Yahoo: HBCUs Look to Close Gap at FCS Level

[JSUDMJ2004]

So we roll over, play dead, and say "we don't wanna play no more."
That our excuse................... Right. :lol:

And people here talk about moving up.
If ya'll act this defeated on this level, I would love to see the looks on peoples faces when they have to play them "white FBS schools" NATIONALLY just to be considered for a bowl game. :lol:

The main factors, our fans, administration and lack of commitment to compete on a National level is also the reason for not being able to compete in the playoffs...Just look on this board as a conference we have given up on competition....

We are the only CONFERENCE who doesn't participate in the PLAYOFFs besides Ivy League Schools so what makes the SWAC so much better than the other conferences? Also if you ask any athlete they want to compete for a National Championship point blank many of you do not understand wanting to compete and be the best among your level of play.....How has the SWAC benefited from not participating in the playoffs? Has our level of play improve I can answer that and say no...and for the NCAA pimpin excuse we can go NAIA real quick and easy so you tell me whats the better alternative..

 

[JSUDMJ2004]

Since you like the bowl system so much, why do YOU change conferences and MOVE UP so that you and your school can participate in all the bowl games you want on the level that is made for BOWL GAMES. That would be the better fit since it is YOU that like the FBS BOWL SYSTEM. :lol:

He is just on here for laughs nothing more he is incapable of making a real statement for or against this subject..

 

[Fiyah]

:deadhorse:

Here we go.

Cut and paste the usual excuses and move on. :lol:

Yep.... :deadhorse::deadhorse:

This topic has been discussed for over 10 years on this board.

Yep.... :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

 

[Tigerpride]

You talking about someone comming up with anything negative when it is you that stubbornly dismiss anything anyone says about playoffs.

Nope, that is not true. I would love for JSU to go to the playoffs but as SOON as someone mentions ANYTHING other than the playoffs, YOU lose it. I even mentioned a way for teams to go to the playoffs and send other teams to a HB and you still dismissed it. But I'm stubborn? Get real.

 

[Tigerpride]

So we roll over, play dead, and say "we don't wanna play no more."
That our excuse................... Right. :lol:

And people here talk about moving up.
If ya'll act this defeated on this level, I would love to see the looks on peoples faces when they have to play them "white FBS schools" NATIONALLY just to be considered for a bowl game. :lol:

That is not what we are saying. We are saying that because right now, the situation we are in makes us more money, so we are going that route. If the playoffs could give us more money, we might consider going that route but they are not. You want us to lose money just to say we go to the playoffs. It does not work that way.

There are articles every year on how the playoffs lose money, yet we play in Bham for $1. Even if all we sell is 20K seats at $20 dollars, that $400K put the TV revenues and the other sponsorship dollars (ie from State Farm who is the title Sponsor). Sure, splitting $400K is not huge but it's better than losing money.

If you were the President of a corporation and you had the chance to make $400K to divide among your employees would you take that deal or would you take a deal where you would lose money? Would you make a decision that would take money out of two of your employees pocket or do what is best for them? The only reason these other conferences are not having championship games is that they can't draw 20K fans.

 

[Tigerpride]

When did the NCAA say that the SWAC and MEAC can participate in bowl games at the FCS level? Maybe back in the day, but not now. Also, why would the NCAA only let HBCUs participate in bowls but the other FCS conferences cannot participate? That statement right there doesn't make sense.

:lol: Dude you funny... Bruh, no one has said that the other conference can't be in bowl games. They just need to submit the request to the NCAA. The only stipulation the NCAA mandates is that if a team is selected for the playoffs, they have to go. For example, if JSU was not under NCAA sanctions, if AAMU had gone to the SCG but JSU was 9-2 and picked for the playoffs, they would have had to go to the playoff which would have sent 8-3 Alabama State to the Legacy Bowl. In fact, according to the new NCAA rules, AAMU can go to the SCG and then advance to the Legacy Bowl. It is only MY preference that another team goes to balance things out and to give another good team a chance to play in the post-season. You need to brush up on a lot of rules before you get into these conversations. Seriously. They have a NCAA book that you can find and you need it ASAP so you can stop going on gut feelings. :smh:

Also, the MEAC and SWAC commissioners want a Legacy Bowl. The Presidents voted it down. So why vote on something that can't happen? It can definitely happen.

 

[Tigerpride]

I saw the Sam Houston / Georgia Southern game last weekend.
Yes............We got a long way to go, thanks to 10 years of isolation, but no incentive to do so under our current confernce format and goals.

Dude GaSouthern was busting JSU's azz before 10 years of isolation.

 

[Tigerpride]

You talking about someone comming up with anything negative when it is you that stubbornly dismiss anything anyone says about playoffs.

My comment was about how we watch bowl games for FBS teams and won't watch bowl games when we do it. I simply explained the difference. Don't get mad at me because what I said was the simple facts of our 2 divisions. :lol:

That is NOT a fact about our two divisions. The fact is, we CAN have bowl games between two 1-AA teams. That's the fact.

