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What really trips me out is that these dogs are basically being brought up to be banned as pets because of their attacks on humans in alot of states. I guess it's ok for the Animal Human people to put them to sleep if the bans past.
 
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Y'all think he'll play again after he gets out? Will any team even wanna touch him after all this?

I think so because he is to talented to pass up. I wouldn't mind him on my team. I wonder how effective he'll when he gets out the "joint or slammer".
 



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you next...:lol:

I guess I need to go back home where it's safe, huh? Maybe one of my boys back at home will make it big and the Feds will be coming after me and them on something done 20 years ago. LOL!!!!

:uhoh: ~Looking over my shoulder for the Feds~ :uhoh:
 
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Man, when dogs attack people- them PETA people are no where to be found and the owners be looking foolish.

I don't do or get the dogfighting thing either, but O WELL for VICK!
 
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Well, we live in a society that LOVES DOGS. I can sit on my front porch and between the hours of 5PM and 9PM, every other person walking the neighborhood will have a dog with them. Dogs are the primary pet of American society, so fighting dogs is going to be viewed as cruel and unusual punishment in the eyes of most Americans because Americans simply love dogs.

Just like one sports announcer said (I forgot his name), "Vick would have been better off if he had raped a woman". That's a sad statement but it is so true.
 
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Why not? It's not like he killed someone or something.

This may interest you.

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The column below is one man's opinion.

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Vick: Villain or scoundrel ... or sympathetic figure?http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070816

By Gregg Easterbrook
Special to Page 2

I have an inclination to sympathize with Michael Vick, and not just because People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is denouncing him. They are popping champagne corks over at PETA, as Vick is the best thing to happen to the organization's profile and fundraising in years. Remember, the charges against Vick are accusations. The Duke lacrosse mess reminded us that accusations are not the same as guilt and that prosecutors might be unscrupulous. The NFL, the media and popular opinion all seem to accept that because Vick is accused, he must be guilty. He's been treated as guilty -- mocked, effectively suspended from football, deprived of most of his income -- long before any legal determination has been made. There's something deeply sick about the fact that you can go to the NFL's official shop and order a Bills jersey with No. 32 and SIMPSON on the back -- go here and try it yourself -- or a Panthers jersey with CARRUTH on the back, the NFL system actually says "Great choice!" in response, but if you go here and try to order a Falcons' jersey with Vick's name or number, you'll get a message saying your order cannot be processed.

Let me count the reasons I am inclined to sympathize with Michael Vick. One is that Vick became an athletic celebrity at age 16. Since then, has anyone ever said the word "no" to him? Did he ever hear "no" from his coaches, his teachers, Virginia Tech, the Atlanta Falcons, Reebok, Nike, Rawlings, the National Football League, ESPN or any of the sports-media companies, all of which were only too happy to indulge Vick so long as it benefited them? Vick might have believed he had become a Big Man -- someone no one could touch, someone above the rules. People who believe they are above the rules need to learn what integrity means. But only the gifted or philosophical can teach themselves character: The overwhelming majority of men and women need help from others to learn the lessons of character. Many such lessons begin with the word "no." Who in last 10 years has said "no" to Michael Vick? Of his friends, coaches, owners, university presidents or entourage, has anyone taken him aside and said, "Michael, it doesn't matter if you are on national television, it doesn't matter if you are rich, right is right and wrong is wrong." My guess is that no one close to Vick has told him this. In the end, Vick is responsible for his actions. But the contemporary cult of celebrity would not be possible unless the people around celebrities avoided saying "no." If Vick did what he is accused, it simply could not have been a secret to those near him. You so-called friends of Michael Vick, you coaches, team owners, university presidents, hangers-on and entourage -- who among you can look in the mirror today and say you acted with honor?

