Why are there fewer American-born blacks playing pro baseball?


Bartram

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There was/is a series on ESPN about the dramatic decline in the number of American-born blacks in pro baseball (25% in the 70s to 10% now). First of all,,,, sitting up here listening at these guys lamenting this, doing all the psycho-analysis, looking at social trends, interviewing high schoolers as to why they are not interested in baseball, blah, blah, blah, i'm thinking to myself, welp, there are what,, about 30-40 HBCUs with baseball teams full of American-born blacks. Is ESPN/MLB totally overlooking this source of American-born black baseball players? Anyway, hears an article along the same lines as the ESPN piece.

Fewer Blacks in Baseball

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Fewer blacks step up to plate in pro baseball
By Mike Klis, Denver Post Sports Writer
As he stood in left field for the Anaheim Angels during Game 1 of the World Series last fall, Garret Anderson was surrounded by white friends.

His teammate in center field, Darin Erstad, was white, as was right fielder Tim Salmon. The entire Angels infield of Troy Glaus, David Eckstein, Adam Kennedy and Scott Spiezio was white. Angels starting pitcher Jarrod Washburn and designated hitter Brad Fullmer were white. Bengie Molina, the catcher, was Latin American.
Had Anderson bothered to notice, he would have seen pretty much what Jackie Robinson saw while playing first base for the Brooklyn Dodgers in the 1947 World Series.

"I don't pay attention to that stuff," said Anderson, the lone African-American starting player on the eventual world-champion Angels.

A recently released racial survey, however, revealed numbers that baseball may not be able to ignore.

A little more than 50 years after Robinson broke the color barrier in Major League Baseball, the number of African-American players in the big leagues has dropped to its lowest level since 1960.

The Angels are one of seven teams that finished April with just one African-American player on the roster.

The others were Boston (utility infielder Damian Jackson), St. Louis (backup outfielder Kerry Robinson), the New York Yankees (injured shortstop Derek Jeter), Houston (backup outfielder Brian Hunter), Montreal (backup outfielder Ron Calloway) and Texas (starting outfielder Carl Everett).

More than 20 baseball players and officials at all levels interviewed for this report say there are a number of factors:

* Baseball is not reaching out in the inner cities to combat the perception that basketball and football offer more glamorous athletic opportunities.

* A lack of facilities, or facilities in poor condition, deters participation in inner cities.

* Real or perceived racism drives young black players away from the sport.

* The increasing cost of equipment and of joining organized leagues makes it difficult for some families to participate.

Regardless of the cause, the numbers tell the story.

"I'm not going to say it hasn't gone unnoticed," said Colorado Rockies pitcher Shawn Chacon.

Chacon is part of a Rockies team that has the most African-American players in the majors, with five. The four others are Preston Wilson, Charles Johnson, Darren Oliver and Jay Payton. Although the Rockies score well in racial equality, what does it say about baseball as an industry when just one team has 20 percent African-American players when in 1975, blacks represented 27 percent of all big-league players?

"I tell kids it's an ideal time to be in baseball. Because the best athletes are playing basketball and football," said Rockies scout Orsino Hill, once a professional baseball player and uncle to former all-star Darryl Strawberry.

A recent report by Richard Lapchick for the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport at the University of Central Florida revealed that only 10 percent of major-league players in 2002 were African-Americans ? the smallest percentage of black baseball players since 1960.

"That's a slap to Jackie and Hank (Aaron) and all the guys who played before us," said veteran Chicago Cubs outfielder Tom Goodwin. "We're not carrying the torch. We've got to keep it burning."

The decrease in the number of African-American ballplayers was gradual from its height in the mid-1970s until 1995, when they filled 19 percent of big-league rosters. But since the year of the wildcard and the opening of Coors Field, the number of African-American players has dropped nearly by half.

"Our industry, I don't think, is doing a real good job in the inner cities," said San Diego Padres general manager Kevin Towers. "The inner-city kids are playing basketball. They're not playing baseball."

The Lapchick report stated African-Americans account for four of five National Basketball Association players and two of every three players in the National Football League. "One reason why the black athlete isn't playing baseball is because baseball doesn't market their players like they do in the NBA and NFL," Hill said. "The NBA and NFL make sure people know who their players are. Baseball is kind of stuck in this dinosaur way of thinking in that, 'We're the national pastime ? every kid wants to play baseball.' That's not the way it is. African-American children aren't playing baseball because baseball doesn't appeal to them."

