Yahoo: HBCUs Look to Close Gap at FCS Level

[jstate83]

Spot on! It amazes me that we will sit by the TV and watch bowl games. But the minute we do it, then the comments are we are thinking back in the sixties. We are some messed up people.

Bowl Games is all the FBS has. You have no choice but to watch BOWL GAMES if you are watching FBS teams in DECEMBER. That is their system yet FBS fans are screaming PLAYOFF every year. Heck, ya'll do it here when it comes to FBS but act like the world is ending when somebody mentions playoff on the FCS level. You have no choice but to watch BOWL GAMES if you are watching FBS teams in DECEMBER.

WE ARE FCS............WE GOT A PLAYOFF. That is our system.
That is what we do on OUR level. Ya'll so BOWL HAPPY, move up to FBS and hope to play in some December 17th bowl game like the New Orleans bowl that was played in a empty Superdome Monday night. :lol:

 

[JSU2000]

The old days are gone. Adapt and overcome or be left behind. Right now the SWAC is being left behind and folks just keep on saying, let's have a bowl game between number 2 and 3 that only pays 1.5 million to each conference. And they are happy with 1.5 mil! :no: Again, we are not on the BCS level, so why think of bowl games when there is a postseason that has a playoff system. I agree, you should not have to bid just to host the game. One way to get over this is to have the conference to pay it's champion bid, if it is legal. But, if we are so stuck on wanting to do bowl game, then let's convince our SWAC presidents and administrators to move the conference to the BCS level. But i'm pretty sure we will find excuses why we can't.

 

[MikeBigg]

The lifeblood of HBCU's is student enrollment. One way to get that enrollment up is exposure of a good football program, one that wins against the both conference and non-conference competition.
Each school has it's own approach about scheduling their two non-conference games dependent upon that schools geographical location, traditional rivalries, budgetary strategy. That's their perogative
as each school feels it has the best business model for their particular program. With only two non-conference games, it's important that we choose wisely. For Grambling, I'm warming to the idea of playing the two non-conference games versus either in-state FBS(minimum $250k for ULM, ULL, LaTech, $350k minimum Tulane, $500k minimum LSU) ... The newly formed Big East would be the other FBS conference. I'm looking for games that will be televised in the Dallas Market, The East Coast Market even if on their replay shows.

That brings me to the FCS playoffs... We've played a 9 game mandated regular season. Whoever has the best record from that is the league champion. No need to have a SCG. If the winner is anyone but SU, Bama State, and GSU then the NCAA will select them as an at large. That means that this year (barring the APR issues) JSU might have gotten a bid at 9-2. Is it good for the conference that a 9-2 team sits at home when the FCS playoffs is an option and something that school would like to participate in for more EXPOSURE?

Again... the bid process sucks! Since our money goes to General Funds which in turns finances our athletics, let's focus on growing the General Fund via increased enrollment. We increase enrollment through "recruiting" via athletic teams exposure. Oh, one problem... we better get off our azzes and support with dollars so that we can have the clout to get rid of coaches who ain't getting it done.

 

[Tigerpride]

Dude.
D1 or BCS teams as they are called now have been playing "AUGUST Kickoff Classics" forever. It started in the Meadowlands a looooooooong time ago. :lol:

Yep but it's more of them now.. and not just kickoff classics.

 

[Tigerpride]

Food For Thought:

It is December 21, 2011, 1:33 Central Standard Time. In 11 days, the year 2012 will be in play. The SCG was started in 1999. The economy was experiencing a surplus. It is 2011. The economy is recovering from one of the worst recessions in history. See where I'm getting at here?

No

 

[Tigerpride]

The old days are gone. Adapt and overcome or be left behind. Right now the SWAC is being left behind and folks just keep on saying, let's have a bowl game between number 2 and 3 that only pays 1.5 million to each conference. And they are happy with 1.5 mil! :no: Again, we are not on the BCS level, so why think of bowl games when there is a postseason that has a playoff system. I agree, you should not have to bid just to host the game. One way to get over this is to have the conference to pay it's champion bid, if it is legal. But, if we are so stuck on wanting to do bowl game, then let's convince our SWAC presidents and administrators to move the conference to the BCS level. But i'm pretty sure we will find excuses why we can't.