Next, I feel some sympathy for Vick because of the "send a message" aspect of the case. There's no doubt that many celebrity athletes are getting away with too much. Celebrity athletes as a group have become arrogant, spoiled and even antisocial. This should be a major concern for the NFL, NBA, MLB and ESPN. But even if other celebrity athletes have gotten away with too much in other instances, Vick's case must be treated on its own merits. Some commentators argue that Vick must be dealt with severely to "send a message" about athlete's behavior. No: Vick must be dealt with fairly, to send a message about justice. Seven years ago, the NFL took little action against star Ray Lewis when he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a case involving the deaths of two people. Even read "in the light most favorable," as lawyers say, what Lewis did was stand by watching as two acquaintances stabbed two people to death. Lewis served only 15 days in jail and the NFL fined him $250,000 for conduct detrimental to the league. Eventually, he was back signing lucrative endorsement contracts. He got off lightly. (This is unrelated to the fact that, by all accounts, Lewis became genuinely remorseful and now spends much of his time in charity work; the question is what punishment was fitting based on what was known at the time of the offense.) But Vick shouldn't not be punished severely in order to "send a message" about what wasn't done to Lewis or other previous celebrity-athlete offenders. Vick has no serious prior offenses and does not stand accused of any act of violence against a person. He grew up poor in the crime-and-drugs plagued Ridley Circle housing project of Newport News, Va., yet unlike many around him there did not succomb to the temptation of lawbreaking. If Vick goes to jail and loses his NFL career for a first offense of cruelty to animals and gambling, while Lewis essentially got off scot-free for watching two human beings stabbed to death, that wouldn't be "sending a message." That would be a travesty of justice.

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I knew he was going down from jump. I wonder if he's going to have a cellmate. Does any know if this is considerd a white collar crime? Luckily for him, he gets to go to federal prison instead of state. His lawyer must have told him "we have no chance"

Why do people think Federal prison is a cake walk? Leavenworth is a federal prison and it is considered to be one of the toughest in the country.
 
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This may interest you.

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The column below is one man's opinion.

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Vick: Villain or scoundrel ... or sympathetic figure?http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070816

By Gregg Easterbrook
Special to Page 2

I have an inclination to sympathize with Michael Vick, and not just because People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is denouncing him. They are popping champagne corks over at PETA, as Vick is the best thing to happen to the organization's profile and fundraising in years. Remember, the charges against Vick are accusations. The Duke lacrosse mess reminded us that accusations are not the same as guilt and that prosecutors might be unscrupulous. The NFL, the media and popular opinion all seem to accept that because Vick is accused, he must be guilty. He's been treated as guilty -- mocked, effectively suspended from football, deprived of most of his income -- long before any legal determination has been made. There's something deeply sick about the fact that you can go to the NFL's official shop and order a Bills jersey with No. 32 and SIMPSON on the back -- go here and try it yourself -- or a Panthers jersey with CARRUTH on the back, the NFL system actually says "Great choice!" in response, but if you go here and try to order a Falcons' jersey with Vick's name or number, you'll get a message saying your order cannot be processed.

Let me count the reasons I am inclined to sympathize with Michael Vick. One is that Vick became an athletic celebrity at age 16. Since then, has anyone ever said the word "no" to him? Did he ever hear "no" from his coaches, his teachers, Virginia Tech, the Atlanta Falcons, Reebok, Nike, Rawlings, the National Football League, ESPN or any of the sports-media companies, all of which were only too happy to indulge Vick so long as it benefited them? Vick might have believed he had become a Big Man -- someone no one could touch, someone above the rules. People who believe they are above the rules need to learn what integrity means. But only the gifted or philosophical can teach themselves character: The overwhelming majority of men and women need help from others to learn the lessons of character. Many such lessons begin with the word "no." Who in last 10 years has said "no" to Michael Vick? Of his friends, coaches, owners, university presidents or entourage, has anyone taken him aside and said, "Michael, it doesn't matter if you are on national television, it doesn't matter if you are rich, right is right and wrong is wrong." My guess is that no one close to Vick has told him this. In the end, Vick is responsible for his actions. But the contemporary cult of celebrity would not be possible unless the people around celebrities avoided saying "no." If Vick did what he is accused, it simply could not have been a secret to those near him. You so-called friends of Michael Vick, you coaches, team owners, university presidents, hangers-on and entourage -- who among you can look in the mirror today and say you acted with honor?

