SWAC Basketball AD Sellout of the Year Award Goes To......


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LaMont

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Arkansas Pine-Bluff. I just looked at the schedules and it looks like the AD over there has scheduled his team for NO LESS than 6 mercy killings. It's all about the money!?

Look, I can see a SWAC team taking one or two "cash games" to help the athletic department. But at Ark PB, they have ONLY ONE home game before January and that's the start of conference play.

Why do we continue to allow these ADs to sell out our kids just for $$$.

LaMont

Note: If you need the cash, you are better off scheduling 3 to 5 mid-major programs and playing some competitive games than getting smashed by a TOP 10 team that will NEVER give you a return home game.
 



Originally posted by LaMont
Arkansas Pine-Bluff. I just looked at the schedules and it looks like the AD over there has scheduled his team for NO LESS than 6 mercy killings. It's all about the money!?

Look, I can see a SWAC team taking one or two "cash games" to help the athletic department. But at Ark PB, they have ONLY ONE home game before January and that's the start of conference play.

Why do we continue to allow these ADs to sell out our kids just for $$$.

LaMont

Note: If you need the cash, you are better off scheduling 3 to 5 mid-major programs and playing some competitive games than getting smashed by a TOP 10 team that will NEVER give you a return home game.
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Well, when you become our AD, you make that happen, perhaps ...

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by LaMont
Why do we continue to allow these ADs to sell out our kids just for $$$.
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LaMont,

This is where you lose all credibility.

Name one school for me with a athletic department that is not trying to make $$$ using its own students.

Name one!
 
NO WAY,

At least Grambling scheduled Texas College and Wiley before they get into the heart of their schedule. But at Ark PB, they start their season by getting pettrified. My point is that if you really want to make money AND stay competitive, you are better off scheduling 2 or 3 mid majors. SWAC schools need to keep the murder games to a minimum.

The Ark PB athletic director sold his team out in an unusual way (allah Coppin State style) this season. But you don't have to believe me, just wait until January 3rd. By that time, Ark PB will not only be 1-10, but would have racked up at least 4 30point + losses.
 
Based on last year, there wasn't one SWAC school that had a record about .500 before Jan 1st.

A&M 3-4
ASU 1-5
Alcorn 2-5
GSU 0-10
JSU 1-10
Valley 4-6
PVU 3-9
SU 0-10
TxSU 1-9
UAPB 0-10

Most wins the SWAC had were against other SWAC teams or teams below the level of competition the SWAC can provide. Alcorn had a win by 2 against Arkansas State, but lost by 50 points to the same school a couple games later.

So I don't know what your point is. Seems like all SWAC schools are getting the *#@) beat out of them in games prior to Jan 1st. Might as well get the money, don't you say. I mean, why get your azz beat for nothing.
 
Well this years schedule was made last year,by the late AD who passed away in July. But you never know, UAPB might come out 11-0 when SWAC play starts. :rolleyes:


I heard the current AD said in an interview that he does not like that type of schedule, so I bet this is the last year UAPB fans will see a brutal schedule like this years schedule.

I have to admit though, this years early games are the toughest since UAPB became D1 in 1995.


Basketball is a non contact sport. The players are not going to be broken up physically by playing those games, ego may be bruised, but they will live.

Now if it were football, I would agree with you, just by the nature of football being a contact sport, I could'nt see a UAPB going up against a PRIME TIME school just for money becaused the players will be overmatched.

Giving the kids a bloody nose from playing big time programs just to pay the bills would be a sell out.
 
Lets get real - the schools need the money! We also need to win some of those games against the lower tier teams in the major conferences. If we dont play a decent schedule and win some of those games, we will be stuck in the play-in game forever. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
 
Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Most wins the SWAC had were against other SWAC teams or teams below the level of competition the SWAC can provide. Alcorn had a win by 2 against Arkansas State, but lost by 50 points to the same school a couple games later.
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Alcorn did not play Ark. State last year. Their non-conference games were against Morris Brown, Tougaloo, New Mexico State, Southern Miss, New Mexico, Alabama-Birmingham, Hawaii and Texas-El Paso. J-State played Ark State. You are right that SWAC teams don't fare well outside the conference.
 
