure=27


I have never been a proponent of APR because graduation rates are flawed as it is. They don't take unique educational missions (open enrollment/taking chances on kids that nobody else would - even though I think HBCUs should work with community colleges to eliminate this as well) into account, they don't account for part-time students, and they don't count students that transfer into your school that attend full-time and eventually graduate. In addition, the kid that attends your school and transfers because it was not the right fit or whatever reason, but transfers to another school and graduates is a penality as well. All of those areas that I mentioned are very highly relevant for just about every HBCU, minus a few. But we get penalized because of it with graduation rates which in turn impacts our APR. Hence, why I think the entire system is flawed before you even begin to talk about us being limited resource institutions.
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
Yall giving them more credit than than they deserve. Not all PWIs are graduating nearly that high. Most lag around the 60-70% and even 50%. That 80-90% is for a lot of the Ivy Leagues and the few top-teir state research schools. http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?level=nation&mode=graph&state=0&submeasure=27


I have never been a proponent of APR because graduation rates are flawed as it is. They don't take unique educational missions (open enrollment/taking chances on kids that nobody else would - even though I think HBCUs should work with community colleges to eliminate this as well) into account, they don't account for part-time students, and they don't count students that transfer into your school that attend full-time and eventually graduate. In addition, the kid that attends your school and transfers because it was not the right fit or whatever reason, but transfers to another school and graduates is a penality as well. All of those areas that I mentioned are very highly relevant for just about every HBCU, minus a few. But we get penalized because of it with graduation rates which in turn impacts our APR. Hence, why I think the entire system is flawed before you even begin to talk about us being limited resource institutions.
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Even so, you still don't have but maybe one or two HBCUs even close to 60% for their entire student body.
Also, the system is not as flawed as it is stupid.
 
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