Southern No. 25 in Sports Network Division I-AA Poll


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Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm

1. Southern Illinois Salukis (102) 9-1 2,667 1
2. Furman Paladins (3) 7-2 2,552 3
3. Sam Houston State Bearkats (1) 8-1 2,366 4
4. James Madison Dukes (1) 8-1 2,250 7
5. Western Kentucky Hilltoppers 7-2 2,241 5
6. Georgia Southern Eagles 8-2 2,150 2
7. New Hampshire Wildcats 7-2 1,887 8
8. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 8-1 1,783 9
9. Montana Grizzlies 7-2 1,757 10
10. William & Mary Tribe 7-2 1,566 13
11. Delaware Blue Hens 6-3 1,561 6
12. Wofford Terriers 7-2 1,542 12
13. Hampton Pirates 8-1 1,399 14
14. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 7-1 1,253 15
15. Harvard Crimson 8-0 1,160 16
16. Eastern Washington Eagles 7-3 991 21
17. Penn Quakers 7-1 955 20
18. Cal Poly Mustangs 7-2 828 11
19. Northwestern State Demons 6-3 626 22
20. Alabama State Hornets 7-1 502 25
21. UC Davis Aggies 6-2 494 23
22. Colgate Raiders 6-3 436 24
23. Montana State Bobcats 6-3 314 17
24. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 8-1 261 NR
25. Southern Jaguars 7-2 225 NR
Others receiving votes: South Carolina State 191, Villanova 179, North Dakota State 124, Nicholls State 123, Stephen F. Austin 109, Northern Iowa 77, Appalachian State 76, Southeastern Louisiana 34, Portland State 21, Tennessee Tech 20, Arkansas-Pine Bluff 17, Bethune-Cookman 15, Lafayette 14, Massachusetts 5.

As of November 8, 2004, at 01:43 PM ET


looks like the SWAC title game will be a game with two top-ranked teams
NOTE: Sheridan Poll looks like it'll be out tomorrow...
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enswaclopedia said:
Wouldn't it have looked better it this thread were titled:
Bama State No. 20 in Sports Network Division I-AA Poll
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well...Bama State cracked the poll last week...so that was the new thing last week...With teams losing and them winning, it would've been only natural for them to move up in the polls...

besides, Southern was ranked in some Division I-AA top 25s prior to the season starting, so them returning to the polls is the new thing.

However, if Bama state would've jumped up to No. 1 ...then that would've been the title of the thread...

hell, better yet...should've renamed the post..why a team southern beat is ranked higher than them...or why is Albany State number one in the Sheridan Poll....or SWAC title game could possibly be one of the better games of the Division I-AA post season.
 
hell, better yet...should've renamed the post..why a team southern beat is ranked higher than them...or why is Albany State number one in the Sheridan Poll....or SWAC title game could possibly be one of the better games of the Division I-AA post season.[/QUOTE]





Co-sign!!
 
Well looking at the both teams' whole body of work, ASU has one loss, a 1 pt come from behind win by Southern, whereas Southern lost to a suspect McNeese team and a S. Dakota St. team in its 1st year in 1-AA that Southern should have blown out.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Well looking at the both teams' whole body of work, ASU has one loss, a 1 pt come from behind win by Southern, whereas Southern lost to a suspect McNeese team and a S. Dakota St. team in its 1st year in 1-AA that Southern should have blown out.
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Now, I'll co-sign that.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Well looking at the both teams' whole body of work, ASU has one loss, a 1 pt come from behind win by Southern, whereas Southern lost to a suspect McNeese team and a S. Dakota St. team in its 1st year in 1-AA that Southern should have blown out.
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I agree fully with what you're saying. I personally say all three ranked HBCUs should be a little higher in the polls (but we all know there are other forces at work)..heck SC State could be ranked by this time next week.

Barring any catastrophes, this year's SCG should be the biggest, and best since the first one. If Bama State and Southern run the table...that'll set up a game with two ranked teams...and given the "revenge game" angle this game will have, there should be a good deal of buzz heading into this game.

Can we get Mach or PNeck to check how many times both participants in the SCG were ranked in the Top 25 heading into the game?
 
I just hope like hell it isn't raining and freezing this year at Legion (I am going though). :lol:
 
Journalist said:
I agree fully with what you're saying. I personally say all three ranked HBCUs should be a little higher in the polls (but we all know there are other forces at work)..heck SC State could be ranked by this time next week.

Barring any catastrophes, this year's SCG should be the biggest, and best since the first one. If Bama State and Southern run the table...that'll set up a game with two ranked teams...and given the "revenge game" angle this game will have, there should be a good deal of buzz heading into this game.

Can we get Mach or PNeck to check how many times both participants in the SCG were ranked in the Top 25 heading into the game?
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I'll do it tonite after I get these three Utes to bed....
 
