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The Boom kicked our arse that night.........I think we(Jukebox) were overconfident from the year before and our show was not as good as JSU's......Dowell Taylor's introduction to the SWAC that Fall.

We returned the favor in 85 though. LOL.
 



When you say the Boom kicked yall arse that night are you talking about on the field and in the stands or just on the field??
 
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When you say the Boom kicked yall arse that night are you talking about on the field and in the stands or just on the field??
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At halftime. For us back then.......halftime was everything. If you got waxed at halftime it didn't matter what you did in the stands. It was a typical SU vs JSU stand battle. Since Taylor had just gotten to JSU, we had a bigger book of music at SU in 84. So we definitely had the advantage. Really the only band that could get with us in the stands back then was Tenn State. They always had a ton of music. We played them and FAMU every year so those were the epic stand battles. Everybody else was at our mercy. One of the reasons we didn't put as much stock on the stands so much. We already had that covered. So halftime was the key measure on whether you won the battle. JSU clearly had a better conceived show. It flowed very well for them and they got our crowd into it. All the animosity between SU and JSU fans was not as fierce back then. The crowds appreciated both bands.
 
Even with that I hear a difference in opinion from most Jukes down here that marched during that time.. May be a thing similar to your boys at JSU and the thing with The N.O cats boys over at TxSU..

But from the outside looking in.. it don't look like no one got their "ass" kicked..
You get your "asskicked" when you ain't doing what you went out set to do..
And that 84 clip of SU isn't lacking by a lonnng shot....

And from reading you analysis, you saying you gave other bands a pass for not being able to compete with you all in the stands? That's where I know most of us New Orleans and other folk differ in opinion. When you at a game all of that should be covered... Field Show of course, and should be able to stand up to the opposing band across the field chowing down on your ass....lol If folks got a free pass for that, what was the purpose of repertoire night and building such a huge book?
 
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SUtrp96 said:
Even with that I hear a difference in opinion from most Jukes down here that marched during that time.. May be a thing similar to your boys at JSU and the thing with The N.O cats boys over at TxSU..

But from the outside looking in.. it don't look like no one got their "ass" kicked..
You get your "asskicked" when you ain't doing what you went out set to do..
And that 84 clip of SU isn't lacking by a lonnng shot....

And from reading you analysis, you saying you gave other bands a pass for not being able to compete with you all in the stands? That's where I know most of us New Orleans and other folk differ in opinion. When you at a game all of that should be covered... Field Show of course, and should be able to stand up to the opposing band across the field chowing down on your ass....lol If folks got a free pass for that, what was the purpose of repertoire night and building such a huge book?
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Man,
You had to be there. That's all I will say. The upperclassmen were pissed about that show from the outset. No one wanted to do The Bird......they told Roy all week we were going get waxed with that isht because it was too late to do that dance routine. The Ocean open up the season with that dance routine and so did other bands. Roy kept telling us to wait and we'll do it later. The highlight of that show was my CB Leonard Julien singing Luther Vandross Superstar with Rose Jackson (played Larenz Tate's GF in Dead Presidents) was dancing.

Our show wasn't wack........just didn't get the HOUSE that JSU did. Believe me, you could see on our faces when we got back to the stands. Doc even knew it.......he drove our arses the next week and zipped the dolls for their piss poor performance(only one they did in 84) for the Tn State game the next week in Nashville. Super 5 replaced them.

Don't know what your homeboys are saying in New Orleans. But ZN, Big Thunder and others will tell you that they got us that night on the field.


BTW, you read wrong.......nobody got a pass in the stands. We did our thing........we just didn't talk about like they do now. It wasn't about the stands for us because we already knew no one was on our level and only Tn State gave us a true battle in that department. Back then folks worried about Halftime. You had 10-12 minutes out there so you got to do alot of damage if your show was on point. Be careful on what all your homeboys say. Alot of them have their picks and chooses on who did what against us. I know damn well none of my frats from New Orleans are saying that we didn't lose that 84 battle. If they are.........well they aint being objective at all.
 
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Man,
You had to be there. That's all I will say. The upperclassmen were pissed about that show from the outset. No one wanted to do The Bird......they told Roy all week we were going get waxed with that isht because it was too late to do that dance routine. The Ocean open up the season with that dance routine and so did other bands. Roy kept telling us to wait and we'll do it later. The highlight of that show was my CB Leonard Julien singing Luther Vandross Superstar with Rose Jackson (played Larenz Tate's GF in Dead Presidents) was dancing.

Our show wasn't wack........just didn't get the HOUSE that JSU did. Believe me, you could see on our faces when we got back to the stands. Doc even knew it.......he drove our arses the next week and zipped the dolls for their piss poor performance(only one they did in 84) for the Tn State game the next week in Nashville. Super 5 replaced them.

Don't know what your homeboys are saying in New Orleans. But ZN, Big Thunder and others will tell you that they got us that night on the field.


BTW, you read wrong.......nobody got a pass in the stands. We did our thing........we just didn't talk about like they do now. It wasn't about the stands for us because we already knew no one was on our level and only Tn State gave us a true battle in that department. Back then folks worried about Halftime. You had 10-12 minutes out there so you got to do alot of damage if your show was on point. Be careful on what all your homeboys say. Alot of them have their picks and chooses on who did what against us. I know damn well none of my frats from New Orleans are saying that we didn't lose that 84 battle. If they are.........well they aint being objective at all.
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Ione JR, a lot of that don't set with me..

