mighty hornet
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GR,
Dickerson went 2-9! And he did not finish in 2nd place either year.
Dickerson went 2-9! And he did not finish in 2nd place either year.
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Blacknbengal
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But, he recruited the talent that Coles played with? What talent did Coles recruit??
Olde Hornet
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Why is it that some people on this message board cannot tell the difference between the "The SMACK Board" and "The Sports Board"? :uhoh: 
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The time was not right for ASU to make that move, Watkins is correct; the University was in transition.
GOOD LUCK TO N.C. A & T. I want at least one HBCU to make the move to the next level. The rules are changing and the major conferences are making it harder to move up and have access to the BIG money. Marshall University successfully made the move and Troy State is looking good, but it?s too early to say they are a success. It requires deep pockets that most universities don?t have during these tight economic times. Watkins will have to find external money to make it a success. GOOD LUCK AGGIES!
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:uhoh: The time was not right for ASU to make that move, Watkins is correct; the University was in transition.
GOOD LUCK TO N.C. A & T. I want at least one HBCU to make the move to the next level. The rules are changing and the major conferences are making it harder to move up and have access to the BIG money. Marshall University successfully made the move and Troy State is looking good, but it?s too early to say they are a success. It requires deep pockets that most universities don?t have during these tight economic times. Watkins will have to find external money to make it a success. GOOD LUCK AGGIES!
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J C
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UAB will also revert back to D1A. The governing board has given them an ultimatum. South Alabama elected not to pursue a football program because of the prohibitive cost. Troy might make it by enticing HBCUs (A&M) to come play at their stadium to satisfy the NCAA requirements. Watkins is no billionaire (See last year edition of Forbes Magazine) His money is projected for the next 50 years. Please let us know when he makes a contribution to A&T
Get Ready
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MH...Youre playing dumb. I know you are not dumb, but you are playing dumb. Dickerson finished 2-9 when Kennedy broke his foot. Kennedy broke his foot right before the season, so Dickerson didnt have a chance to replace him. I believe he even had to change his whole offense.
On top of that he didnt play Miles, MoB, SS, and UTC
blah blah blah blah blah
You are in last place....if that makes you happy, GREAT.
Going 6-6 while playing a garbage schedule is just like being 2-9.
unknown
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Watkins love the media, but i'm yet to see him make a real move towards ANY of the things he's been claiming he's gonna do. What happened with the purchase of the pro baseball team? The years he was at ASU springing up this idea with ALL that money he has, how much of it did he try to donate out of his own pocket? :smh::smh: And on top of that, they're talking about moving to Conference USA...where damn near all of the teams there aren't even breaking even as far as expenses go. What is there to gain there? I could see if he was talking about joining a BCS eligible conference, but dayum. 
They aren't even guaranteed a bowl bid. How many more sports, both men and women, will they have to add? What was their attendance without counting classics? I just hope they dont let Watkins drive em down a hole. With all the crooked isht he tried to pull at State, I wouldn't trust him enough to let him water my plant.
They aren't even guaranteed a bowl bid. How many more sports, both men and women, will they have to add? What was their attendance without counting classics? I just hope they dont let Watkins drive em down a hole. With all the crooked isht he tried to pull at State, I wouldn't trust him enough to let him water my plant.
Bartram
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GOOD STUFF!!!! GO AGGIES!!!!
As an A&T grad, I am EXTREMELY PLEASED with this development. OUTSTANDING!!!!!
I have been the lone wolf (or one of very few) on this forum pounding the podium for an HBCU move to Div I-A. I was 100% behind the ASU/Watkins venture that did not pan out. I'm 200% behind any Watkins/NCA&T venture!
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AGGIE PRIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!
I was going to post on this subject but found this thread. Thanks for answering my question. I got an email from a guy(that went to UA and has no HBCU ties) that mentioned this and I haven't heard this story until now. Here's excerpts from the email. Note the comments in hear about Montgomery/ASU,,, couldn't agree more with the assessment, but oh well,, since I now have a dog in the hunt,
>From: "Bartram"
> Montgomery,,,, what can I say. Montgomery has stuffed a sock in "Bartram's" mouth and silenced my butt BIG TIME!!!!!
