I saw this post on Thursday afternoon. My soul emoted immediately. The Holy Spirit - the One that JayRob claims to not need - spoke to me and asked me what I was fretting about. "You need to forgive JayRob". I agreed, and I went outside to cut some limbs out of an oak tree since refuse pickup is on Friday. After I sawed the limbs, my wife came outside and complimented me on how much better the tree looked. "You need to help JayRob look better," is what I heard. "Don't cut him up; but help him to be seen more clearly - like the tree". So, here goes.
What do you need to forgive me for? For telling the truth? As far as cutting me up, I think I've already done that to a number of your postings, not intentionally, but naturally.
JayRob, as student of ancient religions who has made a point of telling us multiple times in numerous threads that the Bible is plagiarized, copying from other religions and writings that preceeded it, can you tell us whether any of the above destructive paths were already integrated into full religious practice before Abram left Ur of the Chaldees? If they were being done prior to that time, then something other than Christianity brought them on.
Some of those practices
were committed by pagans, but your Bible clearly show that the Old Testament god ordered the slaughter of women, children and infants. Do you not deny that?
Was the Old Testamen god influenced by pagans to the point where he practiced their rituals of death? We all know the answer to that question.
You should get out more. What medical/scientific evidence would one expect to find of a spirit? What actually happens is that the scientists/medical experts who encounter the situation simply say "there is no scientific/chemical explanation for it". They are just considered phenomena.
There's no evidence that one would find to counteract the ignorant fables and fairytales believed by ancient Middle East nomads who thought and taught that diseases were caused by evil spirits because it never existed and doesn't exist today.
It just goes to show you that those ignorant folks had no knowledge of microscopic germs such bacteria and viruses.
Modern science show microscopic germs are the culprits of physical diseases, not evil spirits, as taught in the Bible.
By the way, not one time does the Bible mention microscopic germs. Why would an all-knowing god deprive his people of such important knowledge? I'll tell you why, it's because he never existed, therefore he couldn't tell the ignorant authors of the Bible about them. It's as simple as that. THIS is why those nomads knew little to nothing about bacteria and viruses.
Not...YET. There is one very large pre-req to any of those things mentioned: the preaching of the gospel in all the world. If you want to really find out whether the Bible is right about those things, help me to satisfy the pre-req.
What gospel are you referring to? There are 30,000 Christian denominations in the world? Do you care to tell me which one is preaching the so-called TRUE gospel that this Jesus supposedly talked about?
First of all, what had Eve and Adam done? They leaped into sin and could no longer eat from the tree of life because they would be locked into sin. If they had only obeyed [sigh]. So, now bringing forth life would be painful. What would be the purpose of making it painful? What would be the purpose of the multiple conceptions? Perhaps a reminder or two or five or six.
Adam would also be responsible for her IN EVERY WAY and she would long for him. [I will not touch the restriction of women by some religions at this point. JayRob will respond to the points at the beginning of this posting.] As for women speaking in the church...Romans 16, penned by Paul after his letters to Corinth, is full of commendations for women who spoke in church. Titus is instructed by Paul to ensure that the older women teach the younger. And what of all these giftings - prophecy, the word of knowledge, the word of wisdom, speaking with tongues, the laying on of hands, etc. - that were given to women? Were they endowed with these and then prohibited from exercising them? Was Paul speaking to a specific situation in Corinth? Would a woman have to ask her husband before functioning? What was an unmarried woman to do? Was Paul schizophrenic as he wrote from his confinement? Did God change His mind? Was this one of thos biblical contradictions?
I see you didn't put up much of an argument about the Old Testament god's disdain for women, and YES, there's blatant contradiction in Paul's writings just as there is throughout the Bible.
Here are a few examples of how women are demeaned....
--If a women failed to yell why she was being raped, she should be killed. Yes, that's in the Old Testament.
--A woman was considered property in the Old Testament and could be bought for a few shekels.....WITHOUT her consent.
--No women were appointed as apostles, yet a male thief and liar was.
--1 Corinthians 11:3: "...Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God".
Women, you BETTER obey your man or you'll go to hell and burn forever and ever and ever.
--1 Corinthians 11:7-9:"For a man...is the image and glory of God; but
woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."
These verses imply that a woman is not god's glory, but the man is. WOW!!
--1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "...
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
WOMEN, KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT IN CHURCH UNTIL YOU GET HOME. LOL!!
--Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...
wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Yes, its says, EVERYTHING!!!
--1 Timothy 2:11-15:"
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man;
she must be silent..." WOMEN SHOULD LEARN IN FULL SUBMISSION AND REMAIN SILENT. LOL!! WOW!!!!
--1 Timothy 3:2: "Now the overseer must be above reproach,
the husband of but one wife..."
--1 Timothy 3:8: "Deacons
likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere..."
This would seem to imply that all overseers (bishops) and deacons must be male.
For the sake of overkill, I'll stop right there.
What you miss by not having the Holy Spirit is knowing [yada] the Bible. It's just not enough to know about it.
I know enough to realize how contradictory, how untrue and how flawed it's teachings and contents are. No need for a holy spirit for that.