If the stands didn't mean much to you all like you say.. Why was SU so deadly in the stands? Why would SU have a reputation for being vicious in the stands if stands was taken so importantly.... Again, why bother preparing stand tunes outside of the crowd pleasures?

The stand footage I grew up on of your time don't reflect that attitude.. To me it look like everything was held with high regard...

And if your band is in attendance at a performance every aspect of it should count... Maybe it took some of your N.O. LB's/bandmembers to watch footage to not feel the way you feel about that battle and others.. I done been to tape parties several of times and seen all of this footage, which is why I don't really post on much of it..
Former DM "Dinky" has all of the 79-80's footage.. Brinky and the whole game be over there bragin about stands and field.. They often say how you said no one could really fug with yall in the stands.. that was the same for my time..It just came 2000s when other bands started being more prepared for stand battles.

With that said, "THIS IS ME" speaking....You don't come to a battle with a gun half LOADED if you know the opponent gun is FULLY loaded....

I promice you SU would not have the reputation they have if the "STANDS" was a none issue... All that counts!
And I have a hard time understanding how you hold your head down when someone out "DANCE ROUTINE" you....Maybe that's the New Orleans in me..Where I come from.. It was RARE bands did dance routines and you were call country if you did em....
I saw several footage of crowd reaction... And it still amazes me how the crowds in New Orleans would react greater than most SWAC crowds on a consistant basis with out Dance Routines... ie. St. Aug, Kennedy...

Long story short all of that stuff "should" count.

Now I can understand being disapointed because you didn't get to do the dance routine of your liking, but to feel like you got waxed after watching all that work you dudes put on that field that night is beyond me...

Maybe it's a difference in culture... Because I have to admit, everyone that marched with me didn't look at band the same way most of us did....Most of us being N.O. folks and the leaders of the band who were kind folk to many of them cats you marched with... We got our mentality of band from those folks.. Your (Celestines, Santa Cruzes, Herb(Jughead),Oops, Beaver(Oops cousin)...etc..)

Cool fact { Rose Jackson (played Larenz Tate's GF in Dead Presidents) } I ain't know she was Juke..

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Ione JR, a lot of that don't set with me..

If the stands didn't mean much to you all like you say.. Why was SU so deadly in the stands? Why would SU have a reputation for being vicious in the stands if stands was taken so importantly.... Again, why bother preparing stand tunes outside of the crowd pleasures?

The stand footage I grew up on of your time don't reflect that attitude.. To me it look like everything was held with high regard...

And if your band is in attendance at a performance every aspect of it should count... Maybe it took some of your N.O. LB's/bandmembers to watch footage to not feel the way you feel about that battle and others.. I done been to tape parties several of times and seen all of this footage, which is why I don't really post on much of it..
Former DM "Dinky" has all of the 79-80's footage.. Brinky and the whole game be over there bragin about stands and field.. They often say how you said no one could really fug with yall in the stands.. that was the same for my time..It just came 2000s when other bands started being more prepared for stand battles.

With that said, "THIS IS ME" speaking....You don't come to a battle with a gun half LOADED if you know the opponent gun is FULLY loaded....

I promice you SU would not have the reputation they have if the "STANDS" was a none issue... All that counts!
And I have a hard time understanding how you hold your head down when someone out "DANCE ROUTINE" you....Maybe that's the New Orleans in me..Where I come from.. It was RARE bands did dance routines and you were call country if you did em....
I saw several footage of crowd reaction... And it still amazes me how the crowds in New Orleans would react greater than most SWAC crowds on a consistant basis with out Dance Routines... ie. St. Aug, Kennedy...

Long story short all of that stuff "should" count.

Now I can understand being disapointed because you didn't get to do the dance routine of your liking, but to feel like you got waxed after watching all that work you dudes put on that field that night is beyond me...

Maybe it's a difference in culture... Because I have to admit, everyone that marched with me didn't look at band the same way most of us did....Most of us being N.O. folks and the leaders of the band who were kind folk to many of them cats you marched with... We got our mentality of band from those folks.. Your (Celestines, Santa Cruzes, Herb(Jughead),Oops, Beaver(Oops cousin)...etc..)

Cool fact { Rose Jackson (played Larenz Tate's GF in Dead Presidents) } I ain't know she was Juke..

:tup:
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Jared,
You are not taking it the right way. The Jukebox got its stand cred do the number of tunes we would have and our sound. The 70s cats will tell you that. Chicago Jag and OnlySU have mentioned that before. Since we were a primarily brass band......the sound has been there all those years. But I am telling you. WE in the band were not emphasizing the stands. That reputation was something that happened and not that we were trying to be a stands band. Our motto was to kick arse at halftime. Sure we did the best at everything so it aint like we were like the hell with the stands. It was just not something we talked about all the time. We knew no one else was on our level in the stands because of our book and the sound. Most bands ran out of music against us. Hence we developing a great stand band reputation. But most folks first impression of SU was the drilling on the field back then. Doc even emphasized it. Only Tenn State who didn't drill all that well in my opinion was a band that would go toe to toe with us in the stands. My section leader my crab year was only hyped to go at Tn State in the stands. Everybody else was not going to fare well at all. I think years went by and when yall arrived, more bands had geared themselves to be more competative in the stands instead of taking those arsewhoopings they used too. Some bands wouldn't even try to battle us in the stands. They already knew the deal. All this stands emphasis happened way after us. You had to win halftime back then to feel complete. Hell some bands practiced their arses off for SU to deal with us at halftime because they could not match us in the stands. That's why we were trying to have a show with house in mind (Roy Johnson qoute).

