Why Is Judas Isacriot Considered To Be Evil?

[JayRob]

Wasn't he simply following orders given to him by the biblical god? If it wasn't for Judas being used as a tool by the biblical god, Jesus never would've been offered up for death. The Christian world would have no savior and no religion.

In saying all of this, one would think that Judas should be looked at as a hero instead of an evil person. If not for him being used as an instrument by the biblical god to bring forth his biblical prophecies, there'd be no death, no burial and no resurrection story and there would certainly be no redemption for Christians.

 

[Tony]

I've heard some white people say, black people should thank the slave traders
because without them you would not be in America

 

[JayRob]

I've heard some white people say, black people should thank the slave traders
because without them you would not be in America

Actually, Black folks were getting along in Africa quite nicely before the Europeans arrived, so your theory has no bearing on the Judas issue.
Without Judas, who would the biblical god have used to fulfill his will?

 

[Tony]

Actually, Black folks were getting along in Africa quite nicely before the Europeans arrived, so your theory has no bearing on the Judas issue.
Without Judas, who would the biblical god have used to fulfill his will?

"getting alone quite nicely"?

I don't think so, do you know the numbers of wars that were being waged @ the time of
European arrival?


Most slaves were prisoners of war sold to slave traders by other Africans.

Go read about how our people got to Goree Island, "the door of no return"

certain groups of Africans were not getting along nicely, they were catching hell on earth

did you watch Shaka Zulu?

let's not even talk about the French occupation..pure hell

this is why some say slave traders did us a favor

similar to those who think Judas did Christians a favor

 

[dacontinent]

Actually, Black folks were getting along in Africa quite nicely before the Europeans arrived, so your theory has no bearing on the Judas issue.
Without Judas, who would the biblical god have used to fulfill his will?

Someone with a different name.

By the way...who is it that considers Judas Iscariot evil?

Better yet ... why do YOU THINK he is considered evil?

 

[JayRob]

"getting alone quite nicely"?

I don't think so, do you know the numbers of wars that were being waged @ the time of
European arrival?


Most slaves were prisoners of war sold to slave traders by other Africans.

Go read about how our people got to Goree Island, "the door of no return"

certain groups of Africans were not getting along nicely, they were catching hell on earth

did you watch Shaka Zulu?

let's not even talk about the French occupation..pure hell

this is why some say slave traders did us a favor

similar to those who think Judas did Christians a favor

There was slavery in all parts of the world, but there was nothing like the slavery brought on by the Europeans. Even Arab slave traders weren't as ruthless and downright evil than the Europeans. Black Africans simply F'd up when they allowed Europeans in.

The Shaka Zulu movie was a brief history about what happened when the Europeans arrived on the continent. There weren't nearly as much chaos and war on the African continent until Europeans came on the scene and pitted tribe against tribe.

 

[JayRob]

Someone with a different name.

How do you know this?

So by default, you admit that Judas is a hero.

By the way...who is it that considers Judas Iscariot evil?

Christians who wrote the bible do. Didn't it say in the bible that it would be better if he wasn't born? That's dumb because if he was never born, there wouldn't have been a crucifixion story nor a resurrection story.

Better yet ... why do YOU THINK he is considered evil?

I never said he was evil. One would be hardpressed to find evidence that he even existed.

 

[dacontinent]

These might be of help in your deliberation.

Matt 26:14-16
14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.

Matt 26:20-25
20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25 Then Judas , which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

Matt 26:45-50
45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
46 Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas , one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

Matt 27:1-5
1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
3 Then Judas , which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

John 12:4-6
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:1-2
13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

John 13:27-30
27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

 

[Tony]

Jesus called Judas FRIEND.

 

[mazjag]

Wasn't he simply following orders given to him by the biblical god? If it wasn't for Judas being used as a tool by the biblical god, Jesus never would've been offered up for death. The Christian world would have no savior and no religion.