 

[mighty hornet]

That is not what we are saying. We are saying that because right now, the situation we are in makes us more money, so we are going that route. If the playoffs could give us more money, we might consider going that route but they are not. You want us to lose money just to say we go to the playoffs. It does not work that way.

There are articles every year on how the playoffs lose money, yet we play in Bham for $1. Even if all we sell is 20K seats at $20 dollars, that $400K put the TV revenues and the other sponsorship dollars (ie from State Farm who is the title Sponsor). Sure, splitting $400K is not huge but it's better than losing money.

If you were the President of a corporation and you had the chance to make $400K to divide among your employees would you take that deal or would you take a deal where you would lose money? Would you make a decision that would take money out of two of your employees pocket or do what is best for them?

:tup::tup:

 

[MikeBigg]

That is not what we are saying. We are saying that because right now, the situation we are in makes us more money, so we are going that route. If the playoffs could give us more money, we might consider going that route but they are not. You want us to lose money just to say we go to the playoffs. It does not work that way.

There are articles every year on how the playoffs lose money, yet we play in Bham for $1. Even if all we sell is 20K seats at $20 dollars, that $400K put the TV revenues and the other sponsorship dollars (ie from State Farm who is the title Sponsor). Sure, splitting $400K is not huge but it's better than losing money.

If you were the President of a corporation and you had the chance to make $400K to divide among your employees would you take that deal or would you take a deal where you would lose money? Would you make a decision that would take money out of two of your employees pocket or do what is best for them? The only reason these other conferences are not having championship games is that they can't draw 20K fans.

I'm somewhat surprised some of the FCS conferences haven't looked into going Divisional like the SWAC and having a Championship game as a source of revenue and then starting the playoffs.

Now that would be a good approach for them to consider!

 

[braves0695]

How can a team from a conference who did not win their league crown be invited to participate in the FCS playoffs? Secondly, let's say an HBCU makes it to the semifinals just like WSSU did this year, isn't that better than winning your conference title? Even if JSU would have went 10-1 this year, WSSU would have still beaten us for the HBCU crown just because of what they achieved. I am don't want to be the best HBCU, I would like for our teams to be the best FCS school who happens to be a HBCU!

I love this statement. From an academic standpoint, we tell our students they can compete with anybody in the country and world. So, why not WANT the same for our athletes?! They are being told we are the best hbcu in the country. You are the best of the 0.00005% in the country.

 

[SU Jag 79]

I love this statement. From an academic standpoint, we tell our students they can compete with anybody in the country and world. So, why not WANT the same for our athletes?! They are being told we are the best hbcu in the country. You are the best of the 0.00005% in the country.

There is NOTHING wrong with that statement. However, if you don't compete with the best in the regular season, as the SWAC and MEAC currently DOES NOT, what the fugg makes you think you can do anything with them when all of the chips are on the table? How is Alcorn playing Langston, Southern playing FAMU, or Jackson State playing Tennessee State helping us towards that goal?

I keep coming back to 83 and I shouldn't (this is nothing personal), but I straight asked this man if he would be willing to get rid of the Tenn. State game and take a trip to Boone or Missoula .... I'm still waiting. That's what it would take for all of us, including the MEAC to start making an in-roads into some of these schools recruits and ways of playing the game.

 

[mighty hornet]

I keep coming back to 83 and I shouldn't (this is nothing personal), but I straight asked this man if he would be willing to get rid of the Tenn. State game and take a trip to Boone or Missoula .... I'm still waiting.

When we get to play AD on the internet, we can say that we would go for some foolishness like that. But, in the real world where ALL of our schools exist, NONE of us are in a position to forego our big payday$ to play the games that the internet ADs schedule for us all the time.

 

[unknown]

I love this statement. From an academic standpoint, we tell our students they can compete with anybody in the country and world. So, why not WANT the same for our athletes?! They are being told we are the best hbcu in the country. You are the best of the 0.00005% in the country.

You can do it all you want, but if you aren't getting the athletes they get.. don't have the funding that they have or the support they do it's not going to make any difference. Do you really think anyone respects the MEAC for getting 1 or 2 teams bust in the face every year in the first round of the playoffs? It's done nothing more than make their conference a laughing stock in the grand scheme of things. Yea, they may get more "respect" but they're also the first choice of opposing teams because they know it's going to be a win. The level of competition they've played hasn't done anything whatsoever to change that.

If you want to compete at that level you need to be making some internal changes FIRST. And hasn't the SWAC participated in the playoffs before? Even back when the teams were actually getting the black athletes with more than a basic level of talent and still fared terribly? I mean at some point you have to be realistic.

 

[In_The_662]

I keep coming back to 83 and I shouldn't (this is nothing personal), but I straight asked this man if he would be willing to get rid of the Tenn. State game and take a trip to Boone or Missoula .... I'm still waiting. That's what it would take for all of us, including the MEAC to start making an in-roads into some of these schools recruits and ways of playing the game.

I think everyone agrees that's the best route for us to go to possibly improve visibility but at the same time at this point, yoiu are putting schools over the fire if you ask them to lose revenue (with only 2 free games) for the sake of OOC SOS IF we don't participate in the playoffs and KEEP the SCG.