Me, too. With the recent flurry of activity, Montgomery is pulling into the same category as larger metropolitan areas Huntsville-Decatur and Mobile-Baldwin, in terms of "stuff to do." In some ways, Montgomery is already second only to Birmingham among Alabama cities in terms of being well-rounded (zoo, parks/river, downtown,cultural attractions like the Shakespeare Festival, similar shopping and dining options as Huntsville and Mobile etc). The one missed opportunity in the last year or so down in the Capital City was Alabama State's decision not to move up to I-A. There's a lot of buzz now about North Carolina A&T moving up. That spotlight could've been Montgomery's/ASU's, instead. Even so, I look forward to visiting Montgomery again, after some of these attractions are built. I hope the state will go ahead and widen US82 like they've been promising for decades, so it won't take so dadgum long once I get to the Prattville area. Many Tuscaloosans still drive up to Hoover then down, just to take the interstate to get to Montgomery, even though the route is 35 or so miles longer.
As an A&T grad, I am EXTREMELY PLEASED with this development. OUTSTANDING!!!!!
I have been the lone wolf (or one of very few) on this forum pounding the podium for an HBCU move to Div I-A. I was 100% behind the ASU/Watkins venture that did not pan out. I'm 200% behind any Watkins/NCA&T venture!
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AGGIE PRIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!
I was going to post on this subject but found this thread. Thanks for answering my question. I got an email from a guy(that went to UA and has no HBCU ties) that mentioned this and I haven't heard this story until now. Here's excerpts from the email. Note the comments in hear about Montgomery/ASU,,, couldn't agree more with the assessment, but oh well,, since I now have a dog in the hunt,
>From: "Bartram"
> Montgomery,,,, what can I say. Montgomery has stuffed a sock in "Bartram's" mouth and silenced my butt BIG TIME!!!!!
Me, too. With the recent flurry of activity, Montgomery is pulling into the same category as larger metropolitan areas Huntsville-Decatur and Mobile-Baldwin, in terms of "stuff to do." In some ways, Montgomery is already second only to Birmingham among Alabama cities in terms of being well-rounded (zoo, parks/river, downtown,cultural attractions like the Shakespeare Festival, similar shopping and dining options as Huntsville and Mobile etc). The one missed opportunity in the last year or so down in the Capital City was Alabama State's decision not to move up to I-A. There's a lot of buzz now about North Carolina A&T moving up. That spotlight could've been Montgomery's/ASU's, instead. Even so, I look forward to visiting Montgomery again, after some of these attractions are built. I hope the state will go ahead and widen US82 like they've been promising for decades, so it won't take so dadgum long once I get to the Prattville area. Many Tuscaloosans still drive up to Hoover then down, just to take the interstate to get to Montgomery, even though the route is 35 or so miles longer.
Bartram
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Troy State: Old Hornet,,,
,, you should see Troy State's magnificent stadium expansion. it's going to be a horseshoe and i think this phase will get it up to 25-30K. ,,, yeah, yeah and I know everybody will pile on hear with the, "expansion? why? they don't attend their games in the existing stadium" blasts,,,, but we'll see how things work out over the next 5-10 years bring in folks like Marshal, ECU, probably Georgia Southern, South Florida, ASU (yeah, yall give them their best gates), FAMU (yall too), on and on.
say what you will about TSU,, those guys are in the midst of some power moves and I'm so glad. I want to see a Troy State vs LaTech or San Diego State or Wyoming match up and see Troy State get into a conference,, either C-USA or a Div I-A conference with South Florida et al.
,, you should see Troy State's magnificent stadium expansion. it's going to be a horseshoe and i think this phase will get it up to 25-30K. ,,, yeah, yeah and I know everybody will pile on hear with the, "expansion? why? they don't attend their games in the existing stadium" blasts,,,, but we'll see how things work out over the next 5-10 years bring in folks like Marshal, ECU, probably Georgia Southern, South Florida, ASU (yeah, yall give them their best gates), FAMU (yall too), on and on.
say what you will about TSU,, those guys are in the midst of some power moves and I'm so glad. I want to see a Troy State vs LaTech or San Diego State or Wyoming match up and see Troy State get into a conference,, either C-USA or a Div I-A conference with South Florida et al.
Bartram
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Good info JC
L.C. talks a good one. This is intriguing stuff! How does Donald Watkins expect to just waltz into A&T, bring in "his coach" and help move A&T to Div I-A??? :spin: This is great stuff! I need to go research this and get more info on what the feelings are at A&T!
L.C. talks a good one. This is intriguing stuff! How does Donald Watkins expect to just waltz into A&T, bring in "his coach" and help move A&T to Div I-A??? :spin: This is great stuff! I need to go research this and get more info on what the feelings are at A&T!
