Why goodie mobs soul food is the greatest Atlanta rap album of all time


CEE DOG

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This is a great article to read. Its long, but it takes you back to old school Atlanta before the Olympics and this Hollywood stuff came about.

http://clatl.com/atlanta/why-goodie...ta-rap-album-of-all-time/Content?oid=16430550


The money. The power. The trap. The New South. The War on Drugs. The Red Dogs.
The Dixie flags. The Million Man March. The Atlanta Child Murders. The black mecca.
The 20th anniversary of ‘Soul Food.’ The South Had Something to Say.


by Rodney Carmichael

Three weeks before the release of Goodie Mob's debut album, Robert "T-Mo" Barnett, Willie "Khujo" Knighton, Jr., Cameron "Big Gipp" Gipp, and Thomas DeCarlo "CeeLo" Callaway boarded a bus. With Soul Food mixed, mastered, and submitted to LaFace Records, it was time for the group to take a trip. Joining them for the ride was the entire Dungeon Family. But this was not a typical promotional tour. Far from it, in fact. The destination was Washington, D.C., where the up-and-coming First Family of Southern hip-hop would join a crowd of like-minded black men conservatively estimated to number nearly one million.

The Million Man March climaxed on the afternoon of Oct. 16, 1995 with Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan issuing a call for atonement, reconciliation, and personal responsibility after a decade of decimation in the black community from crack, crime, and the War on Drugs.

Just two months prior, Andre 3000 of OutKast had issued another cultural challenge of sorts at the second annual Source Awards. In the bosom of hip-hop, at the Paramount Theater in New York City's Madison Square Garden, he and Big Boi collected their Best New Artist honors to audible boos from the crowd. With OutKast quite literally cast aside as bicoastal tension brewed between East Coast label Bad Boy and West Coast stronghold Death Row, Andre dropped a prophetic bomb: "I'm tired of folks, youknowhatimsayin, them closed-minded folks. It's like we got a demo tape but don't nobody want to hear it. But it's like this: The South got something to say and that's all I got to say."

When Soul Food hit shelves on Nov. 7, it presented a resounding response to both Farrakhan's plea for spiritual rebirth and Andre's premonition of Southern redemption. The members of Goodie Mob had the audacity to speak in their own Southern dialect about their own Southern reality from their own Southern point of view. The result was an album so hyperlocal in content that those who lived outside of I-285 missed half the context.

Ironic, ain't it, how times have shifted. Now Atlanta is the center of the hip-hop universe. Our biggest musical exports rap in drug-addled drawls so thick even we can't understand them. But before there was Dirty Sprite, there was the Dirty South. In 1995, Atlanta was a city on the make, full of Olympic hopes and Miami dope, scheming politicians and connected businessmen, Red Dogs and Dixie flags. Goodie Mob aired it all out over a narrative of death and reawakening.

The album may not have reached the platinum success of OutKast's debut, but it was more meaningful. Soul Food became the first hip-hop album to canonize "the Dirty South." It trumpeted issues of social justice alongside the trials of the streets. It chastised Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton in one verse, and corrupt former city councilman Douglas "Buddy" Fowlkes and Governor Zell Miller in another. It was spiritual and Southern gothic; an album of mourning, equal parts haunting and healing.

In a genre full of bluster, Soul Food stripped away all pretense to reveal the souls of young black men coming of age in the hood. It took intellect, passion, poetry, madness, and a political awareness that often bordered on paranoia.
"It was our version of gangsta music, with some sense though," says producer Rico Wade, one-third of Organized Noize and Dungeon Family co-founder. "We took a stand with Goodie Mob. We needed to show that we are conscious. And the backdrop of it was dark because it was street. Niggas had come up in some pain."

Plenty of rap has come out of Atlanta over the last two decades — the entire discography of the most popular hip-hop duo of all time included. But no album has reflected and dissected the city of Atlanta with more honesty than Soul Food. It upholds the tradition of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. while simultaneously ripping apart the mountaintop mythology of Atlanta as the proud black mecca. Without the record's soul-searching introspection, OutKast might never have made the leap from post-pubescent players to out-of-this-world ATLiens. And Southern hip-hop might still be questing for the depths of its soul.

Soul Food gets its just due as a classic, but it's also one of the most important social documents of the late-20th century. Equally inspired by personal trauma and political strife, the album made a conscious effort to wake the world up to Southern hip-hop while waking the South up to the dire state of the world.

"I felt like we were more activists than artists," CeeLo told Complex in a 2013 look back at the album. "At that time, we were fighting for the civil rights of Southern hip-hop to be counted."