I think you gathering that I said we didn't want to play in the stands or something or didn't try hard in the stands. We had repertoire night on Friday night that went into the wee hours of the morning......so it wasn't like we didn't practice our book for the stands. It was just not a point of emphasis is what I am getting at. It came naturally. You practice your book.....and you are ready for the stands. We spent more time on drills than anything. Doc changed the show alot more back then.
 
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Jared,
You are not taking it the right way. The Jukebox got its stand cred do the number of tunes we would have and our sound. The 70s cats will tell you that. Chicago Jag and OnlySU have mentioned that before. Since we were a primarily brass band......the sound has been there all those years. But I am telling you. WE in the band were not emphasizing the stands. That reputation was something that happened and not that we were trying to be a stands band. Our motto was to kick arse at halftime. Sure we did the best at everything so it aint like we were like the hell with the stands. It was just not something we talked about all the time. We knew no one else was on our level in the stands because of our book and the sound. Most bands ran out of music against us. Hence we developing a great stand band reputation. But most folks first impression of SU was the drilling on the field back then. Doc even emphasized it. Only Tenn State who didn't drill all that well in my opinion was a band that would go toe to toe with us in the stands. My section leader my crab year was only hyped to go at Tn State in the stands. Everybody else was not going to fare well at all. I think years went by and when yall arrived, more bands had geared themselves to be more competative in the stands instead of taking those arsewhoopings they used too. Some bands wouldn't even try to battle us in the stands. They already knew the deal. All this stands emphasis happened way after us. You had to win halftime back then to feel complete. Hell some bands practiced their arses off for SU to deal with us at halftime because they could not match us in the stands. That's why we were trying to have a show with house in mind (Roy Johnson qoute).

I think you gathering that I said we didn't want to play in the stands or something or didn't try hard in the stands. We had repertoire night on Friday night that went into the wee hours of the morning......so it wasn't like we didn't practice our book for the stands. It was just not a point of emphasis is what I am getting at. It came naturally. You practice your book.....and you are ready for the stands. We spent more time on drills than anything. Doc changed the show alot more back then.
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I guess I what I was getting was "you guys didn't take the stands that serious".. My only question to that was, "Well why the long nights going over the book"? If you see what I amn saying...

We marched under the same head.. So of course Field Show was heavily emphasised along with getting "House".. maybe a few year after you left the shows didn't change up much... I know my sophmore and senior year we made minor changes (for away game then following week home game) and changed the show completely for back to back home weeks.. My crab year, I kid you not we performed a completely different show EVERY week..Maybe that was due to Mr.J becoming full-time that year and him getting Doc to pull out some of them old drills...Every drill I see from the 80's even thfew 70's footage I see, we performed in 96 for the exception of the step one.. We wore that one out in 99... And of course we didn't get a chance to do that stick man show you all did in 86....(we ain't have the numbers on the field.)

I guess the term "waxing" by a band that overall didn't work harder than you all isn't what I would call a waxing.... Just a difference in how we use the terminology I guess..
 
I fill what your saying about Jsu's show...... You could tell that they had something to prove coming from that 83 game you can see and hear the energy in them....Plus it seemed like the crowd was shocked from the first couple of notes from that Caribbean Queen they also seemed to be into that Janet Jackson tune Don't Stand Another Chance performed for the J-Settes all and all I think both bands performed very well......... Would love to see what those stands looked like though lol.


JR said:
At halftime. For us back then.......halftime was everything. If you got waxed at halftime it didn't matter what you did in the stands. It was a typical SU vs JSU stand battle. Since Taylor had just gotten to JSU, we had a bigger book of music at SU in 84. So we definitely had the advantage. Really the only band that could get with us in the stands back then was Tenn State. They always had a ton of music. We played them and FAMU every year so those were the epic stand battles. Everybody else was at our mercy. One of the reasons we didn't put as much stock on the stands so much. We already had that covered. So halftime was the key measure on whether you won the battle. JSU clearly had a better conceived show. It flowed very well for them and they got our crowd into it. All the animosity between SU and JSU fans was not as fierce back then. The crowds appreciated both bands.
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illinijag said:
We brought plenty heat that night. During my four years in the box I can't recall but one other game where we may have brought more Heat; that was a game against TennState in Nashville 1984.

However, in 1984 The Boom brought much heat to Mumford. Heat like I never experienced during my 10 yrs (jr high - College) of band competition. What I, learn in 1984 "Heat is much better applied than received".

...in the end band competition makes better bands...and hopefully better people. In all of the bashing you hear between the Box and the Boom, I don't think either will wish for the day when they cannot compete with the other.....

