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I'll be glad to share scriptures with you. I'm not here to condemn, but truly to shed some light for all of us, including myself, to get a clear understanding of what God wants us to do with what He has given us. Let's start. What scriptures do you have to share about you being right?
I need a church that is making a difference in the community around them and a pastor that keeps it real. I loved New Jerusalem when I was in Jackson
I am only saying what the Bible says. Do you really know what the church or who the church is? I wonder. The church is the people!!!! Not the building. And when it comes to the tithe.....
If the Church is the PEOPLE.. why must I join a CHURCH to give to the PEOPLE!?!?!
I'll be glad to share scriptures with you. I'm not here to condemn, but truly to shed some light for all of us, including myself, to get a clear understanding of what God wants us to do with what He has given us. Let's start. What scriptures do you have to share about you being right?
I'll be glad to share scriptures with you. I'm not here to condemn, but truly to shed some light for all of us, including myself, to get a clear understanding of what God wants us to do with what He has given us. Let's start. What scriptures do you have to share about you being right?
Before you post the verse from Malachi understand
When you study your Bible, you must find out to whom God is speaking and what God is speaking about.
When you Study Malachi note
God is speaking here to Jewish people in regard to a literal storehouse, a warehouse into which Israel brought tithes of food for the use of the priests and Levites.
Notice what God says, "Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation."
what nation? Jewish nation.
Ephesians 1:3 tells us that we are blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ
In Christ Not in tithing
See we don't bargain with God, the gift of salvation is free to those
who believe. No man enter unto the Father except through Jesus
how can anyone take this passage of Scripture in Malachi and apply it to the church?
The Jews were told to "bring all their tithes into the storehouse." And the storehouse adjoined the temple at Jerusalem where the Jews brought their field produce and flocks. There is no storehouse in this dispensation of grace. There is no tribe of Levi today to receive tithes. The temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD when Titus and his Roman Army came into Jerusalem and scattered the Jews to the four corners of the earth.
Oh and what about those other Old Testament Laws most preachers are silent about? Doesn't it seem strange they never try to
apply them to todays church, maybe it's no profit in attempting that with those?
Following your lead. As you stated the bible requires tithing, please provide me reproof and correction by the scriptures. Two witnesses please.
Genesis 28:22
Genesis 28:22
So you're trying to say what Jacob did, is what we the church should do today?
Ok let's look at what Jacob did.
This event records the other pre-Mosaic Law mention of tithing.
this is definitely not a spoils-of-war-tithe as in Genesis 14
Jacob, was not responding to a command from God to tithe to a particular ministry of holy service. The formal law was yet centuries in the future
Jacob promised to give God a tenth of all his possessions.
However, Jacob’s promised tithe was conditional
God must first bless him and then bring him back to Isaac’s house in peace. Jacob set the conditions, not God. Jacob made a vow to tithe; God did not ask for it.
if any commandment to tithe had been involved, there would have been no room for bargaining.
Therefore what does what Jacob did, have to do with
The church today?
How did he give 10th to God?
Did he keep doing it?
Jacob is a bad man to be bargaining with God like that,
I'd be too afraid and surely wouldn't use him as a blueprint
especially when I read why Jesus was sent?
Did your pastor just give you that one verse by itself
without the other verses in that chapter, so you would have an understanding
of what's going on?
That's like only hearing half a conversation, and making assumptions.
Again, Your SPIRITUAL Connect with God is More important that your Religion.....
So you're trying to say what Jacob did, is what we the church should do today?
Ok let's look at what Jacob did.
This event records the other pre-Mosaic Law mention of tithing.
this is definitely not a spoils-of-war-tithe as in Genesis 14
Jacob, was not responding to a command from God to tithe to a particular ministry of holy service. The formal law was yet centuries in the future
Jacob promised to give God a tenth of all his possessions.
However, Jacob’s promised tithe was conditional
God must first bless him and then bring him back to Isaac’s house in peace. Jacob set the conditions, not God. Jacob made a vow to tithe; God did not ask for it.
if any commandment to tithe had been involved, there would have been no room for bargaining.
Therefore what does what Jacob did, have to do with
The church today?
How did he give 10th to God?
Did he keep doing it?
Jacob is a bad man to be bargaining with God like that,
I'd be too afraid and surely wouldn't use him as a blueprint
especially when I read why Jesus was sent?
Did your pastor just give you that one verse by itself
without the other verses in that chapter, so you would have an understanding
of what's going on?
That's like only hearing half a conversation, and making assumptions.
How does the house of God that Jacob dream about in Genesis equate to A building we call a church.
This house of God was a place Jacob took stones to lay on and go to sleep.. He had a dream a ladder in this place went up to Heaven where God spoke to him.
When he woke he was convinced where he lay was the house of God.
How do this equate to a Church?
But didn't GOD do what HE said that he would for Jacob? Yes!!!!! And Jacob had to own up to what he said that he'd do. Just looking at the result of what Jacob was trying to I guess make GOD do something. He's GOD!!!!! Nuff said. That was just 1 example. I understand who Jacob is, but you missed the concept of what he did at that time. Money was not as important then as it is now!!!! You know that!!!!! Half hearing? You missed the accountability factor that I mentioned that "WE" as the Church should maintain when giving our tithes...... We use every reason not to support the Church, but we can't stand up and be the Church that God called us to be!!!!!
So you're trying to say what Jacob did, is what we the church should do today?
Ok let's look at what Jacob did.
This event records the other pre-Mosaic Law mention of tithing.
this is definitely not a spoils-of-war-tithe as in Genesis 14
Jacob, was not responding to a command from God to tithe to a particular ministry of holy service. The formal law was yet centuries in the future
Jacob promised to give God a tenth of all his possessions.
However, Jacob’s promised tithe was conditional
God must first bless him and then bring him back to Isaac’s house in peace. Jacob set the conditions, not God. Jacob made a vow to tithe; God did not ask for it.
if any commandment to tithe had been involved, there would have been no room for bargaining.
Therefore what does what Jacob did, have to do with
The church today?
How did he give 10th to God?
Did he keep doing it?
Jacob is a bad man to be bargaining with God like that,
I'd be too afraid and surely wouldn't use him as a blueprint
especially when I read why Jesus was sent?
Did your pastor just give you that one verse by itself
without the other verses in that chapter, so you would have an understanding
of what's going on?
That's like only hearing half a conversation, and making assumptions.
Gotta a question. Since everything belongs to God, what do you think would be acceptable to give to God monetarily and where should the funds go towards?
The sick, poor, fatherless children and widows.
Black people really do need to rise up against these pimps...
They are the ones HURTING our poor black people...
These MEGA Church's are nothing more than cash cows for con artist.
Insyead at these mega churches it's these same people tithing to these pimps..
Chapter 3 ver7
For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth; for he is the messenger of HaShem of hosts.
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But ye are turned aside out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble in the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith HaShem of hosts.
9
Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept My ways, but have had respect of persons in the law.
10
Have we not all one father? Hath not one G-d created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Chapter 3, ver 5
And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers; and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith HaShem of hosts.
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Will a man rob G-d? Yet ye rob Me. But ye say: 'Wherein have we robbed Thee?' In tithes and heave-offerings.
9
Ye are cursed with the curse, yet ye rob Me, even this whole nation.
10
Bring ye the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in My house, and try Me now herewith, saith HaShem of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall be more than sufficiency.
11
And I will rebuke the devourer for your good, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your land; neither shall your vine cast its fruit before the time in the field, saith HaShem of hosts.
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And all nations shall call you happy; for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith HaShem of hosts.