Why????

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

As I sat and watched the game in Starkville last night, it just once again amazed me what I saw. I KNOW James Green is a good coach, and I KNOW he goes over these things with the team. I just want to know why is it that we can play a team from a big conference and just look like we've never seen a basketball before? This has NOTHING to do with talent. I'm talking about consistently throwing the ball away without pressure, setting good picks, not recognizing double teams, not blocking out, not stopping the ball and letting a player drive the lane uncontested, and not getting up on your man if u playing man. I saw a Valley team last night that could have given Mississippi St. a better game, if not win, if they would have done the basics. It just frustrates me to lose because of a multitude of little things adding up.

 

[bluedog]

Ah........ it's call being nervous

 

[staggalee83]

It's called having damm near the top 3 or 4 BBall players in Mississippi plus others every year.:lol:
That's what happened to Valley which didn't turn out so bad considering the above statement. :lol:

And to think.............Outlaw, Bender, and Ellis never set foot on Miss. St. campus because they went straight to the pro's.

Charles Rhodes from Lanier....................I knew he was gonna be a problem for Valley.
Man among boy's.

 

[northern tiger]

Man, I hate to say it, but I think it's that SWAC "I'm happy to be here mentallity(sp)". If a team plays "it's game", they may still loose but in a more dignified manner where they can say that you did all we could. But turnovers galore and poor execution are the norm. Every once in a while we may show up, but it's not as often as it should. As a conference we need to perceive ourselves on the same level as mid-majors at the least rather than two steps below. I was so glad that su beat GT in '93 when we got that 12th or 13th seed (we know that's because they thought that JSU was a shoe-in for conference tournament. su owes Lindsey Hunter a spot in their hall of fame) that when focused with the best team in the SWAC we could truly compete in the tournament. And I still can't believe that Hamptown beat ISU. Our conference doesn't build on it's success. They live with it as a momment.

 

[AUNTIE]

Overall, the guys did a good job this year. Thanks to all of them and Coach Green.

 

[northern tiger]

Ah........ it's call being nervous

Lindsey wasn't nervous when they went to UConn. We need a d@m injection of "self esteem". When you're confident, your games goes to another level. Southern Illinois @ Carbondale is a mid-major and got a 4th seed. It's called progression. If U of I could win their first round game and meet up with SIU, man, I can't even think about if the Salukis win. Back to us, folks on this board talk like we are div III or something. :smh:

 

[Blacknbengal]

What was the final score?

 

[pbla]

Ah........ it's call being nervous

That's it.

 

[HBCUs]

Our conference doesn't build on it's success. They live with it as a momment.

You hit the nail on the head. We never raise our level once we DO have some postseason success. The SWAC probably peaked in this department between '93 and '95 with great tourney efforts from SU, JSU, and TSU.

Do we have high turnover from year to year? It seems that SWAC squads are constantly in rebuilding/re-gelling mode.

Our overall lack of quality front court players also kills us. If our guards aren't awesome on a given night, we don't stand a chance.

 

[the band fan]

The SWAC is an average league.....MVSU was a few games away from not winning the tournament also.....they had the best bigs but those bigs are average because they aren't an offensive threat.

If Green was at Valley when they could recruit the real talent from Mississippi in the 80s no telling what happens but now? Ain't no big-time recruit going to play in Itta Bena....

Green has to rebuild now since his JUCOs and Stribling's talent are gone...Speech can be a scorer but Green's offense limits his touches.

 

[blownup]

I think it might have a great deal to do with our pre-season non-conference schedule. We are beat up mercifully doing the pre-season and our psyche in my opinion is tremendously damaged because we expect to lose. I don't believe we lack fundamentals- I believe that as a result of these thrashings we put our fundamentals on the back burner trying to play catch-up in a no win situation. Now I will say at least one or two pre-season games have been competitive and in some instances we have been victorious.