Good Day and God Bless
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This is from an upperclassman from 84 commenting on 83 SU vs JSU and then SU vs JSU in 84 and what happened to poor Tn State in 84 the week after the JSU came to Mumford.
 
JR said:
... The Jukebox got its stand cred do the number of tunes we would have and our sound. The 70s cats will tell you that. Chicago Jag and OnlySU have mentioned that before. ... But I am telling you. WE in the band were not emphasizing the stands ... Our motto was to kick arse at halftime. ...
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True Dat.

As a (very) old head, I am taken aback by all of this emphasis on "The 5th Quarter" and "Who got who in the stands." Back in the day, it was 90% about halftime and if you got waxed there, what happened in the stands didn't matter.

We did place a lot of emphasis on having a big book but that was a part of what The Jukebox was all about. Just like any jukebox, we could play whatever you wanted to hear -- if it was out and it was hot, we were playing it. And oh by the way, if you wanted to match us song for song, you'd better pack a lunch cause we were not going to run out of songs before you did.

That said, back in the 70's it was all about who took halftime. If you didn't TCB during your halftime show, nothing you did afterwards was going to atone for that.
 
ChicagoJag said:
True Dat.

As a (very) old head, I am taken aback by all of this emphasis on "The 5th Quarter" and "Who got who in the stands." Back in the day, it was 90% about halftime and if you got waxed there, what happened in the stands didn't matter.

We did place a lot of emphasis on having a big book but that was a part of what The Jukebox was all about. Just like any jukebox, we could play whatever you wanted to hear -- if it was out and it was hot, we were playing it. And oh by the way, if you wanted to match us song for song, you'd better pack a lunch cause we were not going to run out of songs before you did.

That said, back in the 70's it was all about who took halftime. If you didn't TCB during your halftime show, nothing you did afterwards was going to atone for that.
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I agree with ChicagoJag 100%. We were concerned about having a big book, even when no one else seemed to care (with the exception of Tenn St.). We used the book in the 5th to run out the opposing band and then perform to our awaiting fans. It would have been a SIN to leave before the other band.

We were arrogant because no one gave us a reason not to be. Based on what I hear about the 5Th, it would be safe to say that We (the Box) created it or played a major role in promoting so much interest in it. Being in The Jukebox was not something we did for the money, scholarship or a free academic ride; It was something we lived and breathed.... We were told that we were the best, we act as if we were the best...and we believed it.

Good day and God Bless.
 



All of that may be true as to how you all approached half time and the stands.. but SU's main feeder city (New Orleans) interpreted you all stand performances for more than what you all intended it to be.... It's good to hear how you all felt about the stands.. But you alls actions created a whole nother monster in New Orleans that took (Stand performances) an entirely different way....

Again the tone I hear about the stands from you guys is a bit different from what I hear/heard from the New Orleans folks that marched during that time.. Not saying they put stands over the field show performance...(which is the major misconception about how my era weighed the two)....

Difference is like you all had no competition in the stands... but competition on the field... it was visa versa for my time for the exception of FAMU... Not many bands were even taking care of the basic fundamentals when it came to marching, so it really was a bore to discuss a field show performance when it was clear to see most other bands didn't put forth more than half the effort we put on the field to not look amateur at what it was we or they were doing.

Stands was more discussed during my time and now because "other" bands actually DO a hellava lot better in the stands than on the field now a days...So that's usually the argument they want to hold.. most of you that see or have seen these boards in the past....That's where other bands try to aim at SU ..
You can tell by the conversations on here, they don't even TRY nor expect to out march/execute SU on the field... They rather look for miscues in a SU show to solidify their band's weaknesses...(All SU bands from what I seen *80's - Present* has had miscues)
When it's like that, it's not even worth talking about a field show...

My New Orleans mentality don't even allow me to give "DANCE ROUTINES" props when the dayum marching and alignment is OFF...and I can ID St. Aug my hometown HIGH SCHOOL band as being a band that can take a lot of these college bands to the wood shed on the field (Some in the stands). SO FIELD shows become the "light' spot of the topic... Make no mistake, SU band still emphasis it.. cause if we didn't ..ALL other bands wouldn't STILL be so dayum intimidated by us when it comes to field...

It's no mistake why OTHER bands are NOW brass heavy and doing what ever they can to TRY to out power SU...
Understanding all of that, it should not be hard to understand why Stands are more TALKED about rather than Field.. well especially if it's SU and another band debating.. FIELD is almost never a debate...
 
SUtrp96 said:
All of that may be true as to how you all approached half time and the stands.. but SU's main feeder city (New Orleans) interpreted you all stand performances for more than what you all intended it to be.... It's good to hear how you all felt about the stands.. But you alls actions created a whole nother monster in New Orleans that took (Stand performances) an entirely different way....

Again the tone I hear about the stands from you guys is a bit different from what I hear/heard from the New Orleans folks that marched during that time.. Not saying they put stands over the field show performance...(which is the major misconception about how my era weighed the two)....

Difference is like you all had no competition in the stands... but competition on the field... it was visa versa for my time for the exception of FAMU... Not many bands were even taking care of the basic fundamentals when it came to marching, so it really was a bore to discuss a field show performance when it was clear to see most other bands didn't put forth more than half the effort we put on the field to not look amateur at what it was we or they were doing.

