Yahoo: HBCUs Look to Close Gap at FCS Level


SU Jag 79 said:
TRUTH!

I have asked them repeatedly how better has having the opportunity to go to the playoffs made your individual programs.

(a) The other FCS conferences STILL don't want to schedule them on the whole.
(b) They are still being disrespected when it comes time for selection.
(c) When they get there, they (team, fans, etc.) STILL don't show up.

Consider this year .... NSU had a game in their damn backdoor and didn't bid on it .... why?

The same reason why despite what 83 says, the SWAC presidents aren't willing to risk what Marty Miller wasn't willing to risk. "If I put up 50,000 and don't get the bid OR can't get enough of my OWN DAMN FANS to come out, all I have done is cost my school MORE MONEY. I don't necessarily disagree with 83 either. We need to play better teams, period. My contention is that instead of going to Memphis or Atlanta or St. Louis, we start taking that trip to Lake Charles, Boone, or or Huntsville. As a conference, adopt the old Southern Miss credo of "Anytime, Anywhere". One game a year.

I have always said if the MEAC (and in this case the SWAC) was SERIOUS about the playoffs, the first thing that has to happen is removal of d2 schools. The second is removal of games against the SWAC/MEAC/Tenn State. Drop back to eight games in conference, have your FBS game, maybe one classic, and one "FCS Challenge" game. We may go 0-10 in the first year, but you keep on doing it, if for nothing else to learn what those schools are doing on the field and off .... IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPETE.

The MEAC ain't competing .... they are just trying to "fit in".
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And how much better of a conference has the MEAC kicked the teeth of a SWAC team over the last decade? But I do agree with most of what you have said. However, until we all stop making excuses and do something about what you mention, at the end of next year's football season, someone will start another thread about how sorry HBCU's are and what can we do to fix things. LOL!
 
BRAVEHEART123 said:
Jstate83,

BH has got your back. Some folks are so blind to the fact that it is indeed sad that I, as an HBCU graduate, didn't even realize when our conference Championship Game took place because I, among most outside of the DIE-HARD Grambling and Alabama A&M Fans, were busy talking about the BCS.

As Jstate83 and I have stated NUMEROUS TIMES ON TSPN SPORTS......THE SWAC IS NOT THE SEC. If you think we can STILL make just on name alone in 2012, I wash my hands...:smh:. If you STILL think our name is highly prestiged OUTSIDE of our conference, you are just fooling yourself. But, Jsstate83 and I threw in our towels a long time ago in trying to get the SWAC to ADAPT to the new environment of sports.

ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT ADAPT
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Oh boy, a brave and a tiger on the agreeing on the same topic. :uhoh: TSPN. You need to be :scared:
 



JSU2000 said:
And how much better of a conference has the MEAC kicked the teeth of a SWAC team over the last decade? But I do agree with most of what you have said. However, until we all stop making excuses and do something about what you mention, at the end of next year's football season, someone will start another thread about how sorry HBCU's are and what can we do to fix things. LOL!
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And if we went to the playoffs, we would be saying the same things....
 
JSU2000 said:
How can a team from a conference who did not win their league crown be invited to participate in the FCS playoffs? Secondly, let's say an HBCU makes it to the semifinals just like WSSU did this year, isn't that better than winning your conference title? Even if JSU would have went 10-1 this year, WSSU would have still beaten us for the HBCU crown just because of what they achieved. I am don't want to be the best HBCU, I would like for our teams to be the best FCS school who happens to be a HBCU!
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lol....MANY of the teams in the playoffs didn't win their conference. I need you to exit this conversation until you learn a little bit more. Also, the last time JSU went to the playoffs (1997) we didn't win the conference.....and we did better in that showing than the times we DID win the conference. Also, sometimes a team wins its conference and gets a lower seed in the playoffs than the second place team in the conference.
 
Why don't we just give the NCAA 80% of the regular season gate while we're at it. Why half do the tomfoolery?
 
JSU2000 said:
How much money would have both teams and conferences would have made from this game? Last time I check, ESPN was only putting up 3 million to host the game. So that is 1.5 million for each conference. That only peanuts compared to other bowl games.
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WHAT FCUKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? What is going to be your next dayum excuse. The way you all talk, we don't deserve 1.4 million. geez. Last time I checked 1.5 million is better than zero. :smh: N-words, N-words, N-words!
 
JROCK said:
Why don't we just give the NCAA 80% of the regular season gate while we're at it. Why half do the tomfoolery?
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Yes.................Why half do tomfoolery.
Getting ripped off by LEROY in the chicken foot classic, getting shorted on your classic checks is a whole lot better. Tell Leroy to save his promises and just do the games for free up front. Maybe this year we can all experience loud mouth DJ's from HOOD stations doing "drop it like it's hot" contest at halftime. :lmao:
 
Perhaps we can raise money during the summer then volunteer to play at half time for the FCS championship game and have a parade the morning before the game (all with the money we raised) :lol: :emlaugh:
 
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jstate83 said:
I'm just in this thread clowning around.
I know the mentality of this conference. Nothing is going to change. The only people that want this "heritage bowl" type crap is SWAC followers still stuck in the 1980's and 1990's. Too scared to compete so they blame it on the money. It damm sure is not about the money. If it was about the money, all these so-called SCG's, Classics, and wanna be post season bowls would have us rolling in dough.