At once past, present, and prescient, this is the album that went beyond merely putting Atlanta on the map. It grappled with the identity of the city in ways we're still too busy to appreciate.
 
I remember when Outkast first came out. Even though I was born and bred in the south, at the time I was really into east coast hip hop. Outkast put out "Players Ball" and I just wasn't feeling it at first. Yet it something about "Southernplayalisticcaddlicfunkymusic" that I heard during the summer that I started feeling a certain vibe as if to say, this is really the south. Then I when I first saw Goodie Mob's Soul Food video, I understood a deeper meaning through the lyrics and content from the video as well as a language that made me say, yeah this is really the south and this is how we are living.

I say all of that to say the article is on point!
 



I really like the article. See what a lot of people don't know is that before Outkast and Goodie , Atlanta was transforming into its own music style. We had guys like MC Shy D, Kilo, Raheem the Dream, Mojo and many others. The thing is Atlanta has always had its own flavor and northern east coast folks and west folks couldn't stand that. We never needed them, they needed us. When folks from the west coast and northern east coast folks came or to come to Atlanta they like to try and brag about where they are from, and we play them like shyt. What threw them off is that we were proud to be country boys. We were just as proud of the Atl as they were New York and Los Angeles. They weren't used to that, and when they would brag we would tell them we don't need what you got because we got what Atl has. lol What other cities don't have that Atlanta has is transformation. By that I mean Atlanta unlike other big cities in America has transformed each decade for the last 60 plus years. Each decade of Atlanta is different depending on when you were born and when you visited and its on a steady trend to stay that way. For Example the 50's and the 60's saw Atlanta as the civil rights movement and the city to busy to hate. The 70's saw Atlanta begin to transform into a positive education hub and business hub for blacks. The 80's is when Atlanta turned into the dope boy hub, talent show capital the party scene begin to develop. I mean everybody and they momma was a either a dope boy, prep kid, dancing group or talent show kid for the come up. When the 90's hit Atlanta became the true party king with the growth of freaknik and clubs in all surrounding areas and our take over of the music industry. When the 2000's hit we controlled the music industry and the Hollywood transformation started. By the 2010 Atl was full blown Hollywood. I'm looking forward to see how it transform in 2020 and beyond. For the last 40 years folks have been saying Atlanta will slow down from growth and it hasn't yet. It keeps growing with a new flavor and different look each decade. No other city in America can it has transformed like Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Detroit, LA are all the same cities from the 80's while Atlanta is not the same from the last decade. This is for one why folks who grow in Atlanta especially in my era are so arrogant. We are what Atl is and has become. Although I will admit I don't like Hollywood Atlanta. It doesn't have that southern flavor I grew up on. I miss the old Atlanta and many of my friend I grew up with who left miss it too. The ones who never left or left for college just keep rolling and transforming with it.


I remember when Outkast first came out. Even though I was born and bred in the south, at the time I was really into east coast hip hop. Outkast put out "Players Ball" and I just wasn't feeling it at first. Yet it something about "Southernplayalisticcaddlicfunkymusic" that I heard during the summer that I started feeling a certain vibe as if to say, this is really the south. Then I when I first saw Goodie Mob's Soul Food video, I understood a deeper meaning through the lyrics and content from the video as well as a language that made me say, yeah this is really the south and this is how we are living.

I say all of that to say the article is on point!
 
I have always been a fan of music from the ATL. The music always tells a story. Babayface, Outkast, Goodie Mob, those guys told stories that the ordinary man could relate to....
 
I think Aquemini is possibly the best group album ever made and by far the best album out of ATL. I actually think is a top ten album of all-time....

I actually liked Still standing over soul food.
 
Man when it comes to Outkast you can't choose which one is the greatest. All of them had a message and revolved around the title. I mean those cats were evolutionary.
 