There is no greater irony regarding the gradual disappearance of African-American ballplayers than this: In 1997, the year baseball celebrated the 50-year anniversary of Robinson's breaking the color barrier, his former organization, the Los Angeles Dodgers, opened that season with just one African-American player: Wayne Kirby, a backup outfielder. Fifty years and no progress, at least not statistically.

"What happened that year with the Dodgers was astonishing," Lapchick said.

When decreases are this drastic, they're usually the result of several factors.

Latin American boom
The drop in black ballplayers has been exceeded by an even greater decrease in white ballplayers. Since Lapchick began formally reporting on race and gender in all major sports, white ballplayers decreased from 70 percent in 1989 to 58 percent in 1997, although the percentage was back up to 60 last season.

Statistically, the roster spots vacated by the white and black ballplayers have been filled by Latin Americans. Since 1989, the number of Latino ballplayers has more than doubled from 13 to 28 percent.

"Baseball is still the No. 1 sport over there," said the Cubs' Dusty Baker, one of baseball's four black managers. "In America, baseball is not the No. 1 sport. There are about 18 different sports here, with X Games on the rise. Soccer's on the rise."

The LeBron James factor
It's not so much that Latin Americans took over big-league roster spots as African-Americans forfeited them. Hill, who at 41 is 12 days older than his more famous nephew, Strawberry, grew up playing in the same southern Los Angeles sandlots where future major- league stars such as Strawberry, Eric Davis, Ozzie Smith, Eddie Murray and Chris Brown spent their afternoons and evenings. Rockies scouting director Bill Schmidt grew up not far from the area and scouted all the Los Angeles high schools that were once fertile ground for major-league stars.

"Now, I can't tell you when's the last time I went to southern L.A. to scout," Schmidt said.

Baseball can't observe somebody who's not there.

"I think communities themselves are a lot different," said Rockies center fielder Wilson, who grew up in South Carolina. "Baseball used to be a community sport where people would get together and play a game. It seems a whole lot harder to get enough guys to play a baseball game. But it only takes four kids to have a pickup basketball game."

More than convenience, African-American children see a greater reward in basketball and football. LeBron James didn't have to leave high school to play in basketball games televised on ESPN. In Division I college football and the NFL, African-Americans dominate the glamorous skill positions of running back, wide receiver, defensive back and, finally, quarterback.

The NCAA Final Four basketball tournament has become one of the biggest events in sports. When they're through with college, the best basketball and football players go straight to the top professional league.

College baseball games, however, aren't televised until the final rounds of the World Series. If an African-American child happens to tune in, he will be lucky to see more than one or two players of his skin color.

"When I scout college baseball games, I'm the only black in the stadium," Hill said. "And I go to Chicago. I go to St. Louis. It's very rare that you see African-Americans playing college baseball."

The star college baseball player goes straight to Elmira, N.Y., for the minor leagues. On a bus. With $15 a day meal money and an $850 a month salary.

"Baseball's just not as glamorous as the other sports," Goodwin said. "In baseball, you're drafted, and you're hot stuff for a couple minutes, and the next thing you know, you're gone. A couple years later, your buddies are going, whatever happened to that guy?' He went off to the minor leagues for a couple years. And little kids see that.

"You look at LeBron James: I don't think his situation hurts basketball, but as far as getting youths to play baseball, that's not going to help us."

Derrick Martin played shortstop and outfield in a Denver-area police athletic league from age 8 until 13, when he decided to specialize in football. An all-state senior cornerback at Thomas Jefferson High School, Martin will play football at the University of Wyoming next year.

"I like baseball; it was fun," Martin said. "But I wanted to concentrate on football. I thought I had a better future in football."

Plagued by poor facilities
True story. The spring blizzard, coupled with ballfield scheduling conflicts, forced the Denver Montbello High School baseball team to hold several hitting practice sessions this year in the school shower.

"We had two choices," said Montbello baseball coach Herb Sanders. "We either hit in the shower or we didn't hit."

Danny Hall is in his 10th year as the Georgia Tech baseball coach. Although the campus is in downtown Atlanta, Hall didn't sign his first inner-city player until this year, when he lured center fielder Avery Johnson.

Hall said the reason he hasn't recruited more from the inner city is because most of the Avery Johnsons are playing in the suburbs.