In saying all of this, one would think that Judas should be looked at as a hero instead of an evil person. If not for him being used as an instrument by the biblical god to bring forth his biblical prophecies, there'd be no death, no burial and no resurrection story and there would certainly be no redemption for Christians.

That's like blaming the guy who rings the chicken's neck to give you chicken dinner.

 

[mazjag]

Jesus called Judas FRIEND.

rather a friend than an enemy.

 

[JagHammer]

I'm about to read the Gospel of Thomas.

 

[dacontinent]

How do you know this?

I believe what the Bible says. Psalm 41:9 & Zechariah 11:12-13 describe the acts of the betrayer. If Judas Iscariot had never been born, then the role would have been taken on by someone with a different name.

So by default, you admit that Judas is a hero.

Nah. The Bible says that he was a thief who conspired in the murder of Jesus, with the act of betrayal coming after he surrendered his will to the devil. That is not the description of a hero.

Christians who wrote the bible do. Didn't it say in the bible that it would be better if he wasn't born? That's dumb because if he was never born, there wouldn't have been a crucifixion story nor a resurrection story.

That is not what the Bible says. Go back and read Matthew 26:21 and Mark 14:21. Allow your eyes to be drawn to the words ... never mind. Here it is:
Matt 26:24

24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born .

Mark 14:21

21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born .

I never said he was evil. One would be hardpressed to find evidence that he even existed.

Slow down, big fella. In your initiation of this thread, you presume that someone considers Judas Iscariot to have been evil. With that presumption in mind, I have concluded that you have heard and/or read someone's consideration of Judas Iscariot as evil. My question is a request of you to share some examples of those considerations of those someone's in this thread.

 

[Dr H..]

Judas, be good or bad. He was not whe people think of him. He was just fulfilling OT scripture.

 

[JayRob]

I believe what the Bible says. Psalm 41:9 & Zechariah 11:12-13 describe the acts of the betrayer. If Judas Iscariot had never been born, then the role would have been taken on by someone with a different name.

How do you know that someone else would've been used? Where does it say this in scripture? Fact of the matter is that Judas was setup from birth to do just what he did.
If there ever was a Judas in real life, shouldn't he be celebrated for carrying out what he was put here to do? Instead, the bible says he should've never been born. That makes no sense at all.

Nah. The Bible says that he was a thief who conspired in the murder of Jesus, with the act of betrayal coming after he surrendered his will to the devil. That is not the description of a hero.

Every disciple had his own sins to overcome. Didn't Peter cut off the ear of a man. That's close to being a murderer. Didn't all of the disciples abandon Jesus in his time of need and deny who he was? Yes, they did.
Why condemn Judas for being a thief and traitor when in actuality, the rest of the disciples ran for their lives too, leaving Jesus to fend for himself?

Judas carried out what was perhaps the most important act in the history of the bible in giving Jesus over to the Jews. If there was no death, there would've been no resurrection. If there was no resurrection, there'd be no chance of salvation for Christians.
Judas served his purpose and served it well. In actuality, he in a sense sacrificed HIS life for the betterment of Christians eventhough he did it in an unusual way.
He was raised for this purpose just like the Egyptian Pharoah was raised for the purpose he was raised for and he fulfilled it to the very end.

That is not what the Bible says. Go back and read Matthew 26:21 and Mark 14:21. Allow your eyes to be drawn to the words ... never mind. Here it is:
Matt 26:24. The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born .
Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

The bible says a lot of things that are confusing and contradictory. How can Judas be condemned for carrying out an act that he was raised up for? That's blaming the victim.
Didn't Jesus know WHO would be his betrayer BEFORE it happened? Yes, he did. Why didn't Jesus do all he could to stop this from occurring? It seems to me that he did nothing to stop or prevent Judas from carrying out the plan he was raised for. In fact, the Jesus figure was aiding and abetting Judas in carrying out his plan because he told him, "what though doest, do it quickly". This is an encouragement to Judas to go ahead and carry out the plan. He never told him to NOT do it. He never told the other disciples so they could've stopped Judas from carrying out his plan.
This alone proves that Jesus was complicit in his own betrayal. He in fact encouraged it.