I really like the article. See what a lot of people don't know is that before Outkast and Goodie , Atlanta was transforming into its own music style. We had guys like MC Shy D, Kilo, Raheem the Dream, Mojo and many others. The thing is Atlanta has always had its own flavor and northern east coast folks and west folks couldn't stand that. We never needed them, they needed us. When folks from the west coast and northern east coast folks came or to come to Atlanta they like to try and brag about where they are from, and we play them like shyt. What threw them off is that we were proud to be country boys. We were just as proud of the Atl as they were New York and Los Angeles. They weren't used to that, and when they would brag we would tell them we don't need what you got because we got what Atl has. lol What other cities don't have that Atlanta has is transformation. By that I mean Atlanta unlike other big cities in America has transformed each decade for the last 60 plus years. Each decade of Atlanta is different depending on when you were born and when you visited and its on a steady trend to stay that way. For Example the 50's and the 60's saw Atlanta as the civil rights movement and the city to busy to hate. The 70's saw Atlanta begin to transform into a positive education hub and business hub for blacks. The 80's is when Atlanta turned into the dope boy hub, talent show capital the party scene begin to develop. I mean everybody and they momma was a either a dope boy, prep kid, dancing group or talent show kid for the come up. When the 90's hit Atlanta became the true party king with the growth of freaknik and clubs in all surrounding areas and our take over of the music industry. When the 2000's hit we controlled the music industry and the Hollywood transformation started. By the 2010 Atl was full blown Hollywood. I'm looking forward to see how it transform in 2020 and beyond. For the last 40 years folks have been saying Atlanta will slow down from growth and it hasn't yet. It keeps growing with a new flavor and different look each decade. No other city in America can it has transformed like Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Detroit, LA are all the same cities from the 80's while Atlanta is not the same from the last decade. This is for one why folks who grow in Atlanta especially in my era are so arrogant. We are what Atl is and has become. Although I will admit I don't like Hollywood Atlanta. It doesn't have that southern flavor I grew up on. I miss the old Atlanta and many of my friend I grew up with who left miss it too. The ones who never left or left for college just keep rolling and transforming with it.
I always said that ATL didn't have its own identity, because it transformed from one thing to another. But I guess that this explains its identity very well.
 
And I was in ATL when the dope boys use to wear Starter jackets and hats, wear Champion shoes with the big C on the side. When the Miami boys use to run parts of the city and get into it with the Georgia boys and they both wore their teams starter jackets and hats to show what set they were part of. When the Diablos where just as big as Big Meech. I grew up with Kilo's music, MC Shy D, Raheem the Dream, Hitman Sammy Sam, CMP (Causin Much Pain). I use to "Yeek" at dance parties with my little dance crew. ATL has changed a great bit deal since I was young there.

And here's the song to show what ATL has become since my and Cee Dog's days.


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I always said that ATL didn't have its own identity, because it transformed from one thing to another. But I guess that this explains its identity very well.
BB, I can see both sides of what you and CEE are saying.

Born in 72 and raised in Huntsville, the Atl was really like a mecca for some people in the south. My extended family other parts of Alabama would all get together every other summer and go to the ATL and hang, do all kinds of things from shopping, church, Braves ballgames and so on. Up until the 90s, it had a certain feel that I loved. Yet by 92-93, I could tell it was changing. The vibe was different. I guess it had become an untapped gold mine. I even noticed that in the music industry, certain movers and shakers were making moves in the ATL even changing their residence (Erick Sermon, Chuck D, etc.). I guess that is when I first notice what Cee describes as the ATL being transformed....

Still what I love about Outkast/Good Mob and that whole Dungeon click was that they were and still are authentic. When I listen to an album from any artist, I can still feel that vibe that was there from the 70s & 80s & at the beginning of the 90s if that makes sense....

By the way somewhere on youtube is an excellent documentary on the rise of southern hip hop, particularly with the ATL influence...
 
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My adviser in college is from Collipawk (College Park, Ga.), went to high school with Jermaine Dupri and played against the Grissoms. He had us rolling talking about the MD-Lakeshore thing.

Soul Food was great, but Still Standing was better IMO...

And going back to Outkast ... Three Stacks and Big Boi practically wrote the soundtrack of my life from when Players Ball came out til now. I had a roommate from ATL who gave me props cuz I had that Kilo Ali Organized Bass CD. Remember when Witchdoctor came out with that Holiday and it was like the bed track for everybody and their mama's hip-hop station.

Pretty much in college it was Kast, Goodie, UGK, No Limit, Cash Money, Biggie, Jay-Z, Pac, Nas
 
I remember when Outkast first came out. Even though I was born and bred in the south, at the time I was really into east coast hip hop. Outkast put out "Players Ball" and I just wasn't feeling it at first. Yet it something about "Southernplayalisticcaddlicfunkymusic" that I heard during the summer that I started feeling a certain vibe as if to say, this is really the south. Then I when I first saw Goodie Mob's Soul Food video, I understood a deeper meaning through the lyrics and content from the video as well as a language that made me say, yeah this is really the south and this is how we are living.

I say all of that to say the article is on point!

REAL TALK!
 
I think Aquemini is possibly the best group album ever made and by far the best album out of ATL. I actually think is a top ten album of all-time....

I actually liked Still standing over soul food.

I agree with this. Soul Food is a classic but I liked SS better. Cell Therapy is still my favorite GM song though.

And yeah Aquemini was Outkast's best album.
 
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