ESPN and nobody else is offering any other 1-AA conferences a penny but we want to scoff at 1.5M dollars. If we SUPPORT this effort and get 40-50K fans in the stadium, that amount might increase.
What does a bowl game have to do with FBS? I guess being the only conferences with a 1-AA bowl game is a bad thing. Yeah, it's bad until the SoCon and the CAA get tired of being pimped by the NCAA and start having one. Then it will be the right thing to do. Eveything in athletics is about money. If conferences find ways to make more money, they will go for it. We have a way to make $1.5M and we scoff at it. N-words!

 

[Tigerpride]

Bowl Games is all the FBS has. You have no choice but to watch BOWL GAMES if you are watching FBS teams in DECEMBER. That is their system yet FBS fans are screaming PLAYOFF every year. Heck, ya'll do it here when it comes to FBS but act like the world is ending when somebody mentions playoff on the FCS level. You have no choice but to watch BOWL GAMES if you are watching FBS teams in DECEMBER.

WE ARE FCS............WE GOT A PLAYOFF. That is our system.
That is what we do on OUR level. Ya'll so BOWL HAPPY, move up to FBS and hope to play in some December 17th bowl game like the New Orleans bowl that was played in a empty Superdome Monday night. :lol:

man, ya'll come up with anything to be negative. smh

We as a society watch 6-6 teams play in Bowl games yet, even though the NCAA says we can, you all don't want our 8-3 and 9-2 teams to play again. WOW

The point you all keep missing is that you can have a HB without affecting playoff bids and every MEAC poster has said they would agree with that....In the last 5 years, these would have been the match-ups.

2007 AAMU (8-3) vs. Norfolk State (8-3, 6-2)

2008 PVAM (9-1) vs FAMU (9-3)

2009 FAMU (8-3, 6-2) vs. Grambling ( 7-4, 5-2)

2010 FAMU (8-3, 7-1) vs. Grambling (9-2, 8-1)

2011 BCU (8-3, 7-2) vs Alabama State (8-3, 7-2) winning tie-breaker over JSU


So while we cant get you what you want (a playoff bid every 8 years), we CAN give our kids another chance to play and we should not keep that from them.

 

[SU Jag 79]

I'm not a playoff hater .... let me state that again. I am not a playoff hater.

I am, however, very curious at the ones HERE who pledge their all to it.

83, since you seem to be the ring leader, I will address you.

For Jackson State to get to the playoffs, what would need to happen?

(a) Good record (Check)
(b) Good out of Conference schedule (Concordia, Tenn State) X
(c) Good FCS Playoff history X
(d) Willingness to Bid (Y'all have hosted once or twice, but today, that would be) X

If the SWAC did away with the SCG today, YOU STILL wouldn't have gone based on JSU's doing. I'm not trying to put down JSU. Please hear that.

However, for the entire MEAC and those here who are promoting it, show ME where goign to the playoffs has improved your program with THAT being the reason and show me a way you THINK it would improve your program.

My contention is that you would gain MORE from playing those caliber teams in the regular season instead of FAMU (SOuthern), Tenn State (Jackson State) and the rest.

Until you force your fan base to believe in your atheltic program enough to not be halted by state cuts, stupidity in administration, and just overall non-trust (I.E. giving them a reason to want to be a part of something greater), all this playoff talk can cease.

Marty Miller, Norfolk State AD, had a golden opportunity with a bigger stadium than his counterpart down the road .... 83 and other playoff proponents .... Why did this man not BID on a home game with an 11,000 seat advantage over ODU? If I thought the playoffs would bring more exposure to Southern than the Bayou Classic, I'd leave it in a second, but how many of you can tell me without looking it up who is playing in the title game and where it is this year?

The NCAA has money hands over fist, but loses on the FCS Playoffs?
The Big Six Took their ability to survive in their own hands and CREATED a championship .... They basically only compete with each other .... sound familiar?