This is the same nonsensical example from the Old Testament that blamed the Egyptian Pharoah for doing what he did eventhough the bible admits that Pharoah was intentionally blinded by the biblical god and basically FORCED to have his heart hardened so he couldn't repent. This is another example of blaming the victim and totally unjust.

Slow down, big fella. In your initiation of this thread, you presume that someone considers Judas Iscariot to have been evil. With that presumption in mind, I have concluded that you have heard and/or read someone's consideration of Judas Iscariot as evil. My question is a request of you to share some examples of those considerations of those someone's in this thread.

If Judas wasn't considered evil by the biblical writers, why was it stated in Matthew 26:24 that it would've been better if he hadn't been born? This biblical statement alone leads one to believe that whomever wrote thought what Judas did was evil.

 

[JayRob]

Judas, be good or bad. He was not whe people think of him. He was just fulfilling OT scripture.

Who was he then? The bible seems to condemn his harshly for what he did under demonic inspiration.

 

[JayRob]

Jesus called Judas FRIEND.

But didn't he also inspire in the book of John that "it would've been better if Judas had never been born?" That's like condemning him to an eternal hell fire.

 

[dacontinent]

How do you know that someone else would've been used? Where does it say this in scripture? Fact of the matter is that Judas was setup from birth to do just what he did.
If there ever was a Judas in real life, shouldn't he be celebrated for carrying out what he was put here to do? Instead, the bible says he should've never been born. That makes no sense at all.

We know that because of what He said in scripture hundreds of years before. That is why I gave you the references in my previous post.

Every disciple had his own sins to overcome. Didn't Peter cut off the ear of a man. That's close to being a murderer. Didn't all of the disciples abandon Jesus in his time of need and deny who he was? Yes, they did.
Why condemn Judas for being a thief and traitor when in actuality, the rest of the disciples ran for their lives too, leaving Jesus to fend for himself?

For all of the reasons that you just mentioned relative to the other disciples, being a thief and a traitor is not the problem with Judas. The problem is with what Judas DID NOT do. Read on.

Judas carried out what was perhaps the most important act in the history of the bible in giving Jesus over to the Jews. If there was no death, there would've been no resurrection. If there was no resurrection, there'd be no chance of salvation for Christians.
Judas served his purpose and served it well. In actuality, he in a sense sacrificed HIS life for the betterment of Christians eventhough he did it in an unusual way.
He was raised for this purpose just like the Egyptian Pharoah was raised for the purpose he was raised for and he fulfilled it to the very end.

The most important acts in the history of the Bible are Christ dying on the cross and Him rising from the grave. Label them 1 & 1A of those things which have occurred.

In no sense at all did Judas sacrifice his life for the betterment of Christians. He made a choice in the betrayal and he made a choice to TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. I do find the comparison to Pharoah to be quite sound. I think that the trouble with your argument here is that you seem to want to make Judas responsible for Jesus' death. That is clearly unscriptural. Jesus is responsible for His own death.

The bible says a lot of things that are confusing and contradictory. How can Judas be condemned for carrying out an act that he was raised up for? That's blaming the victim.
Didn't Jesus know WHO would be his betrayer BEFORE it happened? Yes, he did. Why didn't Jesus do all he could to stop this from occurring? It seems to me that he did nothing to stop or prevent Judas from carrying out the plan he was raised for. In fact, the Jesus figure was aiding and abetting Judas in carrying out his plan because he told him, "what though doest, do it quickly". This is an encouragement to Judas to go ahead and carry out the plan. He never told him to NOT do it. He never told the other disciples so they could've stopped Judas from carrying out his plan.
This alone proves that Jesus was complicit in his own betrayal. He in fact encouraged it.

First of all, please share with us what you find confusing or contradictory about those verses.