Olde Hornet
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Bartram - I am aware of the stadium expansion. What I am not aware of is the finances for the sports department. I know UAB is having big money problems, but the TSU money situation has been kept very quiet. Most state Universities are being squeezed by State budget shortfalls and that situation does not look like it will turn around anytime soon.
Bartram
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OHornet, mixed info on that.
I was speculating that UAB would disband, but some of my economic development cohearts tell me that UAB has key alumni with deep pockets that support UAB football.
As for Troy, they are not as well endowed (at least I don't think, I could be wrong on that) as UAB, but I don't see how they would move forward with all of their athletic improvements if money was a problem. They are going to face some challenges in terms of state budgets, but what I believe will get Troy over the hump is community and local business support and the support of the city of Troy. The people in Troy (and to a lesser extent, the Wiregrass,, that is, the entire southeastern corner of Alabama) buy into Troy State/Troy State football and support it. I work in Pike county(basically Troy) and football season is a big deal at the plant. We get Troy's schedule and our company gets blocks of tickets that are drawn for Troy State games.
Do you think we get any tickets for Alabama State games???? Nope, but that's not fair; after all, my plant is in Pike County/Troy, so you would expect TSU to be the center of attention (but I bet if TSU was in Montgomery and ASU was in Troy and my plant was in Troy, my plant would be handing out tickets to TSU games in Montgomery,,, but i'm not going to get into that). Are there promotionals and embracing of ASU in Montgomery/Montgomery business community, or is it basically Auburn? I won't even go into Tuskegee. The only folk that support Tuskegee and Alabama State for that matter is black folk/HBCU alumns in the area. Do companies in Montgomery buy blocks of tickets to ASU games? How bout Tuskegee? Hell, there ain't even no big companies in Tuskegee to do so that I know of! On the other hand, Wiley Sanders, my company and others do in Troy for Troy State,,, not to mention KEY big doner support from Richard Scrushy (CEO of HealthSouth and big doner to UAB, who's wife is a TSU grad I believe). I think this is what will get Troy over the hump; community and local business support along with whatever state support is available.
I was speculating that UAB would disband, but some of my economic development cohearts tell me that UAB has key alumni with deep pockets that support UAB football.
As for Troy, they are not as well endowed (at least I don't think, I could be wrong on that) as UAB, but I don't see how they would move forward with all of their athletic improvements if money was a problem. They are going to face some challenges in terms of state budgets, but what I believe will get Troy over the hump is community and local business support and the support of the city of Troy. The people in Troy (and to a lesser extent, the Wiregrass,, that is, the entire southeastern corner of Alabama) buy into Troy State/Troy State football and support it. I work in Pike county(basically Troy) and football season is a big deal at the plant. We get Troy's schedule and our company gets blocks of tickets that are drawn for Troy State games.
Do you think we get any tickets for Alabama State games???? Nope, but that's not fair; after all, my plant is in Pike County/Troy, so you would expect TSU to be the center of attention (but I bet if TSU was in Montgomery and ASU was in Troy and my plant was in Troy, my plant would be handing out tickets to TSU games in Montgomery,,, but i'm not going to get into that). Are there promotionals and embracing of ASU in Montgomery/Montgomery business community, or is it basically Auburn? I won't even go into Tuskegee. The only folk that support Tuskegee and Alabama State for that matter is black folk/HBCU alumns in the area. Do companies in Montgomery buy blocks of tickets to ASU games? How bout Tuskegee? Hell, there ain't even no big companies in Tuskegee to do so that I know of! On the other hand, Wiley Sanders, my company and others do in Troy for Troy State,,, not to mention KEY big doner support from Richard Scrushy (CEO of HealthSouth and big doner to UAB, who's wife is a TSU grad I believe). I think this is what will get Troy over the hump; community and local business support along with whatever state support is available.
unknown
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I dont think Troy State's fan support will get any bigger than it has been already. I'm curious to see how they're gonna make ends to pay for that stadium without State on the schedule. I noticed they tried to get state back on schedule this year, i'm glad they turned em down. It isn't like they ever brought more than 100 fans to Montgomery anyway. If they don't join a conference soon, their attendance is going to be even worse. At least when they were D-IAA, some of the schools they played had a pretty decent following, including the ASU game which set their attendance record TWICE. As far Nebraska, Mississippi State, and others bringing fans to Troy....dunno about that one. As for Watkins....all I can say is
Bartram
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One point you leave out.