 

[jstate83]

man, ya'll come up with anything to be negative. smh

We as a society watch 6-6 teams play in Bowl games yet, even though the NCAA says we can, you all don't want our 8-3 and 9-2 teams to play again. WOW

The point you all keep missing is that you can have a HB without affecting playoff bids and every MEAC poster has said they would agree with that....In the last 5 years, these would have been the match-ups.

2007 AAMU (8-3) vs. Norfolk State (8-3, 6-2)

2008 PVAM (9-1) vs FAMU (9-3)

2009 FAMU (8-3, 6-2) vs. Grambling ( 7-4, 5-2)

2010 FAMU (8-3, 7-1) vs. Grambling (9-2, 8-1)

2011 BCU (8-3, 7-2) vs Alabama State (8-3, 7-2) winning tie-breaker over JSU


So while we cant get you what you want (a playoff bid every 8 years), we CAN give our kids another chance to play and we should not keep that from them.

You talking about someone comming up with anything negative when it is you that stubbornly dismiss anything anyone says about playoffs.

My comment was about how we watch bowl games for FBS teams and won't watch bowl games when we do it. I simply explained the difference. Don't get mad at me because what I said was the simple facts of our 2 divisions. :lol:

 

[jstate83]

I'm not a playoff hater .... let me state that again. I am not a playoff hater.

I am, however, very curious at the ones HERE who pledge their all to it.

83, since you seem to be the ring leader, I will address you.

For Jackson State to get to the playoffs, what would need to happen?

(a) Good record (Check)
(b) Good out of Conference schedule (Concordia, Tenn State) X
(c) Good FCS Playoff history X
(d) Willingness to Bid (Y'all have hosted once or twice, but today, that would be) X

If the SWAC did away with the SCG today, YOU STILL wouldn't have gone based on JSU's doing. I'm not trying to put down JSU. Please hear that.

However, for the entire MEAC and those here who are promoting it, show ME where goign to the playoffs has improved your program with THAT being the reason and show me a way you THINK it would improve your program.

My contention is that you would gain MORE from playing those caliber teams in the regular season instead of FAMU (SOuthern), Tenn State (Jackson State) and the rest.

Until you force your fan base to believe in your atheltic program enough to not be halted by state cuts, stupidity in administration, and just overall non-trust (I.E. giving them a reason to want to be a part of something greater), all this playoff talk can cease.

Marty Miller, Norfolk State AD, had a golden opportunity with a bigger stadium than his counterpart down the road .... 83 and other playoff proponents .... Why did this man not BID on a home game with an 11,000 seat advantage over ODU? If I thought the playoffs would bring more exposure to Southern than the Bayou Classic, I'd leave it in a second, but how many of you can tell me without looking it up who is playing in the title game and where it is this year?

The NCAA has money hands over fist, but loses on the FCS Playoffs?
The Big Six Took their ability to survive in their own hands and CREATED a championship .... They basically only compete with each other .... sound familiar?

See............. Everytime I, JSTATE83 mentions playoff, I'm the ring leader simply because I don't do the hucklebuck dance when someone say Classic or Heritage bowl. I like the playoff system. I'm not trying to convince any of you about anything anymore. I'm just posting to pass the time on this subject.

The only thing I have said in reguards to the playoffs, getting there, and this conference is that the SWAC is the only conference in America that allows it's schools to do whatever they want. The NCAA ain't gonna wait 2 seconds on one of us under the current structure but some are still delousional and think this is still the same FCS playoffs of the 1980's. NAME ME ONE CONFERENCE, ON ANY LEVEL FROM FBS TO D3 THAT DO THE SHAT THE SWAC DO AS FOR ISOLATING OURSELVES AND HAVING BASICALLY 2 CONFERENCES IN ONE. :lol:

It is a splintered conference. But like I said, I'm not seriously discussing this mess anymore. The Fugg the playoff crowd, SCG, play everybody, then 2 teams play again crowd won that battle long ago.

Enjoy.
I really don't see why people even start these threads anymore. :noidea: A playoff thread on this board about this conference is about as useless as a man with no legs at a azz kicking contest.

 

[JROCK]

Those schools that would like to participate in the playoffs should change conferences and find a better fit.