Next, as you pointed out earlier, all of the disciples denied Jesus in some way. So, even after Judas committed the betrayal had he but turned to Jesus for forgiveness He would have been restored and the perception would be completely different. Alas, that is not what happened.

Jesus was absolutely complicit in His betrayal; the person being betrayed always is. Jesus knew what He had come for, who would betray Him, what time it was, and that the scriptures must be fulfilled.

This is the same nonsensical example from the Old Testament that blamed the Egyptian Pharoah for doing what he did eventhough the bible admits that Pharoah was intentionally blinded by the biblical god and basically FORCED to have his heart hardened so he couldn't repent. This is another example of blaming the victim and totally unjust.

Judas made his own choices.

Judas wasn't considered evil by the biblical writers, why was it stated in Matthew 26:24 that it would've been better if he hadn't been born? This biblical statement alone leads one to believe that whomever wrote thought what Judas did was evil.

It was stated by Christ and recorded the same by both writers. The statement leads one to believe that Jesus said it, the writers took dictation, it was significant enough to them for both of them to remember it almost EXACTLY the same, and that he knew what the end of Judas would be. Might they have thought Judas to be evil in retrospect? That seems very likely. However, that knowledge does not show up in these verses.

 

[dacontinent]

But didn't he also inspire in the book of John that "it would've been better if Judas had never been born?" That's like condemning him to an eternal hell fire.

Nope. This is the reference in John.

John 17:12

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition ; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[JayRob]

We know that because of what He said in scripture hundreds of years before. That is why I gave you the references in my previous post.

Where and what was the prophecy about Judas hundreds of years before?

For all of the reasons that you just mentioned relative to the other disciples, being a thief and a traitor is not the problem with Judas. The problem is with what Judas DID NOT do. Read on.

What did Judas NOT DO that he should've done?

The most important acts in the history of the Bible are Christ dying on the cross and Him rising from the grave. Label them 1 & 1A of those things which have occurred.

The alleged death and resurrection of Jesus couldn't have happened if Judas didn't do what he was supposed to do.

In no sense at all did Judas sacrifice his life for the betterment of Christians. He made a choice in the betrayal and he made a choice to TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. I do find the comparison to Pharoah to be quite sound. I think that the trouble with your argument here is that you seem to want to make Judas responsible for Jesus' death. That is clearly unscriptural. Jesus is responsible for His own death.

Why does the bible then say that it would've been better if Judas had never been born if it's not blaming him for Jesus' alleged death? The biblical writers are clearly blaming Judas for something. If they're not blaming him for Jesus' alleged death, then what are they blaming him for?

First of all, please share with us what you find confusing or contradictory about those verses.

I was speaking in general terms, but since you mentioned it, didn't Jesus encourage Judas to do quickly what he had to do? Yes he did. Later on, the biblical writers have the nerve to condemn him for carrying out what he was encouraged to carry out....by Jesus. That's confusing and contradictory. Why would Jesus ask him to carry out the plan, then condemn him for it? Now THAT makes no sense whatsoever but I'm sure you'll try and make it make sense.

Next, as you pointed out earlier, all of the disciples denied Jesus in some way. So, even after Judas committed the betrayal had he but turned to Jesus for forgiveness He would have been restored and the perception would be completely different. Alas, that is not what happened.

How do you know this? That's it, you don't. You're just speculating. The bible clearly condemned Judas by saying that it would've been better if he had never been born.
By taking his own life, Judas in a sense felt sorry for what he had done, but he didn't realize that he was merely a tool in the hand of an unjust god who used him, then threw him away by condemning him to not have been born.
He did the same thing with the Egyptian Pharoah, something that was totally wicked, unjust and downright evil, as you've indirectly admitted.

Jesus was absolutely complicit in His betrayal; the person being betrayed always is. Jesus knew what He had come for, who would betray Him, what time it was, and that the scriptures must be fulfilled.