"The facilities in the inner city are bad," Hall said. "Nothing to where you say, 'Boy, that's awful,' but 30 miles out of town, Cobb County, every field you see is a castle. Compare it with what else is available in the metro area, and they seem a lot worse. I wish there was a solution."

Improving baseball facilities in the inner cities, however, can become a Catch-22. For years, the Rockies had a "Field of Dreams" program in which their highest- paid players donated enough money to build 49 state-of-the-art youth ballparks in the Denver metro area and beyond. The Rockies began tapering off the program two years ago, however, as they realized that the slogan "If you build it, they will come," may be fine with movies and ghosts, but it only goes so far in real life.

Questions of racism linger
Statistically, it's difficult to charge prejudice as a contributing factor to the decline of African-American ballplayers when the percentage of white major-league players also has dropped significantly.

Anecdotally, baseball can also present a strong defense by asking: Wasn't racism stronger in 1975, when 27 percent of big-league players were African-Americans, than in 2002, when there were 10 percent? Still, many African-American ballplayers can't look at baseball's 100 percent white ownership fraternity and not wonder if true equality exists, just like they can't forget what Dodgers vice president Al Campanis said 16 years ago about how blacks didn't have "the necessities" to manage. Nor can they forget that 10 years ago, Cincinnati owner Marge Schott referred to Davis and Dave Parker by using the N-word.

"There's no question that African-Americans believe racism is a factor in baseball," Lapchick said. "Whether it's a reasonable belief, I can't say. But I don't think, in this country's cultural climate, that Marge Schott was alone among owners when she shared her position on race."

More costs, fewer incentives
Sanders believes the nationwide epidemic of African-American children living in fatherless family environments has contributed to baseball's participation decline.

Lapchick said that while baseball has improved dramatically in hiring African-Americans for management positions, the perception remains there aren't many employment opportunities available to minorities after their playing days are finished.

Many of those interviewed believe the increasing financial commitment of youth baseball has chased away African-American children from the ball diamonds.

"It's getting to where it's almost like golf," Payton said.

For its part, Major League Baseball recognizes it is losing African-American ballplayers at an alarming rate. It started its Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities (RBI) program in 1989, and today 120,000 children, ages 13 through 18 from 185 cities, participate, according to Tom Brasuell, the commissioner's vice president for community affairs.

There are signs the RBI program is beginning to make a difference. Vic Darensbourg, a relief pitcher on the Colorado Rockies' disabled list, became the first RBI alumnus to reach the majors when he was called up by Florida in 1998.

"It's a good program because it gives kids another sport to love besides basketball and football," said Darensbourg, who played in a Los Angeles RBI league when he was 17. Perhaps confirming RBI's impact is the recent Lapchick report showing a significant increase in African-American players at the Division I college level, from 2.8 percent in 1999 to 6.7 percent in 2001.

Perhaps most promising is the academy Major League Baseball has financially committed to build in Los Angeles. It would be the first of its kind in the United States.

"There's no doubt in my mind that Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier in 1947 was the most powerful event of the 20th century in all of sports," said Bud Selig, baseball's commissioner. "And there's no question we are starting to see an evolution of the African-American ballplayers from what we had in the 1950s and '60s. We need to continue to make progress in promoting baseball to the inner-city kids. We've made progress, but we need more."

The problem with the RBI program and L.A. academy, however, is that they address teenagers. A critical time to capture interest is between the ages of 8 and 12, when most boys get over their fear of the hard, little ball and experience the kind of love that lasts a lifetime.

"Baseball, probably more than any other sport, is a game you have to love," Goodwin said. "How many people do you hear say, 'I don't like to watch baseball on TV'? You've got to go out and play it to develop a love for the game. I think it all starts with Little League. We need to have our black children playing Little League. It's kind of late to play baseball in high school."

Hill found out that recruiting junior high kids to baseball can be a waste of time. "I was at one of my 12-year-old son's basketball games this winter," Hill said. "And I was telling the kids, 'You guys should start focusing on baseball. It's the highest-paying sport, and all the black kids are playing basketball and football. With your athleticism, if you can pick up the baseball skills, you'd be able to skate to the big leagues.' And they all looked at me and went, 'Baseball?' Like I was crazy or something."