First, we both know why Troy State didn't travel to Montgomery to ASU games:
First, we both know why Troy State didn't travel to Montgomery to ASU games:
- They considered it an easy win and didn't feel the trip was worth it. (i'm not trying to start nothing with ASUers. I'm speaking historically here. to the suprise of many, some of the games were competitive.)
- There was "all the crime" around Crampton Bowl. (translation? the surrounding community was too black, too close to the projects, just like Legion Field.)
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As for Troy, i'm not so sure ASU had way more fans there than TSU. Just because there are a lot of black folk don't mean all the black folk are ASU fans. As I have said many times, usually when there is a black college playing, black people from the community and area come for the social aspect. FAMU did, but I don't know about ASU at the games I went to.
We will see what happens to their attendance, especially if they are more competitive.
As for Watkins,,,, yeah, you right,,, he has been all talk so far, but I commend the man for at least planting the seed. Just as I said when ASU dropped the move to Div I-A, other schools were taking notes and it would not be long before they realized (ESPECIALLY if ASU had pulled it off) that, hey, if ASU can do it, we sure as hell can (errrr, SU, FAMU, NCA&T, Howard, TNState).
Olde Hornet
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Bartram - UAB is under serious pressure to end football. Based on what I have read, it will take some deep pockets to save the program. The battle lines are the old ones academics and those who don?t believe the major sports belong on a college campus vs. students and alumni that support college sports.
TSU has to do everything it can to reach attendance requirements. They are pushing hard to maintain those numbers. If ASU would have moved to the next level, they would have to do the same types things to get the required numbers. Are you getting tickets for the basketball games (BTW ? Troy looks good this year ? should go to the NCAAs for their conference) at your plant? If money gets tight and any academic programs are threaten, TSU will end up with the classic internal University battle.
I think the key for Troy State is for them is to get into a conference. They did make a lot of money last year by playing the big boys and I think that?s how they will finance their program in the near term.
I do disagree with your assessment of TSU fans that travel. It appears that they have a small loyal group that travels, but they won?t bring a crowd to any game. Just look at their games last season with UAB & FAMU, also in the distant past when they played Jacksonville State and Samford. Unfortunately for them, they don?t have a big rivalry in football. They should make the TSU / UAB the game of the season, I think they will make that happen if they can get a long term deal with UAB, that?s key for survival of Big Time football at both schools.
As the member on this board living in the Philadelphia area, I would be remiss if I did not post this:
GO EAGLES!
TSU has to do everything it can to reach attendance requirements. They are pushing hard to maintain those numbers. If ASU would have moved to the next level, they would have to do the same types things to get the required numbers. Are you getting tickets for the basketball games (BTW ? Troy looks good this year ? should go to the NCAAs for their conference) at your plant? If money gets tight and any academic programs are threaten, TSU will end up with the classic internal University battle.
I think the key for Troy State is for them is to get into a conference. They did make a lot of money last year by playing the big boys and I think that?s how they will finance their program in the near term.
I do disagree with your assessment of TSU fans that travel. It appears that they have a small loyal group that travels, but they won?t bring a crowd to any game. Just look at their games last season with UAB & FAMU, also in the distant past when they played Jacksonville State and Samford. Unfortunately for them, they don?t have a big rivalry in football. They should make the TSU / UAB the game of the season, I think they will make that happen if they can get a long term deal with UAB, that?s key for survival of Big Time football at both schools.
As the member on this board living in the Philadelphia area, I would be remiss if I did not post this:
GO EAGLES!
unknown
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It was an easy win, and that's why they didn't travel? You canNOT be serious? Is that why they didn't travel to Mobile to play the FAMU team that had beaten them twice before? Or is that the reason they only took about 75 fans to Statesboro to play Georgia Southern? Face it, TSU's fan support stinks no matter how you try to sugarcoat it. And as far as the "im not so sure most of them were from ASU" comment, that has to be the biggest joke that entire post. When you have 70% MORE ASU TAILGATERS around your own campus at YOUR home game than your own fans, most of which are sitting on the visitors side wearing black & gold......well i'll let u figure that one out.
mighty hornet
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:tup:Originally posted by unknown1
It was an easy win, and that's why they didn't travel? You canNOT be serious? Is that why they didn't travel to Mobile to play the FAMU team that had beaten them twice before? Or is that the reason they only took about 75 fans to Statesboro to play Georgia Southern? Face it, TSU's fan support stinks no matter how you try to sugarcoat it. And as far as the "im not so sure most of them were from ASU" comment, that has to be the biggest joke that entire post. When you have 70% MORE ASU TAILGATERS around your own campus at YOUR home game than your own fans, most of which are sitting on the visitors side wearing black & gold......well i'll let u figure that one out.