So you're saying that Jesus played along in this game? You're right, he did. Judas was merely a pawn being used. Judas didn't know that he was being used as a pawn, but the Jesus character did know. If he wanted to save Judas, he could've saved him from doing what he did but he didn't. He not only encouraged Judas to follow through with being a pawn, he condemned him for doing it, and this after he had given his own life in a sort of repentance.
Judas was much of a victim than anyone else in this fictional game and story.

Judas made his own choices.

Judas was used as a pawn by a supposed all-knowing god who could've stopped him from doing what he did. Instead of stopping Judas, he encouraged him to carry out the plan to the very end.
It's truly astonishing that you refuse to admit that what happened to Judas was unjust, evil, wicked and deceitful.
Jesus, who was the supposed god of the Old Testament, supposedly knew hundreds of years in advance that Judas would be the scapegoat, yet he did nothing to warn Judas of his impending doom. Now how "loving" is that? It's obvious that the Jesus character didn't have enough love to warn Judas about what was to happen to him just as he didn't have enough love and compassion towards the Egyptian Pharoah to warn him of the fact that his mind would be hardened so that he COULDN'T repent and let the Israelites go even if he wanted to. Now how evil and deceitful was that? VERY!!

It was stated by Christ and recorded the same by both writers. The statement leads one to believe that Jesus said it, the writers took dictation, it was significant enough to them for both of them to remember it almost EXACTLY the same, and that he knew what the end of Judas would be. Might they have thought Judas to be evil in retrospect? That seems very likely. However, that knowledge does not show up in these verses.

Come on Dacon, you can't wiggle your way out of this one. If the Jesus character inspired the bible, then the writers had to know that Judas was considered to be evil, especially if Jesus told them that it would've been better if he had never been born.
Jesus simply used Judas as a tool, then threw him to the dogs. It's as simple as that. That's not very loving at all no matter how one tries to justify it.

 

[JayRob]

Nope. This is the reference in John.

John 17:12

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition ; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Whether it's John, Mark, Luke or Matthew, Judas still got the short end of the stick. He fulfilled his part and what did he get in return for being a willing participant just to fulfill a prophecy? He got bamboozled, that's what he got.

 

[dacontinent]

Whether it's John, Mark, Luke or Matthew, Judas still got the short end of the stick. He fulfilled his part and what did he get in return for being a willing participant just to fulfill a prophecy? He got bamboozled, that's what he got.

Bamboozled? All he had to do was ask for forgiveness.

 

[dacontinent]

Where and what was the prophecy about Judas hundreds of years before?

Here is another RE-POST (you are still special):
I believe what the Bible says. Psalm 41:9 & Zechariah 11:12-13 describe the acts of the betrayer. If Judas Iscariot had never been born, then the role would have been taken on by someone with a different name.

What did Judas NOT DO that he should've done?

Ask for forgiveness for his betrayal. At least there is not scripture saying that he did.

The alleged death and resurrection of Jesus couldn't have happened if Judas didn't do what he was supposed to do.

It would not have happened without a betrayal by someone. The scripture had already said so. The betrayer did not have to be Judas.

Why does the bible then say that it would've been better if Judas had never been born if it's not blaming him for Jesus' alleged death? The biblical writers are clearly blaming Judas for something. If they're not blaming him for Jesus' alleged death, then what are they blaming him for?

Betrayal. Judas did not kill Jesus. He was only a conspirator in the arrest.

I was speaking in general terms, but since you mentioned it, didn't Jesus encourage Judas to do quickly what he had to do? Yes he did. Later on, the biblical writers have the nerve to condemn him for carrying out what he was encouraged to carry out....by Jesus. That's confusing and contradictory. Why would Jesus ask him to carry out the plan, then condemn him for it? Now THAT makes no sense whatsoever but I'm sure you'll try and make it make sense.

It's not confusing to believers. Becoming a believer would probably help you. The rest is already explained in my previous post.