Stands was more discussed during my time and now because "other" bands actually DO a hellava lot better in the stands than on the field now a days...So that's usually the argument they want to hold.. most of you that see or have seen these boards in the past....That's where other bands try to aim at SU ..
You can tell by the conversations on here, they don't even TRY nor expect to out march/execute SU on the field... They rather look for miscues in a SU show to solidify their band's weaknesses...(All SU bands from what I seen *80's - Present* has had miscues)
When it's like that, it's not even worth talking about a field show...

My New Orleans mentality don't even allow me to give "DANCE ROUTINES" props when the dayum marching and alignment is OFF...and I can ID St. Aug my hometown HIGH SCHOOL band as being a band that can take a lot of these college bands to the wood shed on the field (Some in the stands). SO FIELD shows become the "light' spot of the topic... Make no mistake, SU band still emphasis it.. cause if we didn't ..ALL other bands wouldn't STILL be so dayum intimidated by us when it comes to field...

It's no mistake why OTHER bands are NOW brass heavy and doing what ever they can to TRY to out power SU...
Understanding all of that, it should not be hard to understand why Stands are more TALKED about rather than Field.. well especially if it's SU and another band debating.. FIELD is almost never a debate...
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Dzam, J. You saved me alot of keystrokes.

I ain't gon' lie...right after I did my first show, I knew right then that no band was puting in work like the "S" on the field. I had BEEN out of the "dance routine is everything" mode by my Jr year in HS. So, by my first or second week, I could see how much more on top of things the "S" really was.

I ain't seen or heard about a band practice more crucial than the "S" (even now days, still). So, usually, ain't no need to go into it. Esp, if you ain't march'n worth a isht. Heck, I used to feel cheated, get'n my issue for marching...and, other band's crabs were skating on Saturday's...:retard:

"Just can't wait to get to that dance routine"....:retard:

To me...That's HS isht.


I mean...judging halftimes ain't even fun anymore. I'd rather hear you stand still and try to make me NOT laugh, now days. When it comes to the Jukebox...and, alot more old heads that yall are NOT giving credit for, numbers wise...I wanna make sure we straight in those stands.

Why?

Because that's where the impact is. And, plus, video clips ain't used to travel, like they do now. I know all I had on road trips were audio back in the day. From there, I learned where the "S" REALLY was, musically (where we all started first....not dance'n to get house). I found myself listening to tapes with nothing but SU games and practices. I get that from the stands....cuz, the field can cover up alot of weakness, musically. And, at the end of the day...that's what we're about...right?

I know that's what Im about....:nod:

Ive always made no bones about it. Im more bout those stands. I love the field...but, my motto has always been...."If you sound like garbage in the stands....why would I wanna hear you while marching/moving?".

To me...I don't care how fiya your dance routine is...that's a waste of my time and yours.


:retard: @ me ending up typing alot, anyway....:lol:
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Dzam, J. You saved me alot of keystrokes.

I ain't gon' lie...right after I did my first show, I knew right then that no band was puting in work like the "S" on the field. I had BEEN out of the "dance routine is everything" mode by my Jr year in HS. So, by my first or second week, I could see how much more on top of things the "S" really was.

I ain't seen or heard about a band practice more crucial than the "S" (even now days, still). So, usually, ain't no need to go into it. Esp, if you ain't march'n worth a isht. Heck, I used to feel cheated, get'n my issue for marching...and, other band's crabs were skating on Saturday's...:retard:

"Just can't wait to get to that dance routine"....:retard:

To me...That's HS isht.


I mean...judging halftimes ain't even fun anymore. I'd rather hear you stand still and try to make me NOT laugh, now days. When it comes to the Jukebox...and, alot more old heads that yall are NOT giving credit for, numbers wise...I wanna make sure we straight in those stands.

Why?

Because that's where the impact is. And, plus, video clips ain't used to travel, like they do now. I know all I had on road trips were audio back in the day. From there, I learned where the "S" REALLY was, musically (where we all started first....not dance'n to get house). I found myself listening to tapes with nothing but SU games and practices. I get that from the stands....cuz, the field can cover up alot of weakness, musically. And, at the end of the day...that's what we're about...right?

I know that's what Im about....:nod:

Ive always made no bones about it. Im more bout those stands. I love the field...but, my motto has always been...."If you sound like garbage in the stands....why would I wanna hear you while marching/moving?".

To me...I don't care how fiya your dance routine is...that's a waste of my time and yours.


:retard: @ me ending up typing alot, anyway....:lol:
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lol @ " :retard: @ me ending up typing alot, anyway....:lol: "

When it comes to the truth, it all tends to come out...lol..

But that was a good point...Video rarely "well surely no where near as much as it do now" (Which is why some of these older cats are seeing some of their perfomances on tape for the first time in over 20 years...lol ...

Most of the footage I had was audio as well.. Practice footage, performances in the stands, block band formation tunes for the dolls...etc.....

Being from here, we already had a GREAT appreciation for the field... H3ll we kept hearing Doc was getting ideas from Hamp over at the Aug, or what ever the talk was.... But St. Aug was our example as for as field here in New Orleans... Now what amazed us more about SU than St.Aug on the field back then was the faster tempo.. Actually it was a SIN to do a dance routine here in New Orleans.. I can only imagine the love New Orleans had for SU, SU would have been the only band to get away with DOING a dance routine...