Quote/unquote
'There is no hip-hop in baseball. There is no histrionics in baseball. Baseball is more of a casual game. It moves along at its own pace. It doesn't jibe with the popular youth culture.' - Herb Sanders, Montbello High baseball coach

'I think part of the reason is the cost of organized baseball. You've got two or three kids in Little League, the cost of bats, ball, cleats and insurance, it's tough. It'll cost you $400, $500 a kid before it's over with. - Dusty Baker, Chicago Cubs manager

'If the talent is there, we'll find them. I've scouted games at Crenshaw High School. I've scouted Dorsey High School. But I can't tell you the last time I've been in there. Nobody's getting drafted out of there.' - Bill Schmidt, Colorado Rockies scout, who is white, on scouting in the inner cities, particularly southern Los Angeles

'Sports anymore, rarely do you see kids play three sports. They just focus on one and work year-round at it. That means baseball doesn't get the spillover it used to where the star football player or the stud basketball player used to play baseball in the spring just for the fun of it.' - Kevin Towers, San Diego Padres general manager

'(With basketball), anybody can play. All you need is a basketball and a hoop. You don't have to buy cleats, or buy a glove or buy a bat or come up with money to play in a league. Kids are playing year-round.' - Jay Payton, Rockies outfielder

'Why would you spend $3 million to sign one player in the first round when, for that same money, you can sign 100 kids from Latin America, have 15 of those make it to the big leagues and two or three become all-stars?' - Orsino Hill, Rockies scout
 
I'm going to speak on this. Being a baseball dad, I see a lot of different reasons why there are not more African American kids playing baseball. Some of them can be blanketed under racism, but most is general society. In what I've seen with my son, playing here in suburban ATL (Cobb County) parks are very political. The blacks that we have on teams don't get to play the best positions because of politics i.e. coach's sons or friends son playing spots or we're just stuck in the outfield because of our speed. And lord don't mention all-star teams, we're lucky if we get our token one.

This spring we played at an all black park in Fulton County and we still saw politics but of a different kind, a lot of disorganization. Also I noticed that we had a lot of talent, but we don't have the black men out there giving our children the guidance, that's a HUGE problem. Much props go to the men who take the time out of their busy schedules to VOLUNTEER to help guide our young men. But where are the men with a lot of baseball knowledge? A lot of these kids are being taught by people like me, I have a general knowledge of the game but as you get older you need specific knowledge. And yes some of our facilities suffer, (inner city HS fields).

We're making some inroads here, they're playing quality ball in DeKalb County, and some in Fulton, but still not on the level of that in East Cobb. But like the article stated, we're losing these guys around the teen level. The pressures are too hard to combat.

And Lord don't get me talking about equipment.... :bawling:
 



Originally posted by Bengal E
I'm going to speak on this. Being a baseball dad, I see a lot of different reasons why there are not more African American kids playing baseball. Some of them can be blanketed under racism, but most is general society. In what I've seen with my son, playing here in suburban ATL (Cobb County) parks are very political. The blacks that we have on teams don't get to play the best positions because of politics i.e. coach's sons or friends son playing spots or we're just stuck in the outfield because of our speed. And lord don't mention all-star teams, we're lucky if we get our token one.

This spring we played at an all black park in Fulton County and we still saw politics but of a different kind, a lot of disorganization. Also I noticed that we had a lot of talent, but we don't have the black men out there giving our children the guidance, that's a HUGE problem. Much props go to the men who take the time out of their busy schedules to VOLUNTEER to help guide our young men. But where are the men with a lot of baseball knowledge? A lot of these kids are being taught by people like me, I have a general knowledge of the game but as you get older you need specific knowledge. And yes some of our facilities suffer, (inner city HS fields).

We're making some inroads here, they're playing quality ball in DeKalb County, and some in Fulton, but still not on the level of that in East Cobb. But like the article stated, we're losing these guys around the teen level. The pressures are too hard to combat.

And Lord don't get me talking about equipment.... :bawling:

Not much I could say to dispute that. With much/most of the talent coming from the high school ranks, that could be the akillees heel. I still say we have all these HBCUs with baseball teams. Is that talent not good enough for MLB?? :confused:
 
Well ahh in most cases, no. Yes we have the most AA players, but a lot of them are not sound fundamentally. As with most sports @ HBCU's we have the raw talent, but we lack the facilities and other things to refine this talent. I'll betcha our best baseball areas can't stack up against most high school's stuff. You see like you said the best AA's are drafted out of HS and then the next go on and probably walk on @ a PWC.

Then look @ how we stack up when we play them, I think D2 PWC talent is not that far away and even sometimes better than D1 HBCU. Sure we get some draftees, but we're not producing like we should overall.