:lol: :emlaugh:

 

[JSU2000]

ESPN and nobody else is offering any other 1-AA conferences a penny but we want to scoff at 1.5M dollars. If we SUPPORT this effort and get 40-50K fans in the stadium, that amount might increase.
What does a bowl game have to do with FBS? I guess being the only conferences with a 1-AA bowl game is a bad thing. Yeah, it's bad until the SoCon and the CAA get tired of being pimped by the NCAA and start having one. Then it will be the right thing to do. Eveything in athletics is about money. If conferences find ways to make more money, they will go for it. We have a way to make $1.5M and we scoff at it. N-words!

First off why do I have to be a N-word? We can talk and disagree without that.
Now back on the topic. SoCon and the CAA will not get tired of participating in the playoffs to win a national championship. This is what they play for every year. I don't see this changing. Again, if you want to have a bowlgame, then talk with JSU about going to the FBS level. I will support this move with my money and time as well. Right now all of your bowl talk is useless. Our goal while on the FCS level, should be to play for a national championship not a SCG championship or just making it to the playoffs. I don't see anything in your posts about competing for a national championship. All I am hearing is let's get the number 2, 3, and 4 in a bowl, on the FCS level, paying 1.5 mil and being happy about it. And I think pretty soon, if the MEAC/SWAC challenge doesn't improve in the attendance, ESPN will not be showing that game either or it will be tape delayed and played on Sunday evening.

 

[JROCK]

Begging is a clear sign of weakness. If you don't like the currrent situation and the majority feels the same then you should have options. The OVC or the SLC would be glad to get one of the SWAC's big fish. It doesn't look like to me that the majority have the same sentiments as a few on this board otherwise you would see "occupy administration buildings." :lol: :emlaugh:

 

[jstate83]

Those schools that would like to participate in the playoffs should change conferences and find a better fit.

:lol: :emlaugh:

Since you like the bowl system so much, why do YOU change conferences and MOVE UP so that you and your school can participate in all the bowl games you want on the level that is made for BOWL GAMES. That would be the better fit since it is YOU that like the FBS BOWL SYSTEM. :lol:

 

[wahines]

I am a fan of the playoffs. I just want our HBCU's to be on equal ground to compete. If you don't think we have a ways to go. Just watch the ODU/NSU game and you will see why.

 

[jstate83]

First off why do I have to be a N-word? We can talk and disagree without that.
Now back on the topic. SoCon and the CAA will not get tired of participating in the playoffs to win a national championship. This is what they play for every year. I don't see this changing. Again, if you want to have a bowlgame, then talk with JSU about going to the FBS level. I will support this move with my money and time as well. Right now all of your bowl talk is useless. Our goal while on the FCS level, should be to play for a national championship not a SCG championship or just making it to the playoffs. I don't see anything in your posts about competing for a national championship. All I am hearing is let's get the number 2, 3, and 4 in a bowl, on the FCS level, paying 1.5 mil and being happy about it. And I think pretty soon, if the MEAC/SWAC challenge doesn't improve in the attendance, ESPN will not be showing that game either or it will be tape delayed and played on Sunday evening.

Because if you don't agree with them 100%, they get frustrated and start name calling when you point out flaws in their Post season SWAC BOWL SYSTEM. You must say YT is pimping us while CHEERING Leroy doing the same thing at these classics. :lol:

 

[jstate83]

I am a fan of the playoffs. I just want our HBCU's to be on equal ground to compete. If you don't think we have a ways to go. Just watch the ODU/NSU game and you will see why.

I saw the Sam Houston / Georgia Southern game last weekend.
Yes............We got a long way to go, thanks to 10 years of isolation, but no incentive to do so under our current confernce format and goals.

 

[JSU2000]

man, ya'll come up with anything to be negative. smh

We as a society watch 6-6 teams play in Bowl games yet, even though the NCAA says we can, you all don't want our 8-3 and 9-2 teams to play again. WOW

The point you all keep missing is that you can have a HB without affecting playoff bids and every MEAC poster has said they would agree with that....In the last 5 years, these would have been the match-ups.