Next, I feel some sympathy for Vick because of the "send a message" aspect of the case. There's no doubt that many celebrity athletes are getting away with too much. Celebrity athletes as a group have become arrogant, spoiled and even antisocial. This should be a major concern for the NFL, NBA, MLB and ESPN. But even if other celebrity athletes have gotten away with too much in other instances, Vick's case must be treated on its own merits. Some commentators argue that Vick must be dealt with severely to "send a message" about athlete's behavior. No: Vick must be dealt with fairly, to send a message about justice. Seven years ago, the NFL took little action against star Ray Lewis when he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a case involving the deaths of two people. Even read "in the light most favorable," as lawyers say, what Lewis did was stand by watching as two acquaintances stabbed two people to death. Lewis served only 15 days in jail and the NFL fined him $250,000 for conduct detrimental to the league. Eventually, he was back signing lucrative endorsement contracts. He got off lightly. (This is unrelated to the fact that, by all accounts, Lewis became genuinely remorseful and now spends much of his time in charity work; the question is what punishment was fitting based on what was known at the time of the offense.) But Vick shouldn't not be punished severely in order to "send a message" about what wasn't done to Lewis or other previous celebrity-athlete offenders. Vick has no serious prior offenses and does not stand accused of any act of violence against a person. He grew up poor in the crime-and-drugs plagued Ridley Circle housing project of Newport News, Va., yet unlike many around him there did not succomb to the temptation of lawbreaking. If Vick goes to jail and loses his NFL career for a first offense of cruelty to animals and gambling, while Lewis essentially got off scot-free for watching two human beings stabbed to death, that wouldn't be "sending a message." That would be a travesty of justice.

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Ok, I didnt read all that, so what are you saying?
 
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There's something deeply sick about the fact that you can go to the NFL's official shop and order a Bills jersey with No. 32 and SIMPSON on the back -- go here and try it yourself -- or a Panthers jersey with CARRUTH on the back, the NFL system actually says "Great choice!" in response, but if you go here and try to order a Falcons' jersey with Vick's name or number, you'll get a message saying your order cannot be processed.

I read that article last week. That part really struck me.

:smh::smh:
 
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Never understood it either. But P we live in a barbaric society. Folks cheer 2 men and now women beating each other up in boxing and that UFC. So should be shocked that some folks like to see dogs and gamecocks fight.

I love dogs myself and never liked hearing about those dog fights. But I still marvel at how much this struck a nerve with our society when we have folks getting killed in an unpopular war, other athletes still getting cheered after being responsible for someone's death, and not to mention just plain ole folks killing each other every day for whatever reasons other than self-defense. It just shows me that we value human life less than we do other things. Vick should be punished but I think the maximum sentance of 5 years and 250k is too much over some dogs. There fools who kill people who get less than that. But hey it is what it is and he did it to himself. A tough lesson that he is about to learn.

I agree with you fully, our society is truly muked up, when a dog life seems more important than human life.
 
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There's something deeply sick about the fact that you can go to the NFL's official shop and order a Bills jersey with No. 32 and SIMPSON on the back -- go here and try it yourself -- or a Panthers jersey with CARRUTH on the back, the NFL system actually says "Great choice!" in response, but if you go here and try to order a Falcons' jersey with Vick's name or number, you'll get a message saying your order cannot be processed.

and that is what i have been saying ever since they pulled Vick's stuff off the shelf.

I guess I need to go back home where it's safe, huh? Maybe one of my boys back at home will make it big and the Feds will be coming after me and them on something done 20 years ago. LOL!!!!

:uhoh: ~Looking over my shoulder for the Feds~ :uhoh:

:lol: "time to go to trial..."

the real mr. biggs send help!
 
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I agree with you fully, our society is truly muked up, when a dog life seems more important than human life.

Is a dog's life more important than a human life?..No, but in these type cases it's the the malice of the crime that has people up in arms. Drowing, slamming and shooting dogs because they did not win a dog fight...Sick if you ask me.

I know that a dog is not as important as human, but you just can't ruthlessly have dogs fight to the death and then kill them when they lose. Folks make the comparsion to UFC and boxing which is a little off.

Those men and women aren't fighting to the death. They fully understand their job is not kill the other person. Animals who participate in fights don't understand that notion. Plus, when they lose their trainer/manager does not shoot them.
 