Sometimes I think it's just hard to get black folk interested in baseball.....:smh:
 
Originally posted by Bengal E
I'm going to speak on this. Being a baseball dad, I see a lot of different reasons why there are not more African American kids playing baseball. Some of them can be blanketed under racism, but most is general society. In what I've seen with my son, playing here in suburban ATL (Cobb County) parks are very political. The blacks that we have on teams don't get to play the best positions because of politics i.e. coach's sons or friends son playing spots or we're just stuck in the outfield because of our speed. And lord don't mention all-star teams, we're lucky if we get our token one.

This spring we played at an all black park in Fulton County and we still saw politics but of a different kind, a lot of disorganization. Also I noticed that we had a lot of talent, but we don't have the black men out there giving our children the guidance, that's a HUGE problem. Much props go to the men who take the time out of their busy schedules to VOLUNTEER to help guide our young men. But where are the men with a lot of baseball knowledge? A lot of these kids are being taught by people like me, I have a general knowledge of the game but as you get older you need specific knowledge. And yes some of our facilities suffer, (inner city HS fields).

We're making some inroads here, they're playing quality ball in DeKalb County, and some in Fulton, but still not on the level of that in East Cobb. But like the article stated, we're losing these guys around the teen level. The pressures are too hard to combat.

And Lord don't get me talking about equipment.... :bawling:

Bengal E,

I was totally dismayed by your commentary. The reason for this would be that these are some of the things that I had to deal with 21-25 years ago. Based on the percentages of AA in the major league, one could make a strong case that things have become progressively worse...........needless to say that this is an interesting topic.
 
Blacks in America just dont like to play sports where you cant score a lot of points in.....
 
Originally posted by DAHILL
Blacks in America just dont like to play sports where you cant score a lot of points in.....

Points scored is not the issue. There are more runs scored now than it has ever been in the modern era. The problem is marketing. Baseball cards were a big thing when I was growing up. Besides having our favorite players, it introduced you to players who did noot play on your hometown team. Baseball was the most affordable game to attend for friends, family, or a group outing. Now parking alone can cost you $20. Games used to be televised on local tv stations. Today, if you don't have cable, you will miss the majority of the season. They have lost the common appeal.
 
Originally posted by northern tiger
Points scored is not the issue. There are more runs scored now than it has ever been in the modern era. The problem is marketing. Baseball cards were a big thing when I was growing up. Besides having our favorite players, it introduced you to players who did noot play on your hometown team. Baseball was the most affordable game to attend for friends, family, or a group outing. Now parking alone can cost you $20. Games used to be televised on local tv stations. Today, if you don't have cable, you will miss the majority of the season. They have lost the common appeal.

To add to what NT stated, when I was younger, black kids would walk around with transiter radios listening to pro baseball games and buy bubble gum to collect the cards. Nowadays this practice is just as prehistoric as the dinosaur.
 
Put a baseball field in every black neighborhood and I promise you there would be more Barry Bonds, Rickey Hendersons, Ken Griffeys and ect......,

Believe it or not many of these kids don't know how to play baseball because they simply have never played it......,At many of these community centers, the only thing they offer is basketball for recreation, cheerleading, and football........,

I dare Tiger Woods to leave some golf clubs in any black neighborhood in America or Venus and Serena to start AAU tennis in any black neighborhood. There will be a whole generation of Tiger Woods and Williams Sisters....,
 
Originally posted by BulldogM.Ed.23
Put a baseball field in every black neighborhood and I promise you there would be more Barry Bonds, Rickey Hendersons, Ken Griffeys and ect......,

Believe it or not many of these kids don't know how to play baseball because they simply have never played it......,At many of these community centers, the only thing they offer is basketball for recreation, cheerleading, and football........,

I dare Tiger Woods to leave some golf clubs in any black neighborhood in America or Venus and Serena to start AAU tennis in any black neighborhood. There will be a whole generation of Tiger Woods and Williams Sisters....,

In Huntsville when I was growing up... EVERY young Black person wanted to play baseball... in All Star we use to beat the hell out of white leagues.... now the two predominately Black baseball leagues are about to fold because nobody signs up anymore... Northern League (Stoner Field) and Lakewood League (Lakewood Park).... young Blacks just care about football and basketball here.
 
