Why do we need a SWAC Championship game .....part.II


MACHIAVELLI

MACHIAVELLI

Chairman/C.E.O.
FYI: Attendance figures when the Bayou Classic was played the week before Thanksgiving.


1980: 75,000
1985: 57,041
1989: 64,333
 
Shaking My Head!!

NBC, National Broadcasting Company

Enough said, If you can not figure this out, then you are not trying and you really do not care about seriously debating this issue. Your comments in regards to this debate are just hidden agendas and dressed-up smack.
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Still don't look like they figured it out Jafus
 



BC classic is a good game. Personally, I don't care if it's moved or not, but like I asked on the other thread:

WHAT WAS THE EXCUSE OF NOT MOVING THE BC BEFORE NBC. This game was on BET just like all the rest before NBC "recently" came along. What was the excuse then?
 
The BC was played before Thanksgiving back in the 80's in some years. Back in 89, Grambling went on to the playoffs and played SFA. Lost 59-56. Grambling had a touchdown called back in that game.

We had to play the weekend before Thanksgiving because LSU and Tulane would play their game Thanksgiving weekend in the Dome.
 
I've been on record since early 99 against setting up the SCG. It really wasnt hard to see why this game was set up and that it really wouldnt help the SWAC...especially financially. When Rudy told us that the SWAC didnt make any money on the 99 game, red lights should have gone off.

In its 5th year, we can see how far it has deteriorated.
 
The bottomline on this is what SU79 said earlier that most of you don't want to admit, if your schools would step up and be more competitive and post a better record some of you would have a chance at getting an at large bid.

Now granted the nine game mandate puts a limit as to what you can do outside the conference which is where you need to impress but the fact of the matter is your schools weren't doing it before the mandate.

So in short this debate is just an excuse to blame SU/GSU for your schools team deficiencies and that fact that the topic is always directed at SU/GSU with the TDC only mention in passing leaves it suspect, other than SU Grambling has just ran through all of you like you don't even exist and that's a fact that none of you can escape and need to admit.

So stop blaming us (BC) for being the reason you don't get to go to the playoffs bull....... and you know it. Get on your coaches and get on your presidents for this nine game mandate and until you do both and your schools team step up none of you have a foot to stand on.

Stop blaming the SCG also, look at your schools record, particularly out of conference, if there was no SCG you'd still be sitting your butts at home finding excuses.



East

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Alabama State....... 5 2 0 255 167 .714 8 5 0 434 327 .615
Alcorn State........ 5 2 0 213 163 .714 7 5 0 361 318 .583
Alabama A&M......... 4 3 0 210 161 .571 8 4 0 398 194 .667
Jackson State....... 2 5 0 139 203 .286 2 10 0 201 338 .167
Miss. Valley State.. 1 6 0 108 211 .143 2 9 0 181 331 .182


West

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Southern............ 6 1 0 307 143 .857 12 1 0 520 195 .923
Grambling State..... 6 1 0 309 119 .857 9 3 0 439 258 .750
Texas Southern...... 3 4 0 151 167 .429 5 6 0 213 331 .455
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 3 4 0 125 166 .429 4 7 0 211 291 .364
Prairie View A&M.... 0 7 0 44 361 .000 1 9 0 99 522 .100



EAST

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Alabama A&M......... 6 2 0 191 141 .750 8 4 0 261 217 .667
Jackson State....... 5 2 0 214 142 .714 7 4 0 330 267 .636
Alcorn State........ 3 4 0 196 199 .429 6 5 0 280 283 .545
Miss. Valley State.. 3 4 0 124 137 .429 5 6 0 241 260 .455
Alabama State....... 2 5 0 181 202 .286 6 6 0 337 276 .500


WEST

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Grambling State..... 7 1 0 313 210 .875 11 2 0 506 355 .846[/color]
Southern............ 5 2 0 179 165 .714 6 6 0 279 296 .500
Texas Southern...... 3 4 0 219 188 .429 4 7 0 314 277 .364
Arkansas-Pine Bluff. 2 5 0 167 209 .286 3 8 0 284 368 .273
Prairie View A&M.... 0 7 0 81 272 .000 1 10 0 123 413 .091




