Tony, can you dissect this please.


jsupop33

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I lifted this from another messageboard on a topic about dating in DC, I am interested to hear your thoughts and whether we are seeing this play out across America overall.

To be honest, the money doesn't make that big of a difference. Six-figure salaries are pretty much standard issue in DC. It may impress the 33-year old, average to above average-looking chicks looking to land a long-term partner, move to Silver Spring/PG County, and raise a family, but it won't take you so far with the younger, attractive chicks that most guys want. Just being honest.

That said, I think it depends. Men get judged by a lot of things beyond our looks. The money is one factor. Did you attend Ivy League schools? That's probably more important, or at least as important, as your salary. The better the school, the more play you get (Harvard > UNC > Howard Law). Your social network may be more important than your money, and as important as your degrees. Being well-connected will get you that many more quality women (narrow definiton of "quality": slender with pretty faces). I don't think one factor alone, such as white-collar job, is sufficient to determine what your luck will be like with the women here. I mean, if a girl comes on C-D and posts a pic of herself that resembles Alicia Keys, it's pretty much fair to say that she'll have her pick of quality (read: high status) men. Men dig looks. But because women are more diverse in what turns them on (some like badboys, some like lawyers, some like club promoters, some like "swagger," etc), it's hard to say how a guy will fare just because he's a lawyer. I have friends who are doctors and lawyers that struggle to get cute chicks, and I have friends who are less attractive dee-jays, club promoters and bartenders who pull 8s and 9s on the regular. Go figure.

As far as the dating "scene," I will say this. The women here are, on average, more accomplished than women in other cities. More PhDs, more law degrees, higher salaries, etc. Because they are "successful," they think they are worth more on the open market than a cute waitress at Applebee's. They think to themselves: "I want a man with money, a nice job and a car, what man wouldn't want all of that in me?" So, you have a bunch of regular chicks, who in days past would be content with the regular man, thinking that their "success" has given their attractiveness a boost, and they therefore raise their asking price. Women date UP. So the guy who realistically may be their equal (the guy with the regular job, regular apartment and regular car) is put on the backburner for the guy who offers even MORE than what they have. They don't realize that men, within reason, view an 8 who's a first-grade teacher and an 8 who's a Wharton MBA exactly the same. But the Wharton MBA has expecations that are WAAAY higher than the teacher's.

The result is a lot of women chasing high-status men throughout their twenties, completely squandering away their youth (because men do like youthful women). Many of the "quality" women (read: slender, pretty, humble, good heads on shoulders) get taken off the market early. Many attractive women, and not-so-attractive women, spend their time dancing on top of tables at Park or Luxe Lounge, sleeping around, hit 30, and then demand an engagement ring. But by then, no reasonably sane man with options wants a chick who knows 46 different martini flavors and knows the entire '02 Spring Line of Omega Psi Phi at State U. These chicks overplayed their hands and their numbers are overwhelming in the DC area.


Good Man = Alpha Male

So then the question becomes "What defines an alpha male?" And the answer to that is pretty simple as well. An alpha male is the man that all of the women want to boff...for whatever reason. Unlike a man, a woman's standards are not necessarily objective. For example, a man sees a pretty woman and a bell goes off in his head. A woman's looks are the only thing that will set that bell off. But women are different. The guy who sets that bell off could be extremely physically attractive, or he could be very rich, or he could very charming, or he could be, very simply, good at getting other women. The latter is typically most attractive to women.

Women, just like men, have animalistic, hindbrain instincts that they follow. Whereas a man's instincts lead him to pursue young, physically attractive women, a woman's instincts lead her to pursue the few men who already have more chicks than they can handle. It's very circular, yes, I know. An attractive man is a man that women find attractive. Why do you think it is that whenever you're seen with a pretty girl, all of the other women take notice? Because women have diverse tastes, a man who gets lots of girls will often become more attractive to other girls because they think "Well, she's pretty and she's with him. He must have something good to offer." That doesn't make any sense, but neither does a man pursuing a woman who has clear skin, long hair and a curvy body. Those things send the message to your subconscious that "I'm healthy and fertile!" When a man has lots of chicks, it sends a message to a woman's subconscious that says "Hey girls, I got that hot seed!"

So, in summary, if women are rejecting you, they don't consider you to be a "good" man. When women say "I can't find a good man," that's code for "I wasn't able to beat out the competition for the 26 men that all of the other women wanted and now I'm mad about it." Or it means, "I couldn't get the man that the other 46,000 black women in the DC Metro area were pursuing to commit to me exclusively."
 
HA!

Man it’s rough, but I’ll give you some of my observations

I don’t think it’s a regional thing, I think it’s a female nature thing.

You have to meet a woman where she is

Young women in college and young women not in college are
Very different.

Most college chicks nearing graduation are looking for that engagement ring,
Lots of her friends are getting married /engaged and if she’s not doing the same she’s feeling a little left out and unwanted. If she’s attractive she’ll get married soon,( most attractive chicks rarely get close to graduation without that so-called “serious relationship” in tow. If she makes a wise choice they’ll stay married until death. If she was stupid and got married for BS reasons, she’ll be divorced and you’ll see her making the dating rounds again.