Originally posted by BulldogM.Ed.23
Put a baseball field in every black neighborhood and I promise you there would be more Barry Bonds, Rickey Hendersons, Ken Griffeys and ect......,

Believe it or not many of these kids don't know how to play baseball because they simply have never played it......,At many of these community centers, the only thing they offer is basketball for recreation, cheerleading, and football........,

I dare Tiger Woods to leave some golf clubs in any black neighborhood in America or Venus and Serena to start AAU tennis in any black neighborhood. There will be a whole generation of Tiger Woods and Williams Sisters....,

Yes Sir!!!!!!!! Facts
 
Originally posted by Bengal E
Well ahh in most cases, no. Yes we have the most AA players, but a lot of them are not sound fundamentally. As with most sports @ HBCU's we have the raw talent, but we lack the facilities and other things to refine this talent. I'll betcha our best baseball areas can't stack up against most high school's stuff. You see like you said the best AA's are drafted out of HS and then the next go on and probably walk on @ a PWC.

Then look @ how we stack up when we play them, I think D2 PWC talent is not that far away and even sometimes better than D1 HBCU. Sure we get some draftees, but we're not producing like we should overall.

Sometimes I think it's just hard to get black folk interested in baseball.....:smh:

First I would ask, how in the heck did blacks have such a hey day (in the 70s in MLB) if we don't like baseball?

It's almost like these things go in cycles or proggressions. The "minority group" in this country have all gone through the sports rotation. Blacks took over boxing,,, but now hispanics, etc are taking over the non-heavy weight divisions,, the heavy weight division is probably next. Baseball, as in this ESPN piece, is being "taken over" by non-American people of color. Even basketball, the sport in which I'd say the black athlete is at his zenith, is seeing more and more foreign players.

Maybe this is the "settling out" of blacks in baseball because blacks, like whites, are moving up/on to the business/ownership (well, not owning,, but working for ownership) side of things.
 
Facilities, equipment and the knowledge of the game is not there. Baseball is one of those sports you have to really start playing it at a young age to be proficient in it. There are a few that can get into it late and their athleticism can get them involved. It's not like basketball or football where you can start playing it late and succeed. When I grew up we all played baseball before any other sport that was out there. Baseball was #1, we followed the local team and would play pick up games and in the local park leagues all summer long. Do they still have baseball leagues in your local public park? The inner city doesn't get that money anymore to keep good facilites and provide bats, gloves & balls for them. I know my son plays baseball and loves it, but I pay a pretty penny to have him involve with the sports association in my area. Bats, gloves and other equipment cost and getting someone that can teach the kids the fundamentals is getting harder to do. He's fortunate that I volunteer as a coach and we have several others that do too that know the game and teach it to them well. We have good facilities and do travel to participate in tournaments all over and that cost more money too.

If you look at things now, you don't get the same opportunities as you do in the other sports. Schools sponsor football and basketball in the middle & Jr high schools, but don't sponsor baseball until high school and by that time if you never played you can't really do it.

Major league baseball have almost abandoned helping the inner cities with any help in promoting their sport. They have all these baseball academies in the latin countries to harvest their talents for the game. If you take that and the suburban kids you can see how the makeup of players are white and hispanic.
 
Originally posted by Fiyah
Facilities, equipment and the knowledge of the game is not there. Baseball is one of those sports you have to really start playing it at a young age to be proficient in it. There are a few that can get into it late and their athleticism can get them involved. It's not like basketball or football where you can start playing it late and succeed. When I grew up we all played baseball before any other sport that was out there. Baseball was #1, we followed the local team and would play pick up games and in the local park leagues all summer long. Do they still have baseball leagues in your local public park? The inner city doesn't get that money anymore to keep good facilites and provide bats, gloves & balls for them. I know my son plays baseball and loves it, but I pay a pretty penny to have him involve with the sports association in my area. Bats, gloves and other equipment cost and getting someone that can teach the kids the fundamentals is getting harder to do. He's fortunate that I volunteer as a coach and we have several others that do too that know the game and teach it to them well. We have good facilities and do travel to participate in tournaments all over and that cost more money too.

If you look at things now, you don't get the same opportunities as you do in the other sports. Schools sponsor football and basketball in the middle & Jr high schools, but don't sponsor baseball until high school and by that time if you never played you can't really do it.

Major league baseball have almost abandoned helping the inner cities with any help in promoting their sport. They have all these baseball academies in the latin countries to harvest their talents for the game. If you take that and the suburban kids you can see how the makeup of players are white and hispanic.