EAST

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Alabama State....... 6 1 0 265 181 .857 8 4 0 444 298 .667
Jackson State....... 5 2 0 280 210 .714 7 4 0 389 342 .636
Alcorn State........ 5 2 0 210 199 .714 6 5 0 269 312 .545
Alabama A&M......... 3 4 0 168 156 .429 4 7 0 215 246 .364
Miss. Valley State.. 0 7 0 148 319 .000 0 11 0 176 472 .000


WEST

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Grambling State..... 6 1 0 278 119 .857 10 1 0 413 214 .909
Southern............ 5 2 0 198 122 .714 7 4 0 275 214 .636
Prairie View A&M.... 2 5 0 143 219 .286 3 7 0 194 302 .300
Texas Southern...... 2 5 0 120 150 .286 3 7 0 191 245 .300
Arkansas-Pine Bluff. 1 6 0 92 227 .143 4 7 0 154 270 .364
 
Originally posted by Get Ready
I've been on record since early 99 against setting up the SCG. It really wasnt hard to see why this game was set up and that it really wouldnt help the SWAC...especially financially. When Rudy told us that the SWAC didnt make any money on the 99 game, red lights should have gone off.

In its 5th year, we can see how far it has deteriorated.
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What deterioration?
Are you saying that the SCG hasn't made money?
 
I think the main point is if you are going to play everybody anyway ............... the swac championship is already decided.

What's the point in a rematch if they are not going to do anything to enhance the game.

If you are going to keep this, then:

Play your 4 division games ........... these are the one's that count ...
Keep your big in-conference rival games in tact ........ say 2, maybe 3 each.

That's 6 or 7 games played within the SWAC, 4 counting toward the championship, 2 or 3 for "money purposes", which would free up 3 to 4 non-conference games that could be used for "classics" and playoff bound PWC's every year.

Playing everybody, then having a championship game that leads to no-where and little money make little sence.

This is just my take on the SWAC. The NCAA still have to do more to enhance the playoff's. Even if it's just helping out with the expenses of travel or hosting. Basically paying the NCAA to put on their show is insane.
 
You keep saying we have not figured it out ............... then say NBC. Tell me thinker, what was the excuse BEFORE NBC.......... and quit dancing around the question.

One Gram fan gave me an answer, but I want to hear the GREAT THINKER's Take.;)
 
Originally posted by jstate83
You keep saying we have not figured it out ............... then say NBC. Tell me thinker, what was the excuse BEFORE NBC.......... and quit dancing around the question.

One Gram fan gave me an answer, but I want to hear the GREAT THINKER's Take.;)
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There was no excuse, I know I'm not Jafus but I'm going to comment. Your school did go maybe you miss that part, they got beaten......"AGAIN". Alcorn went with McNair they got beaten......"AGAIN", so maybe you should ask those coaches or your president or here's a novel idea, just stop making excuse for your schools failings.
 
Dog .................. Go back and find 1 post about excuses. My comment was "If you can do better, then put yourself in a position to try."

In other words, if you never tried, don't throw dart's. The comment was made about Gram's 1 time in the playoff's. They had a touchdown called back. Big deal. Would you have won the next one ................ we will never know will we.

Hell JSU had Ark. St. beat in Memorial for a 1st round playoff game. Guess what, they did the ole "fumble-ruskie" and beat us by 3 with no time on the clock. We came close, but no cigar. At least we stepped up to the plate. SU HAS NEVER STEPPED UP ........ and the BC IS YOUR EXCUSE.
 
Originally posted by jstate83
Dog .................. Go back and find 1 post about excuses. My comment was "If you can do better, then put yourself in a position to try."

In other words, if you never tried, don't throw dart's. The comment was made about Gram's 1 time in the playoff's. They had a touchdown called back. Big deal. Would you have won the next one ................ we will never know will we.