They use the argument of getting pimped, AND YES, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THE NCAA TAKE THAT BIG OF A GATE PERCENTAGE, but we still getting pimped by all these Chicken Foot Bowls and Classics.

You want to push for change in the playoff system, get into the playoffs and raise hell about the money the NCAA is taking at the gate. As long as we are on the outside looking in, we ain't nothing but a bunch of street corner loudmouths that nobody is going to hear or pay attention too. :lol:
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You think they are going to listen to us about the playoffs?

89, I don't think that any of us have a problem with the playoffs but again, what is the reality? NBC shows only ONE BCF game that goes a long way to fill the coffers at GSU and SU and they are not giving that up. It's also great advertising and marketing to a NATIONAL audience. So to any sane person, the next step would be to figure out what our most logical best option is. We can have the SCG, the playoffs, and the HB if we played our cards right but all of that depends on one thing... us getting better! Do you really want us to get better or do you want us to just get a team in the playoffs. Those are two different things.
 
Tigerpride said:
WHAT FCUKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? What is going to be your next dayum excuse. The way you all talk, we don't deserve 1.4 million. geez. Last time I checked 1.5 million is better than zero. :smh: N-words, N-words, N-words!
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Newsflash: :goof:

WE AIN'T GETTING $1.5 MILLION.
We ain't getting shat. That ESPN Legacy Bowl been dead and decayed for going on 3 years now. :lol:
 
jstate83 said:
Yes.................Why half do tomfoolery.
Getting ripped off by LEROY in the chicken foot classic, getting shorted on your classic checks is a whole lot better. Tell Leroy to save his promises and just do the games for free up front. Maybe this year we can all experience loud mouth DJ's from HOOD stations doing "drop it like it's hot" contest at halftime. :lmao:
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Another example is that we down our classics but you have BCS teams taking our concept... hmmmm

The biggest problem with things now is that "we" don't support ourselves. All the black folk who used to go to see Alcorn and JSU are now staying at home to watch LSU and listen to them play "Neck". :lol:
 
Tigerpride said:
You think they are going to listen to us about the playoffs?

89, I don't think that any of us have a problem with the playoffs but again, what is the reality? NBC shows only ONE BCF game that goes a long way to fill the coffers at GSU and SU and they are not giving that up. It's also great advertising and marketing to a NATIONAL audience. So to any sane person, the next step would be to figure out what our most logical best option is. We can have the SCG, the playoffs, and the HB if we played our cards right but all of that depends on one thing... us getting better! Do you really want us to get better or do you want us to just get a team in the playoffs. Those are two different things.
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Whoop de damm do. :lmao:
I don't GAS what they doing.............It ain't doing shat for JSU. "WE GOT OURS SO FUGG YA'LL." That is the mentality of this conference so don't get mad at me. If it don't benifit JSU, I don't GAS about it and the BC dose nothing for JSU. :lol:

And where are the results of all this money on their campuses?

Like I said earlier, nobody wants that crap except SWAC supporters that are stuck in the 1980's classic barnstorming days. :lol:
 
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jstate83 said:
Newsflash: :goof:

WE AIN'T GETTING $1.5 MILLION.
We ain't getting shat. That ESPN Legacy Bowl been dead and decayed for going on 3 years now. :lol:
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Newsflash: It ain't over just like a lot of other things you all think won't happen. Keep reading. Now will it happen? Probably not because I know more than some of the HBCU and conference leaders. However, a lot of new things just came back to the table and some of them ole Viv is in on.. :lol: So get ready to get mad.
 



jstate83 said:
Whoop de damm do.
I don't GAS what they doing.............It ain't doing shat for JSU. That is the mentality of this conference so don't get mad at me. If it don't benifit JSU, I don't GAS about it and the BC dose nothing for JSU. :lol:

And where are the results of all this money on their campuses?

Like I said earlier, nobody wants that crap except SWAC supporters that are stuck in the 1980's classic barnstorming days. :lol:
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Nope, that is untrue. You listening to the 5 people who post on the MEAC board. I LIVE MEAC country and most of them have never heard of the playoffs and if ODU was across from Norfolk State, NONE of them would have gone to see NSU play in that game but I bet 20K of them would have flocked to Atlanta. :lol:

Everything has to start somewhere. I don't care if we only make $10.
 
