State Fair Classic Vol III: SUvTSU


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jag4life said:
Man there are people who go to the state fair 4-5 times a year regardless. Folks will be there.
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I'm talking about the casual "fan." There's a huge difference between paying 15 dollars for just the fair vs 28 for a combo game/fair ticket. If you seriously believe that the majority of Dallas families (who would have spent upwards of $300 for a day at the fair during the SFC) will turn around and do the same 2 weeks later then I don't know what to tell you. I never said that "folks wouldn't be there" . I'm just saying that with a much smaller crowd of casual fans, I don't think TSU will be able to make that up on their end..
 



Storm96 said:
I'm talking about the casual "fan." There's a huge difference between paying 15 dollars for just the fair vs 28 for a combo game/fair ticket. If you seriously believe that the majority of Dallas families (who would have spent upwards of $300 for a day at the fair during the SFC) will turn around and do the same 2 weeks later then I don't know what to tell you. I never said that "folks wouldn't be there" . I'm just saying that with a much smaller crowd of casual fans, I don't think TSU will be able to make that up on their end..
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That's fair enough.
 
Storm96 said:
I'm talking about the casual "fan." There's a huge difference between paying 15 dollars for just the fair vs 28 for a combo game/fair ticket. If you seriously believe that the majority of Dallas families (who would have spent upwards of $300 for a day at the fair during the SFC) will turn around and do the same 2 weeks later then I don't know what to tell you. I never said that "folks wouldn't be there" . I'm just saying that with a much smaller crowd of casual fans, I don't think TSU will be able to make that up on their end..
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Some will pick one or the other.
 
Exactly...since we moved to Dallas, we go to the fair twice every year, as do many other people that I know. Also, I think people are forgetting something about casual TSU fans. They show up when we play PV, SU, and Jackson, AND when we are winning (circa 2010). The football program is heading in the right direction so I think we will still be doing so in two years. I think this was a great move from a business decision and football wise, as both TSU and SU have increased their recruiting efforts in DFW.

jag4life said:
Man there are people who go to the state fair 4-5 times a year regardless. Folks will be there.
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Most casual fans will not pay 115 dollars for State Fair Classic tickets and turn around and pay 115 for the SU vs TSU game, and the State Fair Classic has the advantage of being the first weekend. I think 35-40k is a good healthy number for this game
 
Quite frankly, I think some of you are making the attendance issue a bigger deal than it actually is. Both games involve two totally different sets of teams. And the attendance of one game ISN'T going to have an ANY impact whatsoever on the attendance of the other.
 
DBOOSU said:
Hey don't y'all give up a home game to play tenn st in Memphis. Dam worry about jackson st . U got souther on the brain.
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We give up ONE, not two. That's enough. su would make more money at home than playing in another venue.....I would think. Don't know if I can say the same about Texas Southern.
Again, this takes away money from the community and the city of Baton Rouge and transfers it to Dallas. That's twice in one year that the little mom and pop community stores, venders, restaurants, gas stations, hotels and night clubs in and around su will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.

For all of you clamoring for this game, I challenge you to compare the losses for the su community versus the gain. You all are filling the pockets and coffers of folks in Dallas.
 
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JayRob said:
You of all people know how this will severely put a huge financial dent in the community in and around su. You just won't admit it because it's JayRob whose saying it.
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The difference is this game will be a corporate sponsored game with guaranteed monies UPFRONT, whereas the game we moved to Jackson was not and it was based solely on the number of tickets that was sold, which is not guaranteed monies UPFRONT. Alcorn moved their game from Jackson because the Jackson Tourism Bureau couldn't guarantee them a certain amount of monies UPFRONT. Basically, SU gave up home field advantage to JSU in order to split the small amount of revenue from the number of tickets sold, which SU didn't have control over. That was definitely a dumb idea created in Lafleur's mind.
 
JAG89 said:
The difference is this game will be a corporate sponsored game with guaranteed monies UPFRONT, whereas the game we moved to Jackson was not and it was based solely on the number of tickets that was sold, which is not guaranteed monies UPFRONT. Alcorn moved their game from Jackson because the Jackson Tourism Bureau couldn't guarantee them a certain amount of monies UPFRONT. Basically, SU gave up home field advantage to JSU in order to split the small amount of revenue from the number of tickets sold, which SU didn't have control over. That was definitely a dumb idea created in Lafleur's mind.
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Whether it's corporate money upfront or not is irrelevant. su always does well during home games and brings to the city and community millions of dollars.
I'm referring to those moneys.
The school and fan-base already gives New Orleans millions of it's dollars during the BC, now it wants to give millions to the city of Dallas.
Quite interesting.
 
More trolling on the Bayou Classic I see. This dude wants to compare corporate sponsor games to a school moving its home games to an opponent's stadium. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!! Even though New Orleans is closer to Baton Rouge, it is still a neutral site for both schools. Also, the Bayou Classic in New Orleans was an idea created by individuals from Grambling. Most schools if not all will move a home game if they are guaranteed a certain amount UPFRONT. Even schools in the Power 5 Conferences have moved home games, but they would never move a home game to an opponent's stadium, unless something tragic happens, such as the South Carolina home game played in LSU's stadium due to flooding in South Carolina.
 