 

[JayRob]

I think it might have a great deal to do with our pre-season non-conference schedule. We are beat up mercifully doing the pre-season and our psyche in my opinion is tremendously damaged because we expect to lose. I don't believe we lack fundamentals- I believe that as a result of these thrashings we put our fundamentals on the back burner trying to play catch-up in a no win situation. Now I will say at least one or two pre-season games have been competitive and in some instances we have been victorious.

We also usually play these teams on THEIR home court. It's one thing for the larger conferences to have better talent, but it's another thing to have to always play them on their home court, except in the NCAA tournament.
Valley would have fared much better if they would've played them on Valley's home court.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

Valley had 26 turnovers against JSU, so why would anyone expect that to change against Mississippi State. They actually only had 17 turnovers against Mississippi State.

 

[major095]

I think it might have a great deal to do with our pre-season non-conference schedule. We are beat up mercifully doing the pre-season and our psyche in my opinion is tremendously damaged because we expect to lose. I don't believe we lack fundamentals- I believe that as a result of these thrashings we put our fundamentals on the back burner trying to play catch-up in a no win situation. Now I will say at least one or two pre-season games have been competitive and in some instances we have been victorious.

We also usually play these teams on THEIR home court. It's one thing for the larger conferences to have better talent, but it's another thing to have to always play them on their home court, except in the NCAA tournament.
Valley would have fared much better if they would've played them on Valley's home court.

both of these things are true. our teams, b/c of the road schedules they play, rarely have a chance to compete before conference play. so their confidence is shot before november is over. after that almost anytime they play someone from ooc it's same song, 2nd verse. at that point it doesn't even matter who their playing almost.

when we schedule home contest they're against DII teams that don't help our rpi at all. it's like we didn't even play the game to the selection committe. I believe there are some pretty good coaches in this conference, but b/c we use half the basketball season to pay bills instead of building the program, building confidence, building a resume and a case to get something other than a 16 seed u can't tell. I mean, jsu is better than a 16 seed and it's not their fault b/c they handled their schedule pretty well...this season. but the rest of the conference, that played the same type of scdule w/o trey johnson dragged jsu down to the depths of the ncaa tourney. everyone in the conference has got to stop prostituting themselves or the conferece will continue to have no rep and get duke or kansas right out of the gate. and it's not that we won't have to beat them to win a championship anyway, but can a brotha warm up against a middle of the pack team.

 

[UAPB '97]

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Can't beat teams from the BIG conferences on THEIR home court in Nov/Dec, can't get teams from the mid-major conferences to play on OUR court.

 

[FAB5]

everyone in the conference has got to stop prostituting themselves or the conferece will continue to have no rep and get duke or kansas right out of the gate. and it's not that we won't have to beat them to win a championship anyway, but can a brotha warm up against a middle of the pack team.

:tup:

 

[Devilsh1]

Valley had 26 turnovers against JSU, so why would anyone expect that to change against Mississippi State. They actually only had 17 turnovers against Mississippi State.

SO what do you mean....JSU isn't team to be scared of they have nobody but Trey Johnson.

 

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

The SWAC is an average league.....MVSU was a few games away from not winning the tournament also.....they had the best bigs but those bigs are average because they aren't an offensive threat.

If Green was at Valley when they could recruit the real talent from Mississippi in the 80s no telling what happens but now? Ain't no big-time recruit going to play in Itta Bena....

Green has to rebuild now since his JUCOs and Stribling's talent are gone... Speech can be a scorer but Green's offense limits his touches.

A lie! Speech can be a scorer if Speech wanted to be a scorer, but he doesn't have the killer instinct to want to rip somebody's heart out. I watched him this year pass up open shots and routinely play passively. That is one reason why Green started bringing him off the bench. If you know you are an offensively challenged team, y wouldn't u be more aggressive if u are the team's best player???