Young non-college chicks just wanna have fun and it’s whatever.


Next you got in between age women, the ages before you’re just old.
They fall in several categories, and sub categories.


The non attractive college ones by and large have gone on to become successful, with lots of degrees and Carry a chip on their shoulder because back then you didn’t want them, but now they Got some clout and loot you all on them.

They Still may value marriage but they are very selective, others have long
Since pledged the oath of “I don’t need a man”

Many of the attractive college ones have long since been divorced, because they married for the wrong reasons. They start making the second hand rounds (social-networking)
And excite many men because she was always their dream girl, but back then dude was too lame for her to even speak to him, but now her priorities have changed, and dude doesn't care about that because he’s just happy to have a shot @ the ole bomb shell from back in the day.
Other attractive chicks have never healed from being heart broke so they subscribe
To the “all men ain’t sh@t” creed, and do the casual sex thing. Never trusting a nucca
when he starts that I'm falling in love with you talk.


Men like women that look good, and if he thinks he can trust her, a good man will marry her.

As women age they value more things than looks.

Most dimes end up smashing funny lookin’ dudes. Look @ the fine married women you work with, more than not her husband is a not so attractive guy.


Moral of the story;

Some women couldn’t care less about being married, the picket fence etc etc
Some want that lifestyle
Others just wanna smash on the regular, but nothing too serious.
Some become Lesbos

Just figure out what kinda dude you are
Vs
What kinda chick she is and act accordingly.
 
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Dang Tony you did a good job. That is so true. Moral of the story Halle Berry's end up with average looking dudes, while the Halle Scary's still chase pretty boys or thugs with nothing.
 
Dang Tony you did a good job. That is so true. Moral of the story Halle Berry's end up with average looking dudes, while the Halle Scary's still chase pretty boys or thugs with nothing.

Well I don’t think it’s so cut and dry as far as looks,

I think women end up with any dude, no matter what he looks like, if he has
what her priorities are @ the time. Most women start out only going for looks.

Do you know how many women have pledged their undying love for me,
Just cause of my light skin, who didn’t even know me.
And when I opened my mouth to speak were surprise to find I have
A brain also?

later on usually after many mis- steps women start to value other traits in
a good man

whether it’s lil Wayne, or Ben Carson

you can tell alot about a woman and where her head is, by looking at the dude she chooses to share her body with.


Men don’t really do that except under the cover of darkness.
You ain’t gone be @ the game with us looking weird…lol…
 
Interesting.

And I can tell you why the average looking club promoter/bartenders can get more play than the lawyer/doctor: Personality!
Those club promoters/bartenders/DJs tend to be guys who hella cool to be around, have great sense of humors, good listeners (or at least pretend to be, which either way is still smart to hook a woman) and good conversationalists. All three of those type of jobs require listening skills to satisfy a client/customer. And any dude who can master that in their job/profession, can hook any kind of woman. Believe that.
 
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Interesting.

And I can tell you why the average looking club promoter/bartenders can get more play than the lawyer/doctor: Personality!
Those club promoters/bartenders/DJs tend to be guys who hella cool to be around, have great sense of humors, good listeners (or at least pretend to be, which either way is still smart to hook a woman) and good conversationalists. All three of those type of jobs require listening skills to satisfy a client/customer. And any dude who can master that in their job/profession, can hook any kind of woman. Believe that.
Are you tryin’ to say it ain’t no doctors/lawyers
who are hella cool to be around, have great sense of humors, and good listeners?
 
Interesting.

And I can tell you why the average looking club promoter/bartenders can get more play than the lawyer/doctor: Personality!
Those club promoters/bartenders/DJs tend to be guys who hella cool to be around, have great sense of humors, good listeners (or at least pretend to be, which either way is still smart to hook a woman) and good conversationalists. All three of those type of jobs require listening skills to satisfy a client/customer. And any dude who can master that in their job/profession, can hook any kind of woman. Believe that.

Crit, why do you think I am known as Pimp Cee? It ain't rocket science my dear. A mouth piece can get a woman wetter than good looks anyday. A simple hello, you look nice in those colors, wow your hair makes you look so young in that style, and many more kind words gets you in the door and over in the bed.
 
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My friends ask me why the young black professional males in DC aren't interested in getting married and I ask them, why would they be?
 
Crit, why do you think I am known as Pimp Cee? It ain't rocket science my dear. A mouth piece can get a woman wetter than good looks anyday. A simple hello, you look nice in those colors, wow your hair makes you look so young in that style, and many more kind words gets you in the door and over in the bed.


Lawd... :lol:
 
My friends ask me why the young black professional males in DC aren't interested in getting married and I ask them, why would they be?

what I'm seeing is that
unless a man has truly fallen for a woman,
Believes in having a traditional family
religious,
or just need a place to stay.