Hell JSU had Ark. St. beat in Memorial for a 1st round playoff game. Guess what, they did the ole "fumble-ruskie" and beat us by 3 with no time on the clock. We came close, but no cigar. At least we stepped up to the plate. SU HAS NEVER STEPPED UP ........ and the BC IS YOUR EXCUSE.
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Whatever makes you sleep :rolleyes:

Jackson State University
2003 Tiger Football

? ? HISTORY ? ?
First year of football:.................................................. 1913
All-time record: ........................... 375-193-13 (since 1946)
All-time bowl/playoff record: ....................................... 0-12
Years in post season play: ............. 12 (Div. I-AA Playoffs)
Last postseason appearance: .................................. 1997
Result: ................................ Lost, 31-24 to Western Illinois

http://www.jsums.edu/~tigersports/football/2003 FB Facts.pdf

If thats what you call stepping up, So much for moral victories.

Southern Bowl History

Other Bowl Record: 8-3-0


http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/southwestern/southern/bowl_history.php
 
Smack on ............................. You know what I'm talking about when I say "stepping up to the plate."

But continue to dance around the fact the the GREAT SAVIOR SU has NEVER, EVER put itself in position to even try.

Keep dancing and smacking though .............. It's all fun.

BTW: Everyone already knew JSU playoff record before you spent the energy to "post" it.:rolleyes:
 
83, that was not our only time in the playoffs. It was the last time we made it to the playoffs. I think our 2001 team would have won a game or two in the playoffs.
 



FYI

Originally posted by jstate83


The comment was made about Gram's 1 time in the playoff's. They had a touchdown called back. Big deal. Would you have won the next one ...............
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FYI: 1-aa playoffs
1980 GSU-9....BOISE ST.-14
1985 GSU-7....ARKANSAS ST. 10
1989 GSU-56...SFA-59
 
That's the point I'm trying to make Cat Daddy. At least ya'll have "STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE" before. They have never done this. All they can do is post the Heritage Bowl record and compare that to playing the BEST TEAMS IN 1-AA....... and that has nothing to do with black or white.
 
Jackson State DI-AA Playoff History


Year Round Opponent Score
1978 First Round Florida A&M L 10-15
1981 First Round Boise State L 7-19
1982 First Round Eastern Illinois L 13-16
1985 First Round Georgia Southern L 0-27
1986 First Round Tennessee State L 23-32
1987 First Round Arkansas State L 32-35
1988 First Round StephenFAustin L 0-24
1989 First Round Montana L 7-48
1990 First Round Middle Tennessee L 7-28
1995 First Round Marshall L 8-38
1996 First Round William & Mary L 6-45
1997 First Round Western Illinois L 24-31

Alcorn State DI-AA Playoff History


Year Round Opponent Score
1984 Quarterfinal Louisiana Tech L 21-44
1992 First Round U La-Monroe L 27-78
1994 First Round Youngstown State L 20-63

Grambling State DI-AA Playoff History


Year Round Opponent Score
1980 First Round Boise State L 9-14
1985 First Round Arkansas State L 7-10
1989 First Round StephenFAustin L 56-59


Mississippi Valley State DI-AA Playoff History


Year Round Opponent Score
1984 First Round Louisiana Tech L 19-66

Now honestly everybody that's has something to say about the BC/SCG being the reason that the SWAC President's opting out of the playoffs, don't you think that this maybe a more plausible reason?
 
And out of those 12 teams ....................... LOOKS LIKE I SEE 8 EVENTUAL NATIONAL CHAMPS.

No moral victory, but I see how you can compare the 2nd place team in the Heritage bowl to that................ JUST FACT-- I AIN'T PUTTIN NOBODY DOWN.:)
 
Originally posted by jstate83
BC classic is a good game. Personally, I don't care if it's moved or not, but like I asked on the other thread:

WHAT WAS THE EXCUSE OF NOT MOVING THE BC BEFORE NBC. This game was on BET just like all the rest before NBC "recently" came along. What was the excuse then?
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There was no excuse...the game used to be moved every other year during the years that Tulane played LSU in New Orleans. Tulane had the first option on the dome and the BC was adjusted accordingly.