Our crowd was the hardest marching critques I've ever been around... The crowd.. (That's right, your momma, pops, aunt, uncle, grandma, cousins.. who all didn't play an instrument, knew when someone F'ed up on the field... that was the judging field for us...)Don't fugg up on the field because the crowd will SHOLLLL tell it... Fug around and do a dance routine and you would fugg your high school's reputation up for atleast 2 years......lol
 
If you marched in the Juke......you saw film of every performance the Monday after the game. Can't speak for the other schools.

Also bands spied on you. They just don't need to come to your game to do it since stuff is posted immediately on the internet. Back in the day......you would see cats show up at our games when they had an off week. Be recording with their little tape recorders. Then go back and tell their band directors what we did on the field. It was done all the time. Just like it is today....just with different devices.

I know you cats don't believe some of us because of some folks you may have talked to that marched back then. But I will be willing to bet the majority of the band felt the way that OnlySU, Chicago Jag and Illinois Jag has posted along with myself, ZN, Big Thunder and Zock.

Some old Jukes will swear they never got waxed or we all will disagree how something went down. Even if it really happened. It is what it is. Just depends on who you talk to and who their audience is. LOL. Some of us are just more objective than some of our fellow former band mates. I know cats who will never give any band any due no matter what they did on the field. Or felt like they were the coldest that ever came through SU. LOL.

Oops and I was just talking about that along with our St. Aug LB Peabody. You don't even want to know how he felt about the rest of New Orleans HS. LOL.
 
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If you marched in the Juke......you saw film of every performance the Monday after the game. Can't speak for the other schools.

Also bands spied on you. They just don't need to come to your game to do it since stuff is posted immediately on the internet. Back in the day......you would see cats show up at our games when they had an off week. Be recording with their little tape recorders. Then go back and tell their band directors what we did on the field. It was done all the time. Just like it is today....just with different devices.

I know you cats don't believe some of us because of some folks you may have talked to that marched back then. But I will be willing to bet the majority of the band felt the way that OnlySU, Chicago Jag and Illinois Jag has posted along with myself, ZN, Big Thunder and Zock.

Some old Jukes will swear they never got waxed or we all will disagree how something went down. Even if it really happened. It is what it is. Just depends on who you talk to and who their audience is. LOL. Some of us are just more objective than some of our fellow former band mates. I know cats who will never give any band any due no matter what they did on the field. Or felt like they were the coldest that ever came through SU. LOL.

Oops and I was just talking about that along with our St. Aug LB Peabody. You don't even want to know how he felt about the rest of New Orleans HS. LOL.
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Trust me, I grew up with cats from yeh high who went on to St.Aug and develope that "NO ONE can fugg with St.AUg mentality"... H3ll most of them were brainwashed by the assistants that they were better than SU, so what you think they were telling them about the other high schools!?!?!?...LOL That was no secret.. And the funny thing is, it was folks I sat over in middle school... Who went up to SU and still sat behind me....LOL

Also had a god-brother/cousin that played in the band there from 84-87, my middle school director played there from 79-82.. I was his section leader for 2 years over a trumpet section of 30...And he had NOTHING nice to say about other high schools other than the AUG... He tried his best to get me to go there... But I just didn't want to go.. had a full ride to play in the band there too..

But I don't think the point of what we are saying is "WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU ALL"... We just saying "THIS IS THE REASON OUR GROUP LOOK AT THINGS A BIT DIFFERENTLY".... and that would carry over when we do look at some old footage and you guys say differently... Just different mentalities I guess....

It's funny how we all marched in the same band under tha same head, got the job done and have some what different takes on the same program..
Just chalk it up as to being no one's fault but time... No out look is right or wrong, just different things attracted us to the "SAME" program..

Kinda like a chick.. the SAME chick "Arse" may attract me to her, where the same chick "Chest" may attract you to her......:D :lecture:
"SAME THING".....LOL
 
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SUtrp,

You have to think of who you are talking to. This is what GR says when he talks about how selfish the bands are today. I was not even born when JRs old azz marched ( :D) but I bet they were not playing during the whole game. Bands also didn't enter the stadium 2 hours or even an hour early for a battle...on top of that, MOST FANS don't get to games until midway thru first quarter and they leave either after halftime or by the middle of the 4th unless it's a really good game. Most of what you all focus on (the stands) is not seen or heard by most of the audience. So halftime is REALLY the only thing that 95% of the fans care about and that mentality is going to be hard to change for most people. On top of that, you cant even hear the band in the stadium when they are in the stands depending on where you are sitting so for the general audience, the stands is a waste. Even those who stay after the game are not ALL there to hear the band....at least not to critically examine them. Most are there simply because they like music or the dance girls. So to the average fans, bands rob us of what we want to see when the focus is on each other in the stands rather than halftime.