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Folks make the comparsion to UFC and boxing which is a little off.

Those men and women aren't fighting to the death. They fully understand their job is not kill the other person. Animals who participate in fights don't understand that notion. Plus, when they lose their trainer/manager does not shoot them.

The adults in UFC or a boxing ring wilfully choose to be there and know what they are doing. The dogs don't.
 
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Those men and women aren't fighting to the death. They fully understand their job is not kill the other person.

Uhh..........I dont think every boxer knows this. Alot will tell you that they are training to knock the other person's head off. In other words, hurt/kill them.
 



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Wow, so this man may serve a prison sentence over some damn dogs...:smh: I don't know why I'm even surprised at this. It's a shame when HUMAN BEINGS value the life of animals over the life of people. What a sad, sad world we live in. Not that I'm condoning folks being cruel to animals, but my goodness...prison time? :tdown:

I can always tell just how important dogs are to folks, by watching the Animal Planet channel. Those animal police and the court systems go after folks that are cruel to animals, as if they're mass murderers. :|
 
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Is a dog's life more important than a human life?..No, but in these type cases it's the the malice of the crime that has people up in arms. Drowing, slamming and shooting dogs because they did not win a dog fight...Sick if you ask me.

I know that a dog is not as important as human, but you just can't ruthlessly have dogs fight to the death and then kill them when they lose. Folks make the comparsion to UFC and boxing which is a little off.

Those men and women aren't fighting to the death. They fully understand their job is not kill the other person. Animals who participate in fights don't understand that notion. Plus, when they lose their trainer/manager does not shoot them.

You're right. Their job is to beat the hell out of a mofo until they're unconscious. I guess that sounds normal to you.

Also, I don't think dog fights are fought to the death.
 
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Man, when dogs attack people- them PETA people are no where to be found and the owners be looking foolish.

I don't do or get the dogfighting thing either, but O WELL for VICK!

I was just thinking that.
We had a ordinance in my county in St. Louis about banning the ownership of pitbulls. It was a little boy that got bit by a pitbull that was Owned by a guy in the neighborhood. He didnt see any jail time. He just paid the fine. I believe they eunthanized the dog though.
 
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As a former dog owner and a Michael Vick fan, I have no problem with Vick being punished. I do not find dog (or gamecock) fighting exciting to say the very least.

But I doubt that many in the media are talking about what the writer mentioned in the following column.

Ok, I didnt read all that, so what are you saying?

Read the part in bold.

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Vick: Villain or scoundrel ... or sympathetic figure?http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070816

By Gregg Easterbrook
Special to Page 2

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Next, I feel some sympathy for Vick because of the "send a message" aspect of the case. There's no doubt that many celebrity athletes are getting away with too much. Celebrity athletes as a group have become arrogant, spoiled and even antisocial. This should be a major concern for the NFL, NBA, MLB and ESPN. But even if other celebrity athletes have gotten away with too much in other instances, Vick's case must be treated on its own merits. Some commentators argue that Vick must be dealt with severely to "send a message" about athlete's behavior. No: Vick must be dealt with fairly, to send a message about justice. Seven years ago, the NFL took little action against star Ray Lewis when he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a case involving the deaths of two people. Even read "in the light most favorable," as lawyers say, what Lewis did was stand by watching as two acquaintances stabbed two people to death. Lewis served only 15 days in jail and the NFL fined him $250,000 for conduct detrimental to the league. Eventually, he was back signing lucrative endorsement contracts. He got off lightly. (This is unrelated to the fact that, by all accounts, Lewis became genuinely remorseful and now spends much of his time in charity work; the question is what punishment was fitting based on what was known at the time of the offense.) But Vick shouldn't not be punished severely in order to "send a message" about what wasn't done to Lewis or other previous celebrity-athlete offenders. Vick has no serious prior offenses and does not stand accused of any act of violence against a person. He grew up poor in the crime-and-drugs plagued Ridley Circle housing project of Newport News, Va., yet unlike many around him there did not succomb to the temptation of lawbreaking. If Vick goes to jail and loses his NFL career for a first offense of cruelty to animals and gambling, while Lewis essentially got off scot-free for watching two human beings stabbed to death, that wouldn't be "sending a message." That would be a travesty of justice.

