The Gospel


D-NICE said:
I didn't understand the relationship between Frank, and his wife. One minute she's on her cousins side, and the next she's trying to bury him???? One minute she's beefing with her husband, and not agreeing with his thought process, and the next she's coming off like she's just a power hungry as he is???

Lastly, I just couldn't see the guy who played Frank (can't think of his name for the life of me), as nothing more than Stringer Bell masquerading as a guy trying to play a pastor. He wasn't believable as a pastor, at least to me. Maybe because he was still coming off as someone trying to get over, instead of being a Godly man. He was more concerned about his image, and business, than the good of the church.
NICE
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Frank's wife loved her cousin, but she seemed to love and cherish her husband's status as a Pastor more. Therefore anything that was a threat to her husband's power she took action against. Some Pastor's/Minister's wives have this type of mentality.

As for Frank, he was faithful in ministry, obedient under the Authority of the Pastor that he served under, but overtime he had gotten to the point where he forgot who he thought that Ministry was all about him. It seemed as if he to began to enjoy the status and power too much and had to be brought back down to earth. Some Pastor's have started out humble, but got too caught up in the blessings and the Glory (<--which belongs to God)....,

just my too cents...,
 

BulldogM.Ed.23 said:
As for Frank, he was faithful in ministry, obedient under the Authority of the Pastor that he served under, but overtime he had gotten to the point where he forgot who he thought that Ministry was all about him. It seemed as if he to began to enjoy the status and power too much and had to be brought back down to earth. Some Pastor's have started out humble, but got too caught up in the blessings and the Glory (<--which belongs to God)....,

just my too cents...,
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I understand that M.Ed.23, I remember a certain Bishop in New Orleans who was the same way, including his wife. Although I was very young when this Bishop who was a reverend at the time, rose to power, I remember him being very polite, and humble, and his wife was homey, and sweet as a hot sweet potatoe pie on Sunday afternoon. They were both very giving of their time, and just outright good people.

He spearheaded a charge to get a new church built, and when it was done with what seemed like the greatest of eve, this polite, and humble minister changed. His power grew, the old people that loved that church so much, began to say things, and slowly started to drift away, and so did my family. I remember this older lady who sat on the mother board saying, "this church is changing for the worse."

Richer people started coming, the love offering got bigger, a television show soon followed, a CD was dropped, and domestic acclaim was high, and the next thing you know that new building that was a little over 10 years old, was no longer big enough, and a lot of that church's faithful was all but gone, and that sweet homey young lady, was now a minister and just as ambitious, and power hungry as her husband.

A new church was leased, another church was born, and another was taken under it's wings, and the Baptist Faith that was the churches calling card was dropped for Full Gospel, that Bishop has since been humbled, and his follwer's are just as loyal, but the flamboyance that was there when he was younger is all but gone.

Thank God.

NICE
 
D-NICE said:
I understand that M.Ed.23, I remember a certain Bishop in New Orleans who was the same way, including his wife. Although I was very young when this Bishop who was a reverend at the time, rose to power, I remember him being very polite, and humble, and his wife was homey, and sweet as a hot sweet potatoe pie on Sunday afternoon. They were both very giving of their time, and just outright good people.

He spearheaded a charge to get a new church built, and when it was done with what seemed like the greatest of eve, this polite, and humble minister changed. His power grew, the old people that loved that church so much, began to say things, and slowly started to drift away, and so did my family. I remember this older lady who sat on the mother board saying, "this church is changing for the worse."

Richer people started coming, the love offering got bigger, a television show soon followed, a CD was dropped, and domestic acclaim was high, and the next thing you know that new building that was a little over 10 years old, was no longer big enough, and a lot of that church's faithful was all but gone, and that sweet homey young lady, was now a minister and just as ambitious, and power hungry as her husband.

A new church was leased, another church was born, and another was taken under it's wings, and the Baptist Faith that was the churches calling card was dropped for Full Gospel, that Bishop has since been humbled, and his follwer's are just as loyal, but the flamboyance that was there when he was younger is all but gone.

Thank God.

NICE
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That story sounds to familiar.
 
D-NICE said:
I understand that M.Ed.23, I remember a certain Bishop in New Orleans who was the same way, including his wife. Although I was very young when this Bishop who was a reverend at the time, rose to power, I remember him being very polite, and humble, and his wife was homey, and sweet as a hot sweet potatoe pie on Sunday afternoon. They were both very giving of their time, and just outright good people.

He spearheaded a charge to get a new church built, and when it was done with what seemed like the greatest of eve, this polite, and humble minister changed. His power grew, the old people that loved that church so much, began to say things, and slowly started to drift away, and so did my family. I remember this older lady who sat on the mother board saying, "this church is changing for the worse."

Richer people started coming, the love offering got bigger, a television show soon followed, a CD was dropped, and domestic acclaim was high, and the next thing you know that new building that was a little over 10 years old, was no longer big enough, and a lot of that church's faithful was all but gone, and that sweet homey young lady, was now a minister and just as ambitious, and power hungry as her husband.

A new church was leased, another church was born, and another was taken under it's wings, and the Baptist Faith that was the churches calling card was dropped for Full Gospel, that Bishop has since been humbled, and his follwer's are just as loyal, but the flamboyance that was there when he was younger is all but gone.