He ain't tryin' to be Married
 
Slowly and surely marriage is going to the birds for a few reasons.

1. Women are now more financially dependent and don't necessarily need a man to provide for them.
2. Fellas are seeing the cost of divorce/kids and thinking it really isn't worth it
3. There are more eligible single females than guys, so most guys can have their pick of the litter.
 
yeah some of them even be on tspn

Where they at?????

Slowly and surely marriage is going to the birds for a few reasons.

1. Women are now more financially dependent and don't necessarily need a man to provide for them.
2. Fellas are seeing the cost of divorce/kids and thinking it really isn't worth it
3. There are more eligible single females than guys, so most guys can have their pick of the litter.

Pretty much.
 



Slowly and surely marriage is going to the birds for a few reasons.

1. Women are now more financially dependent and don't necessarily need a man to provide for them.
2. Fellas are seeing the cost of divorce/kids and thinking it really isn't worth it
3. There are more eligible single females than guys, so most guys can have their pick of the litter.

what about love?

Where they at?????

:splat:
 
Interesting.

And I can tell you why the average looking club promoter/bartenders can get more play than the lawyer/doctor: Personality!
Those club promoters/bartenders/DJs tend to be guys who hella cool to be around, have great sense of humors, good listeners (or at least pretend to be, which either way is still smart to hook a woman) and good conversationalists. All three of those type of jobs require listening skills to satisfy a client/customer. And any dude who can master that in their job/profession, can hook any kind of woman. Believe that.

When it is your job to either put on a party or be the party, of course you are going to be fun around people. You can't have a don't talk to me attitude in those professions. Their entire lives revolve around going out and having a party. Doctors and Lawyers are either trying to keep people alive or keep people out of jail. Ain't no party atmosphere around that. When doctors, lawyers, IT mofos, etc, go out, they want to chill with who they with. Not be the life of the party.

Any woman that cling onto the PARTY job holders or atmosphere are not trying to settle down anyway cause if they were, they would look past the PARTY and see the FUTURE with one of those other professions. The party profession is not one that is kind to relationships. Those guys see the baddest of the baddest women comming at them on a nightly basis. Just a matter of time before your seat is occupied by another thats badder than you.

You get what you chase after.
 
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What I say? :lol: You said, "SOME." Where are the good, single doctor and lawyers in numbers on this board? You seem to be a good, smart guy; don't know if you're single or not though. But where the rest?
 
When it is your job to either put on a party or be the party, of course you are going to be fun around people. You can't have a don't talk to me attitude in those professions. Their entire lives revole around A PARTY. Doctors and Lawyers are either trying to keep people alive or keep people out of jail. Ain't no part atmosphere around that. When doctors, lawyers, IT mofos go out, they want to chill.

AQ woman that cling onto the PARTY job holders are not trying to settle down anyway cause iof they were, they would look past the PAQRTY and see the FUTURE with one of those other professions. The party profession is not one that is kind to relationships. Those guys see the baddest of the baddest women comming at them on a nightly basis.

You get what you chase after.

Uhhhhh, when I said these guys can get all kinds of girls, I wasn't necessarily talking long-term relationships. Women are drawn to these guys because they have personality. That was MY POINT.

A real grown woman knows exactly what they're getting when deal with those guys, 'cause a real grown woman 'gon be upfront about what she wants from the relationship.
 
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When it is your job to either put on a party or be the party, of course you are going to be fun around people. You can't have a don't talk to me attitude in those professions. Their entire lives revole around A PARTY. Doctors and Lawyers are either trying to keep people alive or keep people out of jail. Ain't no part atmosphere around that. When doctors, lawyers, IT mofos go out, they want to chill.

AQ woman that cling onto the PARTY job holders are not trying to settle down anyway cause iof they were, they would look past the PAQRTY and see the FUTURE with one of those other professions. The party profession is not one that is kind to relationships. Those guys see the baddest of the baddest women comming at them on a nightly basis.

You get what you chase after.
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What I say? :lol: You said, "SOME." Where are the good, single doctor and lawyers in numbers on this board? You seem to be a good, smart guy; don't know if you're single or not though. But where the rest?

they're on the Prayer Board.
 
Uhhhhh, when I said these guys can get all kinds of girls, I wasn't necessarily talking long-term relationships. Women are drawn to these guys because they have personality. That was MY POINT.

I understood what you were saying and you right.

It's the same ole game as the guy driving the 2010 PORSHE CAYMENNE will have women of all races/looks, leaned over in his car giving up their numbers while the guy driving the Ford Tempo gotta work for a date. The guy in the PORSHE can have average looks, bad looks and a good personality and the guy in the TEMPO can look like a GQ model with a good personality. The guy in the porshe is gonna win out everytime.

Same old game just a new way of playing it.
 
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I understood what you were saying and you right. It's the same ole game as the guy driving the 2010 PORSHE CAYMENNE will have women of all races/looks, leaned over in his car giving up their numbers while the guy driving the Ford Tempo gotta work for a date. Same old game just a new way of playing it.

You're right.
 
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