2007 AAMU (8-3) vs. Norfolk State (8-3, 6-2)

2008 PVAM (9-1) vs FAMU (9-3)

2009 FAMU (8-3, 6-2) vs. Grambling ( 7-4, 5-2)

2010 FAMU (8-3, 7-1) vs. Grambling (9-2, 8-1)

2011 BCU (8-3, 7-2) vs Alabama State (8-3, 7-2) winning tie-breaker over JSU


So while we cant get you what you want (a playoff bid every 8 years), we CAN give our kids another chance to play and we should not keep that from them.

When did the NCAA say that the SWAC and MEAC can participate in bowl games at the FCS level? Maybe back in the day, but not now. Also, why would the NCAA only let HBCUs participate in bowls but the other FCS conferences cannot participate? That statement right there doesn't make sense.

 

[JSU2000]

Begging is a clear sign of weakness. If you don't like the currrent situation and the majority feels the same then you should have options. The OVC or the SLC would be glad to get one of the SWAC's big fish. It doesn't look like to me that the majority have the same sentiments as a few on this board otherwise you would see "occupy administration buildings." :lol: :emlaugh:

Who is begging? I'm not. I'm just saying the comments on why we should not go to the playoffs do not hold water anymore. Occupy administration buildings :emlaugh:.

 

[wahines]

I saw the Sam Houston / Georgia Southern game last weekend.
Yes............We got a long way to go, thanks to 10 years of isolation, but no incentive to do so under our current confernce format and goals.

The MEAC has not been in isolation and have not gotten close in the last ten years. And yes, we have a looooooong ways to go!

 

[jstate83]

The MEAC has not been in isolation and have not gotten close in the last ten years. And yes, we have a looooooong ways to go!

So we roll over, play dead, and say "we don't wanna play no more."
That our excuse................... Right. :lol:

And people here talk about moving up.
If ya'll act this defeated on this level, I would love to see the looks on peoples faces when they have to play them "white FBS schools" NATIONALLY just to be considered for a bowl game. :lol:

 

[wahines]

So we roll over, play dead, and say "we don't wanna play no more."
That our excuse................... Right. :lol:

And people here talk about moving up.
If ya'll act this defeated on this level, I would love to see the looks on peoples faces when they have to play them "white FBS schools" NATIONALLY just to be considered for a bowl game. :lol:

It is amazing that people read what they want to read, like we have limited reading skills. I said I love the playoffs and would love to see the HBCU's compete on even grounds and have a real chance of winning. Right now we have a ways to go and need to figure out how to get there.

 

[usa today]

It is amazing that people read what they want to read, like we have limited reading skills. I said I love the playoffs and would love to see the HBCU's compete on even grounds and have a real chance of winning. Right now we have a ways to go and need to figure out how to get there.

:tup:

 

[number1]

The MEAC has not been in isolation and have not gotten close in the last ten years. And yes, we have a looooooong ways to go!

Thank you, it takes more than just having a spot in the playoffs. Like someone said earlier, there is a difference between being in the playoffs and actually being competitive. Tennessee State hasn't been isolated since they play in a PWC conference, and our teams beat them. FAMU is playoff elgible, but they needed a miracle comeback to beat a 4-7 Southern. So that is telling me that despite some people's thoughts, the MEAC is not light years ahead of our conference due to playoff participation. We have to have better coaches and talent to compete with those teams. Sam Houston didn't just get good out of nowhere, they hired a good coach and accumulated good talent on the team to help them reach that next level.

 

[wahines]

Thank you, it takes more than just having a spot in the playoffs. Like someone said earlier, there is a difference between being in the playoffs and actually being competitive. Tennessee State hasn't been isolated since they play in a PWC conference, and our teams beat them. FAMU is playoff elgible, but they needed a miracle comeback to beat a 4-7 Southern. So that is telling me that despite some people's thoughts, the MEAC is not light years ahead of our conference due to playoff participation. We have to have better coaches and talent to compete with those teams. Sam Houston didn't just get good out of nowhere, they hired a good coach and accumulated good talent on the team to help them reach that next level.

Pretty good points!