And GR,
the year before he went 2-9, Dickerson went 5-6. You keep harping on the out of conference schedule and what he possibly would have done if he had played a different nonconference schedule. That's debatable. But what is standard for both Dickerson and Cole is conference games. In two years, Dickerson won 6. In three years, Cole has won 13.
Blacknbengal
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You're so right!Originally posted by Olde Hornet
Why is it that some people on this message board cannot tell the difference between the "The SMACK Board" and "The Sports Board"? :uhoh:
Blacknbengal
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Re: Good info JC
Bottom line.
Because money talks and BS runs the marathon. And if you all trust in Watkins, then you all mind as well enlist in the Boston Marathon, cause he is bring in Cole.
Bottom line.
MightyDog
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I will make my comments as short as possible. I read in a comment that Watkins offered to be the sponsor of the SCG fo;r the next ten years. What he paid in 2002 to me is an insult if he is a billionaire, but the money was more than the SCG received in the past. Unless he offer more money in the future, I strongly suggest the SWAC Office look for other sponsors and not sign a ten year deal.
Blacken, people in Alabama are very knowledgable of what is going on and this is why it did not happened. Too many sweet deals in the past have left our universities stuck with large bills. We have a large number of Alumni, supporters and politicians presenting ideas to our Presidents, but do not bring any real money to the table. Now if they were to say, meet me at the bank because I have 10 million dollars that you can sign for to support this project then it could happened.
You all know businessmen are constantly coming up with ideas to make money. HBCUs spend large sums of money, just as other federal, state and local governments. As taxpayers, most of our income is spent on entertainment. Developers, promoters, bankers and others are aware of the dollars that can be made by seeking support for new projects. If businessmen are not creative they cannot make any money. All deals that seem to be good are not good deals. So when someone get accused of allowing a good deal to fail, I always look for the person who had the good sense to question the proposal. Everyday I see business people trying to sell what they call a good deal. Serving on boards and attending meetings allow some of us to understand the process.
Football is an expensive sport and would be dropped by a number of schools if the presidents could justify dropping football to the alumni. If AlSt had decided to go 1A and built a new stadium, then somebody would have made a large sum of money by building a new structure. It could have been a good deal for the developers but a debt for AlSt. Who knows better in this state about the building of a new stadium than AAMU?
We should not get emotional involved in the hype, but our decisions should be made on the same level as businessmen make theirs. It all sounds good, but based on what I think I know more details need to be worked out in the case of NCA&T. I am for change, but I want to hear more than the short range plan. I would be interested in the long range plan.
Blacken, people in Alabama are very knowledgable of what is going on and this is why it did not happened. Too many sweet deals in the past have left our universities stuck with large bills. We have a large number of Alumni, supporters and politicians presenting ideas to our Presidents, but do not bring any real money to the table. Now if they were to say, meet me at the bank because I have 10 million dollars that you can sign for to support this project then it could happened.
You all know businessmen are constantly coming up with ideas to make money. HBCUs spend large sums of money, just as other federal, state and local governments. As taxpayers, most of our income is spent on entertainment. Developers, promoters, bankers and others are aware of the dollars that can be made by seeking support for new projects. If businessmen are not creative they cannot make any money. All deals that seem to be good are not good deals. So when someone get accused of allowing a good deal to fail, I always look for the person who had the good sense to question the proposal. Everyday I see business people trying to sell what they call a good deal. Serving on boards and attending meetings allow some of us to understand the process.
Football is an expensive sport and would be dropped by a number of schools if the presidents could justify dropping football to the alumni. If AlSt had decided to go 1A and built a new stadium, then somebody would have made a large sum of money by building a new structure. It could have been a good deal for the developers but a debt for AlSt. Who knows better in this state about the building of a new stadium than AAMU?
We should not get emotional involved in the hype, but our decisions should be made on the same level as businessmen make theirs. It all sounds good, but based on what I think I know more details need to be worked out in the case of NCA&T. I am for change, but I want to hear more than the short range plan. I would be interested in the long range plan.
Blacknbengal
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Now that is very sound.
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