P.S. If Green had the talent Strib had, it would have been 4:30 for the SWAC

 

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

Valley had 26 turnovers against JSU, so why would anyone expect that to change against Mississippi State. They actually only had 17 turnovers against Mississippi State.

because they play two totally different styles of defense. Anybody who knows anything bout Mississippi State knows that they RARELY TRAP. JSU trapped for alot of that SWAC Championship game.

 

[Mr. Tiger]

SO what do you mean....JSU isn't team to be scared of they have nobody but Trey Johnson.

No. What I'm saying is Valley had 26 turnovers in a neutral site game against a SWAC team, so why is it a shock that they turned the ball over 17 times in a road game against an SEC opponent.

 

[PV-PRIDE]

P.S. If Green had the talent Strib had, it would have been 4:30 for the SWAC

I doubt Green will ever get the kind of talent Strib had because of his style of play. Kids want to go play Strib's up-tempo style of game. Strib has "Two"
7 footers on his Tougaloo team right now. ( A NAIA school with Two 7-footers......) Below is an excerpt from a recent article on Tougaloo..

http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070314/SPORTS030105/703140335/1085/SPORTS

Tougaloo College, enjoying one of the best seasons in its men's basketball history, plays Crichton College of Memphis today in the first round of the NAIA Division I tournament at Kansas City, Mo.

It's the first time the Bulldogs have advanced to nationals.

Tipoff time is set for 2:15 p.m. The 32-team event continues through March 20.

Tougaloo, under second-year coach Lafayette Stribling, is 17-12. The Bulldogs won a share of the Gulf Coast Athletic Conference regular season championship and reached the semifinals of the league tournament. All-GCAC picks Darius Simmons (24.4 points per game) and Kevin McCoy (17.7 ppg) are the team's top scorers.

"These kids are very excited to represent this university for the first time at the national tournament," Stribling said. "We've got some guys that can score so I think we'll present some matchup problems."

 

[the band fan]

Speech lit Grambling up..if Green's offense wasn't so slow Speech could be a scorer night in and night out...Strib's style was appealing but now he can recruit without hardly any restrictions...he'll have some talent over there

Strib had so much talent at one time he didn't sign Greg Burks after he visited the campus and released Blannon Campbell......

who are they?

the starting backcourt on the 2003 PV Championship Team

 

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

Speech lit Grambling up..if Green's offense wasn't so slow Speech could be a scorer night in and night out...Strib's style was appealing but now he can recruit without hardly any restrictions...he'll have some talent over there

bruh, this just drives my point home even further. All i'm saying is Speech doesn't have the killer instinct right now to be a star and consistent scorer. Green has run THE SAME OFFENSE all year. You cite ONE GAME in which he LIT UP grambling. I look at that and say that shows me a kid that is inconsistent. He is among the team leaders in minutes played, and with the volume of 3's we jack up, he gets ample time to touch the ball, so don't give me that Green offense crap. If folks hit shots, even old school Princeton's backdoor cutting offense will put points on the board.

 

[the band fan]

who said Green didn't relax his offense to keep up with GSU's run late in the game?

I watched Valley at the Tournament....their style allows teams to hang with them because it's based on shot selection and rebounding. If Alabama State could shoot they would've beaten MVSU with ease.

Those bigs are gone now at MVSU so Green may have to alter his offense up again. Monarch, the first white player at MVSU, I think is gone from Panola also so that pipeline has closed which sent some kids to Valley the past two years.

 

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

who said Green didn't relax his offense to keep up with GSU's run late in the game?

I think i've seen more Valley games than u have. We still shoot alot of 3's in general. If u go look at all of our shooting percentages you will see that we aren't that great of a shooting team. I don't care if u're running Mike D'Antoni's freewheeling offense, if u can't put the ball in the hole, u aren't gonna put up any points.



P.S. if u watched that TxSU game u would have also saw that we didn't shoot worth a damn either. U talk about our "bigs" like they were a factor. Ronald Alexander is terrible, and Jeffery Price was one of the better low post players we've had in a minute, but they never fed him the ball on a regular basis.