So I think when JR expresses his concern about losing halftime it's because most people judge halftime. You might wreck someone in the stands but if you get wrecked at halftime, the general concensus is going to be that the band that won at the half was better. If your audience was music or marching experts (like me), you would have a point. :D
 
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SUtrp,

You have to think of who you are talking to. This is what GR says when he talks about how selfish the bands are today. I was not even born when JRs old azz marched ( :D) but I bet they were not playing during the whole game. Bands also didn't enter the stadium 2 hours or even an hour early for a battle...on top of that, MOST FANS don't get to games until midway thru first quarter and they leave either after halftime or by the middle of the 4th unless it's a really good game. Most of what you all focus on (the stands) is not seen or heard by most of the audience. So halftime is REALLY the only thing that 95% of the fans care about and that mentality is going to be hard to change for most people. On top of that, you cant even hear the band in the stadium when they are in the stands depending on where you are sitting so for the general audience, the stands is a waste. Even those who stay after the game are not ALL there to hear the band....at least not to critically examine them. Most are there simply because they like music or the dance girls. So to the average fans, bands rob us of what we want to see when the focus is on each other in the stands rather than halftime.

So I think when JR expresses his concern about losing halftime it's because most people judge halftime. You might wreck someone in the stands but if you get wrecked at halftime, the general concensus is going to be that the band that won at the half was better. If your audience was music or marching experts (like me), you would have a point. :D
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I'm not disputing nothing you just posted.. matter of fact it look like you copied and paste that from one of Jr's old post....lol which is not the issue..

But since you brought it up.. my and many others from my town mentality is the way it is because majority of folk at games while coming up here in New Orleans do KNOW and understand music.. Most folk who wasnt in the band spend several hours watching our bands practice, listening to GREATs such as (doc Harris, Lloyd Harris former SU DM back in 58 or so, Richardson of Bell, Brown, DIckerson now over at Valley, the Torreganos Head BD at Valley, Jones..etc) preach to us, they eventually learn what was proper technique and BAD technique when it came to PLAYING and Marching.

And furthermore "getting wrecked at halftime" is something that don't happen to a band that look the way and sound the way that 84 SU edition sounds on this clip... Maybe I am missing something... Most I am willing to believe from not being there is JSU got the best of the crowd that night.... Because we all know it's not that easy to determine who really won the crowd over off of a one-sided clip.. So I can go with that.. but to say SU got wrecked on that clip... IMO I think anyone that says that lost their mind... That intro to "Superstar" along will eliminate even a TODAYS Valley band from getting wrecked on the field... I know some old school folk like making each other feel good... but saying SU got WRECKED/ARSes KICKED is a bit stretching...

JMO....Even TapeMaster who don't really like to debate had to question that notion...LOL and rightfully so...

JSU rocked the crowd more ..."OK".. but SU got their ASRES kicked DRAGGED or what ever... I ain't buying that....
Don't know if it is a Sippi thang.. but the times JSU Admits to SU tearing into their ARSE, usually the entire consensus that views the same footage TOTALLY agrees, whether it be because how crucial SU was or how not so good JSU was.... There is nothing on that clip that says SU wasn't "THAT" good.. matter of fact that clip screams SU was DAYUM Good......
 
SUtrp96 said:
I'm not disputing nothing you just posted.. matter of fact it look like you copied and paste that from one of Jr's old post....lol which is not the issue..

But since you brought it up.. my and many others from my town mentality is the way it is because majority of folk at games while coming up here in New Orleans do KNOW and understand music.. Most folk who wasnt in the band spend several hours watching our bands practice, listening to GREATs such as (doc Harris, Lloyd Harris former SU DM back in 58 or so, Richardson of Bell, Brown, DIckerson now over at Valley, the Torreganos Head BD at Valley, Jones..etc) preach to us, they eventually learn what was proper technique and BAD technique when it came to PLAYING and Marching.

And furthermore "getting wrecked at halftime" is something that don't happen to a band that look the way and sound the way that 84 SU edition sounds on this clip... Maybe I am missing something... Most I am willing to believe from not being there is JSU got the best of the crowd that night.... Because we all know it's not that easy to determine who really won the crowd over off of a one-sided clip.. So I can go with that.. but to say SU got wrecked on that clip... IMO I think anyone that says that lost their mind... That intro to "Superstar" along will eliminate even a TODAYS Valley band from getting wrecked on the field... I know some old school folk like making each other feel good... but saying SU got WRECKED/ARSes KICKED is a bit stretching...

JMO....Even TapeMaster who don't really like to debate had to question that notion...LOL and rightfully so...

JSU rocked the crowd more ..."OK".. but SU got their ASRES kicked DRAGGED or what ever... I ain't buying that....
Don't know if it is a Sippi thang.. but the times JSU Admits to SU tearing into their ARSE, usually the entire consensus that views the same footage TOTALLY agrees, whether it be because how crucial SU was or how not so good JSU was.... There is nothing on that clip that says SU wasn't "THAT" good.. matter of fact that clip screams SU was DAYUM Good......
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I don't think I was saying we were not good. But we lost that night bruh. Simple as that. They had a better show. That is all. The tape does no justice. They got the house that night. Outside of my CB Leonard Julien singing that night on the field was not what we wanted. But we knew that going in. The upperclassmen never wanted to do that show from the beginning. They knew JSU was coming with some smoke after what happened in 83. Doc wasn't expecting a new and very young band director in Dowell Taylor would be up to the challenge.