Tigerpride said:
The playoffs don't make you better. I'm sure you have teams who have never been to the playoffs that can beat us. The MEAC is not better than us. Sure their good teams have beat our sorry teams lately but that's not a real indicator. What the MEAC is doing is the definition of insanity... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. They have tried it all as have some of us. What will work? Playing 1-A teams have not helped either. Even for TNState who plays majority PWCs still step on field and lose to FAMU, JSU, SU and AAMU? We need to find a solid answer to what will work.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. Just because they are going to the playoffs doesn't make you better. The article proved that. The scores for the most part havent been close. That's insanity at it's best.. they are like the neighbors that go and get the new Benz to fit in with the other people in the neighborhood but barely can keep the notes on it while other bills are being neglected.


I've said it before. I'm not totally against the playoffs but the bidding process is silly and the article just proves how slanted the system is with the bids. BC or SCSU could go 11-0 and would still not host a game because if they scheduled a team like TSU and/or JSU as OOC games and won, the selection committee STILL wouldn't respect them and off to App State they go to LOSE again

We need to come up with a system to improve the quality on the field (i.e. no Concordia's) but JUST the playoffs won't do it.
 
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Tigerpride said:
Another example is that we down our classics but you have BCS teams taking our concept... hmmmm

The biggest problem with things now is that "we" don't support ourselves. All the black folk who used to go to see Alcorn and JSU are now staying at home to watch LSU and listen to them play "Neck". :lol:
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Dude.
D1 or BCS teams as they are called now have been playing "AUGUST Kickoff Classics" forever. It started in the Meadowlands a looooooooong time ago. :lol:
 
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SU Jag 79 said:
Only problem with this thought is that just like the MEAC can't point to the playoffs SOLELY as a reason of improvement, we can not SOLELY point to the lack of the playoffs as a reason SWAC play may be where it should be.

(a) Administration
(b) APR
(c) Misuse of Money
(d) Misuse of Power
(e) Alums
(f) Stability
(g) Economy/ Taxes
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Hitting the nail on the head. Hell, we're eligible to compete on the national stage in basketball and baseball and STILL get our heads smashed in outside of the SWAC. It's what our coaches and administrations take away from competing with the better programs that should make our programs better. There is no reason our coaching staffs shouldn't look at the difference in our programs vs. the programs smashing our heads in to make improvements.
 
Food For Thought:

It is December 21, 2011, 1:33 Central Standard Time. In 11 days, the year 2012 will be in play. The SCG was started in 1999. The economy was experiencing a surplus. It is 2011. The economy is recovering from one of the worst recessions in history. See where I'm getting at here?
 
SU Jag 79 said:
Only problem with this thought is that just like the MEAC can't point to the playoffs SOLELY as a reason of improvement, we can not SOLELY point to the lack of the playoffs as a reason SWAC play may be where it should be.

(a) Administration
(b) APR
(c) Misuse of Money
(d) Misuse of Power
(e) Alums
(f) Stability
(g) Economy/ Taxes
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This ^^^^^^. :tup:

I've found myself wavering off the playoff bandwagon and then back on after I look @ the current state. Can anyone honestly state that their school has actually improved athletically over the last 20 years using the CURRENT same formula? :read:

A) facilities
B) competitivity IC
C) competitivity OOC vs sub D-I
D) competitivity OOC vs D-I FCS
E) competitivity OOC vs D-I FBS
F) athletic revenue
G) athletic budget


If the answers are no, no, no, and more no, then I think a serious re-assessment should occur.
 
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...BH will applaud the MEAC for doing for the SWAC is not doing: Giving Themselves a Chance.

Yeah, they may be losing now in that first round but nobody loses forever (No pun intended: Look at the Prairie View Teams of Today).

Eventually, one of those MEAC teams is going to win. The Meac is giving themselves a CHANCE. The SWAC is not even trying...:smh:. I understand giving up a fight in later rounds when you realize you can't win but dang....AT LEAST GIVE YOURSELF A CHANCE IN THE BEGINNING ROUNDS.

You don't know if you don't try.
 
Tigerpride said:
Another example is that we down our classics but you have BCS teams taking our concept... hmmmm

The biggest problem with things now is that "we" don't support ourselves. All the black folk who used to go to see Alcorn and JSU are now staying at home to watch LSU and listen to them play "Neck". :lol:
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Spot on! It amazes me that we will sit by the TV and watch bowl games. But the minute we do it, then the comments are we are thinking back in the sixties. We are some messed up people.
 
I'mma say this and be done with it. I dont mind us playing for a SWAC Championship in the SCG if there was something else to play for afterwards, but it makes no sense to end our conference football year on the SCG while other conferences are still playing.
 
Panther88 said:
This ^^^^^^. :tup:

I've found myself wavering off the playoff bandwagon and then back on after I look @ the current state. Can anyone honestly state that their school has actually improved athletically over the last 20 years using the CURRENT same formula? :read:

A) facilities
B) competitivity IC
C) competitivity OOC vs sub D-I
D) competitivity OOC vs D-I FCS
E) competitivity OOC vs D-I FBS
F) athletic revenue
G) athletic budget


If the answers are no, no, no, and more no, then I think a serious re-assessment should occur.
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Hell No!!

If anybody say yes...............YOU LYING!! :lmao:
 
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