Keep on preaching, Lamont

I agree with the brother. I have the same problem with a lot of MEAC schedules but the SWAC has a far bigger problem in this area. I've covered this ad nauseum in MEACfans so I'll just summarize here. These schedules heavily loaded with these "snuff games" KILL your conference RPI. You want to know why Alcorn St got stuck in the play-in game last year against a .500 team? That's why? These schedules give your kids no chance competitively. If the AD wants to raise money let him go to the alumni or seek corporate sponsorship and get creative like a real AD. All these money games are the lazy way out and only make your program look like a joke on ESPN highlights. This only hurts you in the long run.

-ep
 
I'm no basketball expert, but, UNTIL HBCU alumni give to their athletic programs in a big way, ADs are going to balance their budgets with big losses to money schools. Some schools make $300,000 off their money games (+/-). How many scholarships and programs would be cut if the schools went another route?

Yes it's tough on morale and the programs, But D-1 costs money and somewhere you got to balance the books. The University of Maryland Athletic Fee: Undergraduates (9+ credits) $151.50
Undergraduates (1-8 credits) $ 47.00, Graduate students $ 47.00. Add Alumni Support, good marketers for the athletic program, a good student body base, good coaching and athletes, you increase your margin of success.

So far, I've yet to a school with a Marketer or Marketing Agency promoting the athletic department. Anyone have athletic fees this high?

I know i got of track, but that's the gist of things.
 
Snuff Games

B8seball17,

You have a point there but I think a lot of our schools don't balance the financial need with the competitive need. They just load their schedule up with 5-10 consecutive snuff games on the road and call it a day. Your team goes into the conference schedule with records like 0-10 or 1-10, hopelessly behind in RPI and national rating. The fans look at that record and say, "GEEZ, WHAT'S THE POINT!" and find other stuff to do.

If you want to energize fans and alumni behind the program this is not the way to do it. You do it with WINS and you can't win playing the BIG-10, ACC, BIG EAST and SEC on the road for 5-10 consecutive games to start your season. Major conference teams don't even do that. Why? Because its suicide. You would never see Duke, as good as they are, take on such a schedule so why should we?

The key is BALANCE. I'm not saying we can't play money games. Of course we can. But with your money games why not mix in some home & homes series with good mid-major competition on your level. So go on the road play Duke if you gotta but come home to New Orleans or LA Tech. What's so wrong with that? You can win some games, generate some fan interest and boost your RPI ranking (which directly impacts your NCAA seeding) in the process.

Finally, if you still don't believe me. Take a look at the schedules of schools from those other mid-major conferences that get so many more props nationwide than we do. Look at the MAC, Horizon, Patriot, Missouri Valley et al and see what kind of games they schedule. They didn't get so far ahead of us by getting killed on the road every night vs major conference teams. They play good mid-majors and mix in one or two money games <i>if they have any at all</i> and what happens? They win 20 games if their good enough, earn RPI respectability and get seeded two and three slots ahead of SWAC and MEAC teams in the big dance.

I'd advocate no more than 3 money games per year for any team. SWAC and MEAC teams are the only ones killing themselves with more than that. Its a dependancy which only promotes a cycle of mediocrity. Our teams aren't that bad. They deserve better.

-ep
 



I thought that last years UAPB basketball coach said that they played so many money games, that it generated enough funds to aid the football program. In fact, he was upset that he only got a $7,000 recruiting budget.

So maybe, so schools are using the money games to not only fund basketball, but also other sports.
 
Look at the MAC, Horizon, Patriot, Missouri Valley et al and see what kind of games they schedule.
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How do their budgets compare to HBCU athletic budgets? How do their Booster budgets compare to HBCU's? How do their administrators handle those funds when compared to HBCU's?

Please don't confuse my point on HBCUs playing money games. I watched GSU get handled at UVA last year and it wasn't pretty. But how much would programs suffer if they eliminated half of the money games? Where do you make up the lost revenue when you play a mid level RPI school? Nicholls St. isn't forkining out the money as a UVA.

If football programs put schools in the hole financially, basketball tries to even the deficit. Hence the need for Marketing programs and strong alumni support.

All the other athletic programs should be scheduling low level RPI schools to post up dem Ws.
 
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