How do you know this? That's it, you don't. You're just speculating. The bible clearly condemned Judas by saying that it would've been better if he had never been born.
By taking his own life, Judas in a sense felt sorry for what he had done, but he didn't realize that he was merely a tool in the hand of an unjust god who used him, then threw him away by condemning him to not have been born.
He did the same thing with the Egyptian Pharoah, something that was totally wicked, unjust and downright evil, as you've indirectly admitted.

Feeling sorry and repentance are two completely different things. Just ask you local serial killer.

There are 4 terms used for the hardening of Pharoah's heart. Perhaps if you study them, you will get a better understanding of what actually occurred in that hardening process.

So you're saying that Jesus played along in this game? You're right, he did. Judas was merely a pawn being used. Judas didn't know that he was being used as a pawn, but the Jesus character did know. If he wanted to save Judas, he could've saved him from doing what he did but he didn't. He not only encouraged Judas to follow through with being a pawn, he condemned him for doing it, and this after he had given his own life in a sort of repentance.
Judas was much of a victim than anyone else in this fictional game and story.

If Judas wanted to be saved, he knew exactly what to do and chose not to do it.

Judas was used as a pawn by a supposed all-knowing god who could've stopped him from doing what he did. Instead of stopping Judas, he encouraged him to carry out the plan to the very end.
It's truly astonishing that you refuse to admit that what happened to Judas was unjust, evil, wicked and deceitful.
Jesus, who was the supposed god of the Old Testament, supposedly knew hundreds of years in advance that Judas would be the scapegoat, yet he did nothing to warn Judas of his impending doom. Now how "loving" is that? It's obvious that the Jesus character didn't have enough love to warn Judas about what was to happen to him just as he didn't have enough love and compassion towards the Egyptian Pharoah to warn him of the fact that his mind would be hardened so that he COULDN'T repent and let the Israelites go even if he wanted to. Now how evil and deceitful was that? VERY!!

Judas knew exactly what he was doing. He did it of his own volition. And, what happened to him was self-inflicted. Unjust, evil, wicked, and deceitful: exactly what is described of Judas. What happened to Judas was no different that what happened to Peter. It is what each chose to do after his failing that was different and makes the difference in their legacies.

Come on Dacon, you can't wiggle your way out of this one. If the Jesus character inspired the bible, then the writers had to know that Judas was considered to be evil, especially if Jesus told them that it would've been better if he had never been born.
Jesus simply used Judas as a tool, then threw him to the dogs. It's as simple as that. That's not very loving at all no matter how one tries to justify it.

Judas' mind was made up to do the deed. Just read the previous post. I try to avoid redundancy.

 

[JayRob]

Bamboozled? All he had to do was ask for forgiveness.

Why did he need to ask for forgiveness after he was set up to fail? The person or entity who set him up to fail needs to be asking him for forgiveness for using him as a tool.

 

[JayRob]

Here is another RE-POST (you are still special):

For someone who keeps getting tripped up in untruths and inaccuracies time and time again, you got some nerve judging somebody as being "special".

I believe what the Bible says. Psalm 41:9 & Zechariah 11:12-13 describe the acts of the betrayer.

Judas Iscariot's name is nowhere mentioned in Psalms 41:9. If you start reading from verse one, you'd see that the chapter's referring to David or whomever wrote this chapter. This verse has nothing whatsoever to do with the Judas of the New Testament.
Zechariah 11:12-13 has nothing to do with Judas and Jesus either. If you'd have taken the time to read, starting as late as verse 8, you'd know that the verses are referring to a particular shephard who broke a covenant with those who hated him. These verses have nothing to do with any Judas or Jesus.
You merely broke in the middle of a story and took one or two verses completely out of context. It didn't take any holy spirit to teach me that. Following simple English and Language Arts rules was enough.

If Judas Iscariot had never been born, then the role would have been taken on by someone with a different name.

Where does it say in scripture that there would've been someone else to take Judas' place? Please list the verses. Mere speculation on your part is insufficient at this point and time.