JayRob said:
We give up ONE, not two. That's enough. su would make more money at home than playing in another venue.....I would think. Don't know if I can say the same about Texas Southern.
Again, this takes away money from the community and the city of Baton Rouge and transfers it to Dallas. That's twice in one year that the little mom and pop community stores, venders, restaurants, gas stations, hotels and night clubs in and around su will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.

For all of you clamoring for this game, I challenge you to compare the losses for the su community versus the gain. You all are filling the pockets and coffers of folks in Dallas.
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Which 2 do we give up annually?
 



jag4life said:
Which 2 do we give up annually?
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He's talking about the Bayou Classic and the State Fair in Texas. It sounds like he is still salty because SU made the decision not to play it's home game in Jackson, MS, which is something totally different than corporate sponsored games. I don't think the City of Jackson, MS is in any shape to offer any school an upfront offer that would make it worthwhile for them to move their home game to Jackson, MS. Jayrob is like these crazy Republicans who wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but doesn't have anything to replace it with, which would eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans.
 
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JAG89 said:
He's talking about the Bayou Classic and the State Fair in Texas. It sounds like he is still salty because SU made the decided not to play it's home game in Jackson, MS, which is something totally different than corporate sponsored games. I don't think the City of Jackson, MS is in any shape to offer any school an upfront offer that would make it worthwhile for them to move their home game to Jackson, MS. Jayrob is like these crazy Republicans who wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but doesn't have anything to replace it with, which would eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans.
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I wanted him to say it. LOL
 
JAG89 said:
He's talking about the Bayou Classic and the State Fair in Texas. It sounds like he is still salty because SU made the decided not to play it's home game in Jackson, MS, which is something totally different than corporate sponsored games. I don't think the City of Jackson, MS is in any shape to offer any school an upfront offer that would make it worthwhile for them to move their home game to Jackson, MS. Jayrob is like these crazy Republicans who wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but doesn't have anything to replace it with, which would eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans.
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He'll be back repeating the same thing over next year like he does with apr. Because no matter how simple you put it, it just doesn't ever sinks in for him.
 
Kenn Rashad said:
I disagree. The factors of this game will be just like it is for the GSU/PV game. The attendance of this game will be aided by those who will take advantage of the 2-for-1 deal. A game ticket will also get you into the fair - just like the GSU/PV game.

As is the case with most neutral classic games, the key is to leverage the fan bases of each school participating as well as the support of the community. Chances are - just like I witnessed with my own eyes at the GSU/PV last weekend - those in attendance with no affiliation to either school will leave after halftime to go take in the fair...regardless of how competitive the game might be. The only people who will stay are the fans of each school.

If the weather is great, the turnout will be great - just like the GSU/PV game. If the weather is bad, the attendance will suffer - just like the GSU/PV game has seen in the past.
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I don't think these fans will want to spend money on that game and then have to do their schools homecoming which will probably be a week or two after that game. GSU & PV have a established fan that has over the years dealt with this but trying to get SU TSU fans to do this may hurt one or the other. You're making them choose which do they want to attend.
 
JAG89 said:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the basic reason why schools move their home games, which is the UPFRONT money they are guaranteed.
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You like, no....you LOVE to post stats. Post how much money the city of Baton Rouge and the su communities will lose versus how much money Dallas will make off of the game being in Dallas. It's quite surprising that su would give up a home game like this.
If su sold out the Texas Southern game, concessions, parking, the selling of flags, shirts and other items. They would easily make more than 500,000 dollars for the school, and then some.
Yall were flat out crazy to do this, but that's su logic.

And on top of that, you gave up home field advantage to a team in your own division.
 
Fiyah said:
I don't think these fans will want to spend money on that game and then have to do their schools homecoming which will probably be a week or two after that game. GSU & PV have a established fan that has over the years dealt with this but trying to get SU TSU fans to do this may hurt one or the other. You're making them choose which do they want to attend.
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Good points.
 
JayRob said:
You like, no....you LOVE to post stats. Post how much money the city of Baton Rouge and the su communities will lose versus how much money Dallas will make off of the game being in Dallas. It's quite surprising that su would give up a home game like this.
If su sold out the Texas Southern game, concessions, parking, the selling of flags, shirts and other items. They would easily make more than 500,000 dollars for the school, and then some.
Yall were flat out crazy to do this, but that's su logic.

And on top of that, you gave up home field advantage to a team in your own division.
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You think everything that SU does is crazy, basically trolling every topic concerning SU. You think the Bayou Classic is crazy, which was an idea started by Grambling people. You never see the crazy waste of money JSU has made over the years by paying incompetent coaches $270k a year with a $50k instant buyout package. JSU is on their 3rd such coach, but I guess in your mind that is not a waste of time and money. Also, I have yet to see how much money JSU spent for a proposed dome. Consultants don't work for free you know. As I stated before, the moderators should allow Sarge back, since they allow you to hang around.
 
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