Why don't our press look like their press???


Devil's Gun Trigger Man

Devil's Gun Trigger Man

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Basketball folks, I've noticed something watching our teams play, when we switch to presses, it's to speed the game up and force turnovers. I know what the purpose is but I continually see our presses broken, leading to layups and easy baskets. My question is that i've noticed in out of conference games when they throw the press on us, I don't see nearly the number of breaks and often times it results in a multitude of turnovers and we fall apart. What gives???
 
1. Poor coaching
2. Lesser talent

From what I've noticed our players don't know the basics on how to attack a press. The first thing our players do is dribble or pass towards the sideline. That's wrong. They don't set screens to beat the press either and dribble too much. Those are basic fundamental issues.
 



I disagree with PJ...... Black folks know how to break the press.... most Black high schools press, guards know what to do..... but talent has more to do with it..... when you got LONG athletic players, it makes breaking the press much tougher. Its easy when you got 6'2/6'3 guards.... but when you got those long 6'7/6'8 guards breaking the press becomes alot more difficult.
 
DAHILL said:
I disagree with PJ...... Black folks know how to break the press.... most Black high schools press, guards know what to do..... but talent has more to do with it..... when you got LONG athletic players, it makes breaking the press much tougher. Its easy when you got 6'2/6'3 guards.... but when you got those long 6'7/6'8 guards breaking the press becomes alot more difficult.
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I agree. It has a lot to do with talent and size. My 10 year old's team knows how to break a press, but if they are playing against a bigger but equally as fast team, they're bound to get whipped.
 
Size has nothing to do with it. Understanding court geography is the key to breaking the press. No matter the type of press, the offense has to be in the right position break it. Sometimes that requires people to be in the middle of the court, or whatever. Presses at the collegiate level is designed more so to 'CHEW' time off the shot clock, not create a turnover. The turnover is GRAVY. When teams are turning the ball over against a press, put that on the coach.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Size has nothing to do with it. Understanding court geography is the key to breaking the press. No matter the type of press, the offense has to be in the right position break it. Sometimes that requires people to be in the middle of the court, or whatever. Presses at the collegiate level is designed more so to 'CHEW' time off the shot clock, not create a turnover. The turnover is GRAVY. When teams are turning the ball over against a press, put that on the coach.
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I feel you to a certain extent, but I still think the main reason for the press is to put pressure on the opposing team, speed them up, and cause turnovers. Most teams only press when they are down, or just want to catch another team off guard. You can't tell me that Nolan Richardson's "40 minutes of hell" wasn't to cause turnovers.
 
I think Nolan's 40 minutes of hell was PRESSURE not PRESS! It was pure man to man full court PRESSURE defense with a lockdown defender on your PG. It wasn't zone based full court presses. DaHill, you are right, length goes a long way, but you negate the length by being properly spaced and making good passes. Many teams on the college level don't press because the basketball IQ is simply to high, however if they do press and it is causing turnovers, then that is a problem that goes back to coaching. All D1A men teams should have pretty good pgs.
 
PsychoJag said:
1. Poor coaching
2. Lesser talent

From what I've noticed our players don't know the basics on how to attack a press. The first thing our players do is dribble or pass towards the sideline. That's wrong. They don't set screens to beat the press either and dribble too much. Those are basic fundamental issues.
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Post of the new year ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. :clap: :tup:
 
Also key is passing the ball before the trap portion of the press comes into play. Poor teams tend to dribble into the trap and look to pass once trapped.
 
PsychoJag said:
1. Poor coaching
2. Lesser talent

From what I've noticed our players don't know the basics on how to attack a press. The first thing our players do is dribble or pass towards the sideline. That's wrong. They don't set screens to beat the press either and dribble too much. Those are basic fundamental issues.
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Panther88 said:
Post of the new year ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. :clap: :tup:
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Excellent point!
 
I think some of our issues can be traced to 'not practicing' the break-press enough. Maybe our teams aren't stressing it because they (themselves) don't press much. But that's part of the issue also. I think when you don't practice how to break the press, your point guard panics and simply tries to dribble out of the press, usually by going up the sideline, trying to draw the foul. But if proper techniques are taught, your PG dribbles inside up the middle of the court, with the 2 guard off-center (at mid-court), coming to the top of the defenders key. That sets a pick, if the ball handler can squeeze the trailing defender. It also presents a pass opportunity with the 2 guard, like a give-n-go. And if you've got a long forward at mid-court (to set a second pick - screen), the ball handler now has a free lane to drive to the basket, hopefully with two men on the wings (for the dish). It's a lay-up, dish and dunk, or spot-up jumper.