You can ask Oops who he thought won that night since yall see him down there all the time. Illinois Jag done already said it on here. We were crabs. I was pissed because being from Jackson I was out there blowing my arse off and marching my arse off that night. But their show just flowed better than ours. We had microphone problems....had a tuba player slip on The Bird routine and the fact the song was just old at the time for that season. Folks had done it. So it wasn't that we were sorry or something. But the staff....namely Roy Johnson screwed the pooch that week. Even Doc was pissed after the game. He worked the isht out of us the next week.......zipped the Dolls for their piss poor performance that night......(the JSU game was their only performance that year)......Tn State caught an arsewhooping that next week because of that homecoming night. The only solace was that we beat JSU on the football field.

We appreciate yall thinking we were on point. But as far as we were concerned that night........we took an L. I will argue anyone who was there that night to dispute it. If they do.....they are straight up lying and having too much pride to admit another band just had a better show. Aint nothing wrong with that. Hell that was the last time we took an L to them mofos while I was there.

See Jared.......you were not part of the Juke that night. You would have felt the same had you experienced it that night. That was the pride we had making us pissed. We knew we were a better band, but the show we had was not what it should have been. Folks were madder than a mofo and I wish someone would post the next weeks game in Nashville on how bad we fugged over TnState. It was a slaughter that night. Mind you Tn State was bringing the heat in the stands....but we were acting like we were on steroids that night. That was what Illinois Jag was talking about being worse than what they had did to JSU the year before.
 
Tigerpride said:
Most of what you all focus on (the stands) is not seen or heard by most of the audience. So halftime is REALLY the only thing that 95% of the fans care about and that mentality is going to be hard to change for most people. On top of that, you cant even hear the band in the stadium when they are in the stands depending on where you are sitting so for the general audience, the stands is a waste.
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Your numbers are skewed. And, your reality ain't SU's reality. Not now days, it's not.

First off....you can hear the "S" from anywhere in the stadium. That's fact.

I think you sleep'n on how much the stand game has grown all the way around. Heck, the meac has even gotten deeper into it. And, you KNOW how they used to get on the SWAC for sounding SWACish and only caring about the stands....:retard:


95%?....nah, playa. I ain't buy'n that one....:lol:


Just like I tell any JSt.er, when they swear SU ain't kick'n as much arse as they say...."look at the numbers/views/comments".

Same thing here.....folks run to those stand clips. Folks can't wait for someone to make a clip with both bands playing the same song. 5th Quarters are big...and, often turn into conspiracty theories about why it's NOT up, if it's not up in a timely manner ( :lol: ). And, recently...due to a band right in your own back yard...Zero Quarters have an aisle in the bandhead video store.

So, if you wanna say halftime ain't any less popular. I'll return and say that the stands have gotten that much more popular, due to the internet.

Im going by what I see...and, those halftime clip numbers are suffering. Not saying folks don't look at halftime clips. But, they just don't get as much play.

So, don't hold it against someone for not believing that 95% of the crowd that came to see the bands, are mainly there for halftime. Folks like to be fake and hold up some kind of "musical" front or oath, and say their main focus is halftime....when they're the main ones there 2 hours early...and, staying until the lights go out. And, mad as he!! when it ain't no fifth.

Don't take my word for it. Peep it for yourself.
 
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O'Bladerunner said:
Your numbers are skewed. And, your reality ain't SU's reality. Not now days, it's not.

First off....you can hear the "S" from anywhere in the stadium. That's fact.

I think you sleep'n on how much the stand game has grown all the way around. Heck, the meac has even gotten deeper into it. And, you KNOW how they used to get on the SWAC for sounding SWACish and only caring about the stands....:retard:


95%?....nah, playa. I ain't buy'n that one....:lol:


Just like I tell any JSt.er, when they swear SU ain't kick'n as much arse as they say...."look at the numbers/views/comments".

Same thing here.....folks run to those stand clips. Folks can't wait for someone to make a clip with both bands playing the same song. 5th Quarters are big...and, often turn into conspiracty theories about why it's NOT up, if it's not up in a timely manner ( :lol: ). And, recently...due to a band right in your own back yard...Zero Quarters have an aisle in the bandhead video store.

So, if you wanna say halftime ain't any less popular. I'll return and say that the stands have gotten that much more popular, due to the internet.

Im going by what I see...and, those halftime clip numbers are suffering. Not saying folks don't look at halftime clips. But, they just don't get as much play.

So, don't hold it against someone for not believing that 95% of the crowd that came to see the bands, are mainly there for halftime. Folks like to be fake and hold up some kind of "musical" front or oath, and say their main focus is halftime....when they're the main ones there 2 hours early...and, staying until the lights go out. And, mad as he!! when it ain't no fifth.

Don't take my word for it. Peep it for yourself.
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But dayum near 100% of the people watching the clips are the 5% of the people in the audience who care about the stands. Is the average fan going to a band website AT ALL? ...if an average fan happens to stumble upon a band site, they gonna look for halftime shows and maybe some songs they like from THEIR school. They not gonna try to compare it to how Howard played it.

...and no you can't hear the Jukebox anywhere in a stadium. In Jackson last year, I sat at the very top on the SU side, one section from your band...granted I was at the top but I couldn't hear SU...not enough to make out what was being played and I bet the people down on the 30 yard line couldn't either.
 
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