Ask for forgiveness for his betrayal. At least there is not scripture saying that he did.

Please explain how Judas should've been the one asking for forgiveness, especially when he was the one set up to be the betrayer by the god of the New Testament? You all but admitted it when you said that someone else would've been CHOSEN if it wasn't for Judas. So you admit that Judas was CHOSEN? You admit correctly.

This is no different than the situation with the Egyptian Pharoah who was set up to do to the Israelites what he did by the Old Testament god.

It would not have happened without a betrayal by someone. The scripture had already said so. The betrayer did not have to be Judas.

It would not have happened if there was no person being used as a "tool" to do what he did. Whose the blame in this situation, the clay or the potter (Judas)? It's the potter, who was the New Testament god, but then again, I highly doubt if you'll admit such.

Betrayal. Judas did not kill Jesus. He was only a conspirator in the arrest.

Judas had his part in the situation, but again, he was only the clay.

It's not confusing to believers. Becoming a believer would probably help you. The rest is already explained in my previous post.

Use the "believer excuse" if that helps you cope with this story. Jesus commanded Judas to do what he had to do and do it quickly. Not one time did Jesus discourage Judas or try to talk him out of carrying out what Jesus wanted him to do in the first place. Instead, Judas was encouraged to carry out evil by his teacher and master.

Feeling sorry and repentance are two completely different things. Just ask you local serial killer.

How do you know that Judas didn't repent? In actuality, the person who should've repented is the very one who served as an accomplice and who helped put Judas up to doing what he did. Not one time did Jesus discourage Judas to abate the plan....not one time. That alone speaks volume due to the fact that in other parts of the bible, the Jesus character encouraged others NOT to commit sin. In this case, he sat there with his arms folded and did nothing to prevent or aid Judas in NOT carrying out the plan.

There are 4 terms used for the hardening of Pharoah's heart. Perhaps if you study them, you will get a better understanding of what actually occurred in that hardening process.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. The bible clearly says that the Old Testament god INTENTIONALLY hardened Pharoah's heart so that he COULDN'T repent even if he wanted too. Why is that so difficult for you to admit? It's in the bible in black and white.
People who claim otherwise are merely making up excuses to try and cover for and explain away a clear evil committed by a more powerful entity over a weaker vessel. It's as simple as that.

If Judas wanted to be saved, he knew exactly what to do and chose not to do it.

If Jesus wanted to save Judas, he knew exactly what to do and chose not to do it. Instead, he encouraged Judas to carry it out when he could've prayed to the "father" to stop Judas from committing an evil task, but he didn't. He lifted not one finger or prayer to try and save his disciple who was caught in a difficult predicament and who DIDN'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT to save him, but Jesus did.
It seems that you have a serious problem admitting when the biblical god does something wrong, even when it's as clear as day. You try and explain it away or flat out deny it....for what, I don't know.
I thought honesty and truthfulness were fruits of the spirit. I guess that's not the case when it comes to a specific god.

Judas knew exactly what he was doing. He did it of his own volition. And, what happened to him was self-inflicted. Unjust, evil, wicked, and deceitful: exactly what is described of Judas. What happened to Judas was no different that what happened to Peter. It is what each chose to do after his failing that was different and makes the difference in their legacies.

Jesus knew exactly what Judas was doing, yet he lifted not one finger to try and save his "friend". Seems like Judas was a victim because no one who had the power, came to his rescue. You know who I'm referring to.

Judas' mind was made up to do the deed. Just read the previous post. I try to avoid redundancy.

You could say the same about the Jesus character, but I know you won't be that honest. Jesus had made up his mind to let Judas do the deed without stepping in as the "intercessor" he was supposed to be.
Not one time did the Jesus character offer up prayers to have Judas protected from whomever. Instead, Judas was left on his own to try and get through this situation the best he could. No advice, support or intervention was ever offered by Jesus to stop Judas from doing what he did. That's ashamed right there, but I know you won't admit such for fear of putting the Jesus character on the spot.