Well, one point in the ESPN article was that the MLB is shifting focus to foreign countries, plus the inner cities are the domain of basketball almost exclussively.
 
African Americans in Baseball

Why do you folks think the numbers are so low compared to the other sports?
 



Thats a good question, jelli. One that I have often wondered my self. I don't think its just any one particular reason. I think it is a number of factors involved:

Lack of Little League, Pony League, etc. in the Black community. (This also requires a lot of parental involvement, which maybe a lot of black parents don't have the time to do.)

Baseball is a slow moving sport, and maybe it does not appeal to the average black youth.

I don't think baseball is promoted in the Black community like the other sports. (Everybody wants to "be like Mike" )

I am sure there are other factors involved.
 
Originally posted by TSU/BAMA
Thats a good question, jelli. One that I have often wondered my self. I don't think its just any one particular reason. I think it is a number of factors involved:

Lack of Little League, Pony League, etc. in the Black community. (This also requires a lot of parental involvement, which maybe a lot of black parents don't have the time to do.)

Baseball is a slow moving sport, and maybe it does not appeal to the average black youth.

I don't think baseball is promoted in the Black community like the other sports. (Everybody wants to "be like Mike" )

I am sure there are other factors involved.
I asked this on another baoard and the response I got was that it was also a money thing. I someone earlier in this pos said it. I know most black schools put most of their dollars is football.
 
Very good discussion here. I think Bengal E hit it on the head regarding volunteers helping the kids play. I think back to my childhood days in a very small town, we had dozens of teams from each different community in various age groups. Tee ball league, little league, middle league, pony league and semi-pro. From late spring through summer there was plenty of baseball to be played. But we had men who were willing to dedicate themselves and their time to us. Men who would work full shifts and then coach.

We weren't that organized, but we played ball. It wasn't until the year I finished little league that they actually organized an official league to compete in the state playoffs. 1st year, they finished 3rd in the State. Next year they won the state tourney and finished 4th in a national regional in N. C. Small town boys who could play ball and had had men willing to volunteer their time. Thinking back, those guys did a lot for us. And they didn't get much back in return, except the satisfaction of winning games and seeing us enjoy ourselves.

When I played, we were so disorganized, I didn't know when we had games. It wasn't unusual for a truck to pull up outside our house and honk the horn. I peek out and coach has a truck load of kids yelling "we got a game, come on." Just like that, I was off to play ball. But somewhere along the line, we lost interest in making sure those following us had the same opportunities that we had. I won't coach a pee wee league football team now because I know they play on Saturdays and I'd rather be where ever JSU is tailgating all day.

Money and facilities play a part, but if small town blue collar men can make it happen for us, I know that we can make it happen if we really wanted to. Kids will participate in anything, as long as it's fun. Baseball is fun to play.
 
Robber, what you said about your experiences playing baseball in your small town is so true. I had a similar experience when I was growing up in a small town in Alabama.

Well, guess what, my high school in my home town in Alabama does not even field a baseball team anymore. Have not had one for a number of years now. Only have basketball and football teams. :smh:

And you know, now that I think about it, I don't even see kids playing pickup (I guess thats the right word) baseball or softball in my home town anymore. We played it all the time when I was a kid growing up there.
 
Originally posted by TSU/BAMA
Lack of Little League, Pony League, etc. in the Black community. (This also requires a lot of parental involvement, which maybe a lot of black parents don't have the time to do.)

Baseball is a slow moving sport, and maybe it does not appeal to the average black youth.

I don't think baseball is promoted in the Black community like the other sports. (Everybody wants to "be like Mike" )

Yeah, the first one is very key.

I would pose another theory; perhaps it is that baseball is not as "macho"/glamorous as football and basketball.

Football is the (or was when I was a young lad) ultimate macho, tuff guy sport complete with the cheerleader (women) paradigmn. Black youth are growing up seeing the virtually all black NFL, major college and their high school football team/stars and are attracted.

Basketball is the ultimate glamor sport especially in the black community. Just think about all the highlights of black basketball players slam dunking, blind passes, alley-oopin',, on and on and on,, plus mix in the music/HH tied in with Basketball. There is the chearleader (women) paradigmn here also

In these two sports, there is plenty of opportunity for blacks to showboat, which we love to do for some reason. Maybe this is the mass appeal.