That ain't hard.. We just don't teach it.....
 
Da_Sperm said:
Size has nothing to do with it. Understanding court geography is the key to breaking the press. No matter the type of press, the offense has to be in the right position break it. Sometimes that requires people to be in the middle of the court, or whatever. Presses at the collegiate level is designed more so to 'CHEW' time off the shot clock, not create a turnover. The turnover is GRAVY. When teams are turning the ball over against a press, put that on the coach.
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The legendary Ben Jobe at SU pressed to speed the game up as he and SU players believed no matter who they were playing, if they got the opposing team to run, they would win. Jobe wanted a shot up in 7 seconds, which helped him get some outstanding recruits. who wouldnt want to play for a coach who wanted to shoot that much.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
I feel you to a certain extent, but I still think the main reason for the press is to put pressure on the opposing team, speed them up, and cause turnovers. Most teams only press when they are down, or just want to catch another team off guard. You can't tell me that Nolan Richardson's "40 minutes of hell" wasn't to cause turnovers.
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Florida definitely presses to force turnovers.
 



Da_Sperm said:
Size has nothing to do with it. Understanding court geography is the key to breaking the press. No matter the type of press, the offense has to be in the right position break it. Sometimes that requires people to be in the middle of the court, or whatever. Presses at the collegiate level is designed more so to 'CHEW' time off the shot clock, not create a turnover. The turnover is GRAVY. When teams are turning the ball over against a press, put that on the coach.
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I agree...it's decision making. You must teach your players to "read" the defense... if it's a man press, you beat it with the dribble. If it's a zone press, you beat it via the pass. When you're doubled, you get the ball to the open man and advance it toward the basket for the layup or (against a zone) knock down the open trey!

I know some might not agree with my approach (when I coached) but I always advanced my two best shooters (actually my 2nd and 3rd best ball handlers) on opposite sides of the court from each other even with the free throw line but outside the 3 point arc. We dared folk to press... we'd knock down the 3 pointer on dat azz.

The key (when I coached) was to teach the 3 guys (center who inbounded, point guard, and "swing" guy) to read the defense to see if it was zone or man. Admittedly, all of my guys could handle the rock... we worked on ball handling drills almost a full two weeks before we started scimmaging and had multiple ball handling drills even once the season started.
 
I agree with you MikeBigg. I kinda like to put my best ball handler in the middle of the court and inbound the ball to my taller players. This way, the taller players will negate any trap by passing over the trap, with the goal of getting the ball to the best ball handler near mid-court. Once the best ball handler gets the ball, then it is no longer a press break, it is not a FAST BREAK. This is against zone presses, but you are right against man presses, it would be totally opposite and with getting the ball to the best ball handler.

My daughter is a freshman point guard at SMU. Teams won't press them, she has a total of 13 turnovers all year (in 14 games) with 3 of them being in the first minute of her first game (due to being nervous). Since her first minute of collegiate play, she has turned the ball over 10 times since then.

Someone mention setting picks against a press, I can't visualize that. If it is an on-the-ball pick, I wouldn't advise bringing anything near the ball handler.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
Basketball folks, I've noticed something watching our teams play, when we switch to presses, it's to speed the game up and force turnovers. I know what the purpose is but I continually see our presses broken, leading to layups and easy baskets. My question is that i've noticed in out of conference games when they throw the press on us, I don't see nearly the number of breaks and often times it results in a multitude of turnovers and we fall apart. What gives???
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I am reading these comments and watching Florida and Tennessee at the same time. I am trying apply the comments I am reading to the game. When a D1 big school each other they appear not to play as hard, but when they play us they keep the pressure on our teams from the Start of the game to the end. Florida is behind and they started pressing. Fl stole the ball. Second time time Tennessee is ready for the press. It appears to me no matter what level you play at coaches are going to try things to win. Passing to the opened player is the key to playing basketball. Keep te ball out of the hands of the best point guard. All coaches I know teach everything, but when our players try to take a play off they normally get beat and the press did not work.
 
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