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Now I wonder, on both sides, would anyone be upset if Mike Vick was not involved? I don't hear people disturbed over the fact Vick's colleagues are going to jail over the dogs.

Folks in Atlanta were not rallying for those other cats who were indicted. And the PETA people were not protesting outside the homes of the other guys who were indicted as well. And they don't make this fuss over regular folks either.

With that said, there have been dozens of men and women who have gone to jail over dogfighting/animal cruelty. Mike Vick and his boys are not the first and won't be the last to go to jail over dogs. Laws are laws and it's unfortunate that all this has gone down the way it has. Folks on both sides have to either deal with it or run for President and make changes.
 
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Is a dog's life more important than a human life?..No, but in these type cases it's the the malice of the crime that has people up in arms. Drowing, slamming and shooting dogs because they did not win a dog fight...Sick if you ask me.

I know that a dog is not as important as human, but you just can't ruthlessly have dogs fight to the death and then kill them when they lose. Folks make the comparsion to UFC and boxing which is a little off.

Those men and women aren't fighting to the death. They fully understand their job is not kill the other person. Animals who participate in fights don't understand that notion. Plus, when they lose their trainer/manager does not shoot them.

I talking about cases like Leanord Little killed a woman while driving drunk and he's still in the league, he didn't miss a full season, then after that got another DUI. I didn't hear all this uproar about him and Ray Lewis friends killed two people and he's still in the league. To me that worst than what Vick did. I agree Vick needs to be punished, maybe fined and miss two games.
 
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As a former dog owner and a Michael Vick fan, I have no problem with Vick being punished. I do not find dog (or gamecock) fighting exciting to say the very least.

But I doubt that many in the media are talking about what the writer mentioned in the following column.



Read the part in bold.

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Vick: Villain or scoundrel ... or sympathetic figure?http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/070816

By Gregg Easterbrook
Special to Page 2

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Next, I feel some sympathy for Vick because of the "send a message" aspect of the case. There's no doubt that many celebrity athletes are getting away with too much. Celebrity athletes as a group have become arrogant, spoiled and even antisocial. This should be a major concern for the NFL, NBA, MLB and ESPN. But even if other celebrity athletes have gotten away with too much in other instances, Vick's case must be treated on its own merits. Some commentators argue that Vick must be dealt with severely to "send a message" about athlete's behavior. No: Vick must be dealt with fairly, to send a message about justice. Seven years ago, the NFL took little action against star Ray Lewis when he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in a case involving the deaths of two people. Even read "in the light most favorable," as lawyers say, what Lewis did was stand by watching as two acquaintances stabbed two people to death. Lewis served only 15 days in jail and the NFL fined him $250,000 for conduct detrimental to the league. Eventually, he was back signing lucrative endorsement contracts. He got off lightly. (This is unrelated to the fact that, by all accounts, Lewis became genuinely remorseful and now spends much of his time in charity work; the question is what punishment was fitting based on what was known at the time of the offense.) But Vick shouldn't not be punished severely in order to "send a message" about what wasn't done to Lewis or other previous celebrity-athlete offenders. Vick has no serious prior offenses and does not stand accused of any act of violence against a person. He grew up poor in the crime-and-drugs plagued Ridley Circle housing project of Newport News, Va., yet unlike many around him there did not succomb to the temptation of lawbreaking. If Vick goes to jail and loses his NFL career for a first offense of cruelty to animals and gambling, while Lewis essentially got off scot-free for watching two human beings stabbed to death, that wouldn't be "sending a message." That would be a travesty of justice.

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Uh, this have already been discussed. Several times, but I do agree. There is alot of prejudice (not talking about racial either) involve in this. Like I said, I know plenty of people that does this. I've never seen PETA at their door steps and why dont they go to the Animal Control Center to protest when those pits that maul humans are killed?
 
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Folks in Atlanta were not rallying for those other cats who were indicted.
Are you suggesting that lots of "folks in Atlanta" were rallying for Vick?

And let's be real, Vick is a public figure. "Those other cats" were/are not.
 
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