Quite the contrary in baseball. No cheerleaders, not too much showboating ops, although "we" can showboat doing anything successful,, but generally not the type showboating and flamboyance thrives in baseball as in the other two. Maybe this is the attraction to the masses of blacks. Just another theory on the table.
 
Baseball growing up.

When I played baseball in high school, there were very few black guys. That was the only time in my life I chewed chewing tobacco (Redman and Bloodhound) and dipped snuff (Skoal). Nobody ever came to our games but white folks and the father of the black players MAYBE. The girlfriends of the white guys used to be in the stands RELIGIOUSLY rooting the team on. Never saw many sistas. It was not an environment that was popular among black students at that time.

Even at Tuskegee nobody knows that the baseball team was a perennial power. Football gets all the run.
 
The question that I have to ask is why would the percentage of blacks in baseball be much higher than the percentage of blacks in the country? Last time I bothered to look the 'black' population was about 13% or so. If you want to see a sport where blacks are under represented look at my sport soccer.

Before someone says something about ghettos or inner city school, look around the world at how many world class players come from that sort of place.
 
I live in Little Rock, not a big city, but the biggest in this state. No inner city junior high/middle schools have baseball teams. Starting early was a good point. To get the mental feel of the game you have to start early. The only thing you can do around here until your child reaches high school is join teeny, little and pony leagues. Which does cost money to join and requires commitment from the parent to at least get your child to the game. I'm a young man and this is how I grew up in baseball and I remember everyone of my coaches hated having someone on the team that the chances of them of showing up are 50/50. Further, there are only 4 organized ballparks to play in these leagues in the greater Little Rock area. Sandlots??? What are those??? Although you cant go 5 feet without seeing a basketball court for just anyone to walk up and play on.

And why, me being a poor neglected soul of a teenager would baseball appeal to me when I can be Lebron James and sign $90 million Nike contracts without playing a single minute in the NBA. Baseball is a blue collar sport, you cant start on top, you've gotta grind it out and prove you're the man. I cant recall any American baseball player, black or white, goin straight to the Majors. Hell, first round draft picks usually are in the minors at least 1 or 2 years before they see a major league game.
 
Originally posted by Reb UT '70
The question that I have to ask is why would the percentage of blacks in baseball be much higher than the percentage of blacks in the country? Last time I bothered to look the 'black' population was about 13% or so. If you want to see a sport where blacks are under represented look at my sport soccer.

Before someone says something about ghettos or inner city school, look around the world at how many world class players come from that sort of place.

I would put soccer in the same league as baseball; not your glamorous/macho sport relative to football and basketball. Plus I think with soccer it's also a cultural thing. Soccer is more international/third-world. Basketball, baseball and football are almost uniquely American, so that gets overwhelming exposure. We did play soccer (along with tether ball, rugby, etc) in elementary and that was back in the 70s. I see plenty of soccer fields now driving around Montgomery and even in my small town home town. In Montgomery I think many white people have flocked to soccer and baseball and given up on football and basketball. This is partly because of the proliferation of private schools though.
 
yeap.

Originally posted by KRANKin98
I live in Little Rock, not a big city, but the biggest in this state. No inner city junior high/middle schools have baseball teams. Starting early was a good point. To get the mental feel of the game you have to start early. The only thing you can do around here until your child reaches high school is join teeny, little and pony leagues. Which does cost money to join and requires commitment from the parent to at least get your child to the game. I'm a young man and this is how I grew up in baseball and I remember everyone of my coaches hated having someone on the team that the chances of them of showing up are 50/50. Further, there are only 4 organized ballparks to play in these leagues in the greater Little Rock area. Sandlots??? What are those??? Although you cant go 5 feet without seeing a basketball court for just anyone to walk up and play on.

And why, me being a poor neglected soul of a teenager would baseball appeal to me when I can be Lebron James and sign $90 million Nike contracts without playing a single minute in the NBA. Baseball is a blue collar sport, you cant start on top, you've gotta grind it out and prove you're the man. I cant recall any American baseball player, black or white, goin straight to the Majors. Hell, first round draft picks usually are in the minors at least 1 or 2 years before they see a major league game.

That's the bottom line. The money associated with the NBA, the glamor, the women and the same in the NFL. You make an excellent point about baseball being a blue collar sport also. I don't think baseball is as "free-style" as football and basketball either. "We" tend to love free-styling (again, where showboating is more easily incorporated), it seems, more so than grind it out/disciplined sports.
 
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