Thank God.

NICE
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Sounds like a church I attended once when I was in N.O. One church in three locations?
 
D-NICE said:
That would be the one.

NICE
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OK remember it well. There was this huge motorcade that escorted the Bishop in. With a White Rolls Royce in the middle with the little flags on the corner of the cars. Thought it was a remake of Coming to America.
 
ASU2002 said:
OK remember it well. There was this huge motorcade that escorted the Bishop in. With a White Rolls Royce in the middle with the little flags on the corner of the cars. Thought it was a remake of Coming to America.
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Thank God, he's not as flamboyant.

NICE
 
I agree with all that?s been said. I think another part of Boris? problem is that he has no rhythm. He seemed extremely uncomfortable?holding the mic all awkward. Even if he?s not a singer, he?s an actor and you ?learn? how to look like a singer. And D, I TOTALLY agree that the voice certainly didn?t ?match? Boris. Do we know whose voice they used? What churches were used in the movie? I think one in the end is my cousin?s church, but it was hard to tell.

I don?t want to make it look as if it?s all criticism because I truly enjoyed the message and the overall content and it was a great concept. But it just seemed a little rushed. Are we to assume he went 15 years and didn?t speak to his dad or come home? Or maybe they talked every blue moon?? David and Frankie were boys? How do you just end it because one leaves the church and his home? They needed to spend a little more time between the scene in the hospital with his mom dying and the scene opening up with him at the concert. All it said was 15 years later, next thing we know, Miss Earnestine was calling David to tell him about his dad. And from that concert scene were we supposed to believe he was a MAJOR star?? We never saw any buildup to how he got to that point. And where exactly was David living? Chicago?Philly? And wasn?t his mom?s name Lucille? Yolanda was on the headstone.

I did enjoy watching the changes in Pastor Frank. I thought Idiris did an excellent job as an arrogant pastor?he was just more believable as a power hungry pastor than a humble one. He didn?t come across as believable in his first few scenes, but has he became more arrogant he was flowing. Pastor Hunter had been there over 15 years?how do you over look that? Of course that wouldn?t have made the movie though. And what was the point of letting us know that Pastor Winston (from that New Visions church) was ?recruiting? Pastor Frank? Nothing ever became of that. As for the wife, it took them a while to let us know she couldn?t have kids?I thought he wasn?t getting nookie because she maybe had surgery and they had to wait a while. There was no background on that subject either. And we didn?t know she was church legal counsel until the end?I was wondering why she figured so prominently into the board meeting in the beginning.

I know I?m picking, but it was those parts of the movie that prevented me from really focusing on the entire message.

The last 15 minutes was probably the best part of the movie. Moved seamlessly and the music score was on point.
 
I don'y know what you all were expecting. The movie was cool, I had know complaints. I guess you all must have forgotten :rolleyes: that this was the the same director who gave us the critically acclaimed "Trois" trilogy.
 
I read in upscale magazine that Boris was actually singing and that he is working on a R&B CD.
 
D-NICE said:
I understand that M.Ed.23, I remember a certain Bishop in New Orleans who was the same way, including his wife. Although I was very young when this Bishop who was a reverend at the time, rose to power, I remember him being very polite, and humble, and his wife was homey, and sweet as a hot sweet potatoe pie on Sunday afternoon. They were both very giving of their time, and just outright good people.

He spearheaded a charge to get a new church built, and when it was done with what seemed like the greatest of eve, this polite, and humble minister changed. His power grew, the old people that loved that church so much, began to say things, and slowly started to drift away, and so did my family. I remember this older lady who sat on the mother board saying, "this church is changing for the worse."

Richer people started coming, the love offering got bigger, a television show soon followed, a CD was dropped, and domestic acclaim was high, and the next thing you know that new building that was a little over 10 years old, was no longer big enough, and a lot of that church's faithful was all but gone, and that sweet homey young lady, was now a minister and just as ambitious, and power hungry as her husband.

A new church was leased, another church was born, and another was taken under it's wings, and the Baptist Faith that was the churches calling card was dropped for Full Gospel, that Bishop has since been humbled, and his follwer's are just as loyal, but the flamboyance that was there when he was younger is all but gone.

Thank God.

NICE
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I know exactly which one you're speaking of....Time and God can change all things and it seems in recent years, he's been humbled. He can SANG too!



Uh, I agree with Killerbees on the movie.
 
The movie wasn't bad in my opinion. I am not exactly sure that it had a happy ending, but it did seem like there were some positive changes made overall.
 

Me and my Mommy finally caught this movie, today. I thought it was a very good movie...didn't really have any complaints, w/the exception of Tamyra's character graduating, at the very end. hell, I didn't even know she was in school...did I miss something, there? :xeye: Also, I didn't understand why they took so long to tell us that Nona Gaye's character couldn't conceive. And I also would have liked to see more of the 15 years, that were missed.

anywho, I didn't like Boris as a singer, nor did I like him w/hair. :D but hey, he did play the part well. I loved Idiris' (sp) character...:ebrow: Omar Gooding's character, totally fit him. :tup:

Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and will be purchasing it, once it's out on DVD. Pretty well written, w/the exception of a few things, not being elaborated on enough. Very entertaining and a good, wholesome, family movie. :tup:
 
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