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Da_Sperm said:I have to agree with you on that on DT. I don't think I would have given up a 4th round pick for an over the hill QB who has seen his best days and is a couple snaps from his next injury.
This is a "What have you done for me lately" business and not unless you are Brett Farve (where the entire community loves your stank underwear), then the front office can treat you however they want.
That is the main reason I love it when a player in his prime just up and decides he wants MORE MONEY for no apparent reason. The team don't live out their contract, neither should the player.
Da_Sperm said:I have to agree with you on that on DT. I don't think I would have given up a 4th round pick for an over the hill QB who has seen his best days and is a couple snaps from his next injury.
This is a "What have you done for me lately" business and not unless you are Brett Farve (where the entire community loves your stank underwear), then the front office can treat you however they want.
That is the main reason I love it when a player in his prime just up and decides he wants MORE MONEY for no apparent reason. The team don't live out their contract, neither should the player.
Dr. Mac said:... I agree on getting your money up front, but even with that, the Titans still treated him disrespectfully.
McNair will do fine in Baltimore. He had a lot of football left in him.
Regards.
dacontinent said:The Titans did McNair a favor by letting him negotiate a deal with another team while the Titans still owned his rights and had to option of matching any offer made.
You will not get the money up front after the third contract - around nine years in the league. 99% of the players in the NFL are way past their prime at that point and it doesn't make good business sense for the team to do that. He could have taken the money up front, but he would have had to sign a much longer contract so the up front money could have been spread out over a larger time frame. He refused to do that with the previous contract. No disrespect by the Titans; just where he was in his career. The players and their agents know that going in. McNair knew exactly what he was doing when he signed the contract and understood its structure.
Dr. Mac said:The Titans wanted McNair gone, so the "favor" was mutual benefit. They didn't do it just for him. The disrespect was in how they treated him at the end, i.e., not letting him train, and after the ruling, still requiring him to get a physical before commencing.
McNair restructured his contract for the Titans benefit to give them cap room to sign picks. That's the upfront I'm referring to. As far as I know, he was still under that contract. He didn't have to restructure and back-weigh his money; he already had a contract that would pay it that he could have kept. Further, many have negotiated contracts that gave them more money up front, even in their first contracts. But this was not his first. With respect to the new contract negotiations, the Titians could trade him, like they did, or exercise any number of options, including releasing him, if they didn't want him (of course, they wouldn't do that). As I understood it, the money he was owed and being jerked around on was from the existing contract.
I think a person who did the kinds of things that he for an organization should be treated better than the Titans treated him. Its a business, however, sometimes actions taken come back to bite you later. Other players in a similar situation (salary negotiations and renegotiations) seeing this action now might not be so accommendating next time.
Regards.
Croft84 said:I know McNair is not mad at now. The Raven I think gave him a signing bonus of 11 mil. I know this time he want do no restructuring of contract this time. I think he got a pretty good deal now.
Dr. Mac said:I don't think McNair is over the hill, moreso, the problem was he had no supporting cast. Add that to the Titans draft picks (prior to this year's draft), his support was dismal (Packman Jones in the first round????????). I agree on getting your money up front, but even with that, the Titans still treated him disrespectfully.
McNair will do fine in Baltimore. He had a lot of football left in him.
Regards.
I do agree with you about them not allowing him to rehab, but I think that still did him a favor in that it let everybody know that they wanted him out the door. I also agree with you that it makes a strong statement to others and might come back to bite them in the future. The rest of the stuff is BAU and just part of the owners dominant position in NFL contracts. No, it does not make their actions right, but it was not new or unique to Steve McNair.Dr. Mac said:The Titans wanted McNair gone, so the "favor" was mutual benefit. They didn't do it just for him. The disrespect was in how they treated him at the end, i.e., not letting him train, and after the ruling, still requiring him to get a physical before commencing.
McNair restructured his contract for the Titans benefit to give them cap room to sign picks. That's the upfront I'm referring to. As far as I know, he was still under that contract. He didn't have to restructure and back-weigh his money; he already had a contract that would pay it that he could have kept. Further, many have negotiated contracts that gave them more money up front, even in their first contracts. But this was not his first. With respect to the new contract negotiations, the Titians could trade him, like they did, or exercise any number of options, including releasing him, if they didn't want him (of course, they wouldn't do that). As I understood it, the money he was owed and being jerked around on was from the existing contract.
I think a person who did the kinds of things that he for an organization should be treated better than the Titans treated him. Its a business, however, sometimes actions taken come back to bite you later. Other players in a similar situation (salary negotiations and renegotiations) seeing this action now might not be so accommendating next time.
Regards.