It actually has little to do with NBC and has more to do with a decision by the two schools to play the game on the more appealing Thanksgiving weekend. It's better for the fans and has become part of the tradition of the game...

Could it be changed or moved up? Certainly...just like it could be alternated between New Orleans and Shreveport (which some fans from North Louisiana advocate). I don't either is likely...especially not moving it just to be eligible for the playoffs. There is no guarantee that the playoffs would be there for either team.
 
Originally posted by MikeBigg
There was no excuse...the game used to be moved every other year during the years that Tulane played LSU in New Orleans. Tulane had the first option on the dome and the BC was adjusted accordingly.

It actually has little to do with NBC and has more to do with a decision by the two schools to play the game on the more appealing Thanksgiving weekend. It's better for the fans and has become part of the tradition of the game...

Could it be changed or moved up? Certainly...just like it could be alternated between New Orleans and Shreveport (which some fans from North Louisiana advocate). I don't either is likely...especially not moving it just to be eligible for the playoffs. There is no guarantee that the playoffs would be there for either team.
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That simply isn't true.
 
Originally posted by jstate83
And out of those 12 teams ....................... LOOKS LIKE I SEE 8 EVENTUAL NATIONAL CHAMPS.

No moral victory, but I see how you can compare the 2nd place team in the Heritage bowl to that................ JUST FACT-- I AIN'T PUTTIN NOBODY DOWN.:)
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To quote somebody famous.....
Originally posted by jstate83
quit dancing around the question.
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I don't think SU "dodged" the playoffs! It's simply a matter of them not being very good during the time that the SWAC was participating in the playoffs as either an at-large invitee or SWAC champ. The DIAA playoffs started in 1978 and until 1993, SU was not a very good program (in comparison to GSU, JSU, and Alcorn). That's not to say that they were a losing entity, but they did not consistently have either the outright championship and/or overall record to get an at-large bid.

We can only speculate as to how well they would have done. Perhaps they would have won some games and perhaps not. During this time they did manage to beat some fairly decent Northwestern teams...but never when Northwestern was a playoff championship contender. During Pete's first year, the jags did go 12-1 or something. However, that loss was to Nicholls State who only won 1 or 2 games total. No knock on the validity of SU's team, but that loss makes you wonder!
 
Originally posted by bluedog
To quote somebody famous.....
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Here we go with the famous BLUDOG ..................... post anything just to post. You are the one acting like the INFO Minister. I'm just going along with the stuff you post that everybody already know. Anything but the subject at hand ..... SU.

It's a shame that GRAM has more gut's to speak for you than you do.

DANCE-- DANCE -- DANCE.:D
 
Originally posted by MikeBigg
I don't think SU "dodged" the playoffs! It's simply a matter of them not being very good during the time that the SWAC was participating in the playoffs as either an at-large invitee or SWAC champ. The DIAA playoffs started in 1978 and until 1993, SU was not a very good program (in comparison to GSU, JSU, and Alcorn). That's not to say that they were a losing entity, but they did not consistently have either the outright championship and/or overall record to get an at-large bid.

We can only speculate as to how well they would have done. Perhaps they would have won some games and perhaps not. During this time they did manage to beat some fairly decent Northwestern teams...but never when Northwestern was a playoff championship contender.

Thanks for the compliments (I guess) but this too simply isn't true. We never played NWS during those years (football) it was nichols state and Otis Washington was the coach who consistently beat them.

It wasn't until Pete was hired that we played NWS and we did beat them when they were a playoff contending team.


During Pete's first year, the jags did go 12-1 or something. However, that loss was to Nicholls State who only won 1 or 2 games total. No knock on the validity of SU's team, but that loss makes you wonder!
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