 

[In_The_662]

You can do it all you want, but if you aren't getting the athletes they get.. don't have the funding that they have or the support they do it's not going to make any difference. Do you really think anyone respects the MEAC for getting 1 or 2 teams bust in the face every year in the first round of the playoffs? It's done nothing more than make their conference a laughing stock in the grand scheme of things. Yea, they may get more "respect" but they're also the first choice of opposing teams because they know it's going to be a win. The level of competition they've played hasn't done anything whatsoever to change that.

If you want to compete at that level you need to be making some internal changes FIRST. And hasn't the SWAC participated in the playoffs before? Even back when the teams were actually getting the black athletes with more than a basic level of talent and still fared terribly? I mean at some point you have to be realistic.

Cosign.......

 

[braves0695]

SU JAG 79 that's my point. I don't want to be playing the FAMUs, Tenn ST, Langstons and Concordia's of the world. Alcorn use to play the Sam Houston, Stephan F Austin, Middle Tenn St and Samford's back in the day. That's who I want to play now. I don't care to be the best of the little sisters of the blind. I'd rather go to the playoffs and lose against a quality team than go to some HB/LB that noboby cares about except the 2 teams playing in it. That was proven when we had the game years ago.



If the commish wants that game then try to get Disney to blow out on Labor Day weekend. I respect the MEAC more for trying than for us just waving the white flag. If we would have the vision and determination the MEAC has, we might actually have something. We need the vision from the schools as well as the conference. I don't know, but I would assume SWAC basketball players enjoy the opportunity to play in the NCAA Tourney. Even going in as a 16 seed. But I know, someone will say it's not the same. But a lose is a lose.

We need to improve our funding, but that comes from alumni and corporate sponsorship. We have to do a better job of selling the conference. Then you need to be able to sell the athlete on something. Sitting in a kids living room tell him we will compete for a conference or HBCU championship compared to Sam Houston competing for national championship, which would you choose?

 

[J C]

When we get to play AD on the internet, we can say that we would go for some foolishness like that. But, in the real world where ALL of our schools exist, NONE of us are in a position to forego our big payday$ to play the games that the internet ADs schedule for us all the time.

LOL..."Internet AD". Thanks MH, once again you hit it on the head.

 

[Panther88]

When we get to play AD on the internet, we can say that we would go for some foolishness like that. But, in the real world where ALL of our schools exist, NONE of us are in a position to forego our big payday$ to play the games that the internet ADs schedule for us all the time.

+1. :tup: The ONLY gripe I have about the fcs playoff structure is the amount of $$$$ the ncaa recvs when a school hosts a game. :tup:

I'm for scheduling other fcsers/fbs games during OOC play not only for the $$$$ potential but also for the possibility of augmenting competitivity IC.

 

[Blacknbengal]

Yall just a bunch of scarey k******ws.

 

[Blacknbengal]

Resources and athletes????? Do Yall think La Tech had more resources than us before they moved up???? But they just played TCU in a bowl game.

 

[BRAVEHEART123]

Yall just a bunch of scarey k******ws.

+1,000,000 :smh:. Just sced'. It would really shock some of them how the MEAC really looks at the SWAC of Today. Jay Walker gives out hints when he broadcasts games...:smh::smh:.

 

[BRAVEHEART123]

Hint, Hint......Ever wonder why some of those conferences get those "Automatic Conference Bids" in the BCS Bowl Games (Meaning SOLELY the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, etc) even though the team that is chosen is in most cases "controversial"?

A good conference reputation benefits EVERYONE in the conference.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Just because they are going to the playoffs doesn't make you better. The article proved that. The scores for the most part havent been close. That's insanity at it's best.. they are like the neighbors that go and get the new Benz to fit in with the other people in the neighborhood but barely can keep the notes on it while other bills are being neglected.


I've said it before. I'm not totally against the playoffs but the bidding process is silly and the article just proves how slanted the system is with the bids. BC or SCSU could go 11-0 and would still not host a game because if they scheduled a team like TSU and/or JSU as OOC games and won, the selection committee STILL wouldn't respect them and off to App State they go to LOSE again

We need to come up with a system to improve the quality on the field (i.e. no Concordia's) but JUST the playoffs won't do it.

Actually the bid process is in our favor. For teams with a strong home fan base, they are able to bid more without having a huge budget, as they know they will sell tickets. Or just do as BCU did in 2010 and go in the hole.

 

[deionnavar]

The only thing I get from this article is the things I, THE Logical One, have been preaching for years.

1.) Going to the playoffs and competing in the playoffs are two different things.
2.) Playing 1-A teams (esp from BCS conferences) is a waste of time.
3.) I don't understand why playing a good D2 is bad but I totally agree with our OOC games should be almost completely vs other 1-AA teams.
4.) In the SWAC, we need a 7 game format with scheduling restrictions (ie no NAIA and sorry D2 clubs, no conference teams as OOC opponents, etc...)

We play 1-A teams because they pay extremely well to have our bands play at halftime, entertainment that they are not use too. And I agree playing every team in the conference is stupid. Its only set up that way because some teams in the SWAC only have good attendance when a team with a large traveling fanbase comes to town (ex: SU).