I hope that this years SCG gets a lot of advertisement and all the hoopla that went on with the MCC. Both teams getting a fireworks show, smoke, bubbles, the whole nine-yards as they enter the field. The MCC felt like a Super Bowl atmosphere.
 
HORNETSWARM said:
I hope that this years SCG gets a lot of advertisement and all the hoopla that went on with the MCC. Both teams getting a fireworks show, smoke, bubbles, the whole nine-yards as they enter the field. The MCC felt like a Super Bowl atmosphere.
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Yeah Hornetswarm..like I said, there should be a helluva lot of build-up leading into this game...there are built in storylines from the Oct. 2 game in the Gump, along with the winner possibly becoming BCF nat'l champions.. But, as you know with our people, weather dictates a lot of activities.

If it's in the upper 50s with no rain...it should be a great gameday atmosphere
 
PNeck019 said:
I'll do it tonite after I get these three Utes to bed....
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Here goes:

1999
In the last poll before the SCG, also before a BC win, SU was ranked 10th and Jackson State was ranked 14th.

2000
In the last poll before the SCG, before a BC loss, GSU was ranked 13th and AAMU was unranked.

2001
All I have from this point on are the final polls (after the SCG), in which GSU was 8th in one poll and 11th in the other. Alabama State was unranked.

2002
After the SCG, Grambling was 8th in both polls, AAMU unranked.

2003
After the SCG, SU was 13th in one poll, 14th in the other. Alabama State was unranked.

So I guess the answer to the question would be yes, once. In 1999, both participants of SCG I were ranked.

Basically the question should have been, "Have any East teams been ranked going into the SCG?", because the West representative always is both ranked and from Louisiana.
 
ESPN/USA TODAY COACHES I-AA TOP 25

1. SOUTHERN ILL (39) 9-1 1,020 1
2. FURMAN 7-2 968 3
3. SAM HOUSTON ST (1) 8-1 894 4
4. JAMES MADISON (1) 8-1 868 7
5. WESTERN KY 7-2 862 5
6. GA SOUTHERN 8-2 813 2
7. NEW HAMPSHIRE 7-2 762 8
8. MONTANA 7-2 658 9
9. LEHIGH 8-1 645 12
10. WILLIAM & MARY 7-2 620 13
11. DELAWARE 6-3 593 6
12. WOFFORD 7-2 579 10
13. HAMPTON 8-1 555 14
14. JACKSONVILLE ST 7-1 447 16
15. HARVARD 8-0 444 15
16. EASTERN WASH 7-3 392 21
17. PENNSYLVANIA 7-1 362 19
18. CAL POLY 7-2 330 11
19. NORTHWESTERN ST 6-3 256 22
20. UC DAVIS 6-2 242 23
21. ALABAMA ST 7-1 183 24
22. MONTANA ST 6-3 141 18
23. COLGATE 6-3 130 25
24. SOUTHERN 7-2 73 --
25. SO CAROLINA ST 7-2 67 --

Others Receiving Votes:
COAST CAROLINA 63, NO DAKOTA ST 56, NICHOLLS ST 56, APPALACHIAN ST 48, VILLANOVA 39, NORTHERN IOWA 35, SE LOUISIANA 26, PORTLAND ST 22, SFA 15, HOFSTRA 13, TENNESSEE TECH 10, LAFAYETTE 9, ARK PINE BLUFF 9, MASSACHUSETTS 8, WESTERN ILL 4, MAINE 2, DRAKE 2, BROWN 2, ALCORN ST 2
 

Sheridan Broadcasting Network Black College Football Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points
1. Albany State Rams (16) 10-0 247
2. Hampton Pirates (14) 8-1 239
3. Southern Jaguars 7-2 224
4. Alabama State Hornets 7-1 209
5. South Carolina State Bulldogs 7-2 161
6. Tuskegee Golden Tigers 8-1 136
7. Arkansas Pine-Bluff Golden Tigers 6-2 92
8. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 5-3 65
9. Shaw Bears 9-2 46
10. North Carolina Central Eagles 8-2 37
Others receiving votes: Fayetteville State (26), Miles College (22), Fort Valley State (19), Alcorn State (17).
 
JaguarNation99 said:
Sheridan Broadcasting Network Black College Football Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points
1. Albany State Rams (16) 10-0 247
2. Hampton Pirates (14) 8-1 239
3. Southern Jaguars 7-2 224
4. Alabama State Hornets 7-1 209
5. South Carolina State Bulldogs 7-2 161
6. Tuskegee Golden Tigers 8-1 136
7. Arkansas Pine-Bluff Golden Tigers 6-2 92
8. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 5-3 65
9. Shaw Bears 9-2 46
10. North Carolina Central Eagles 8-2 37
Others receiving votes: Fayetteville State (26), Miles College (22), Fort Valley State (19), Alcorn State (17).
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Somebody help me to understand something. Last week, SU was number 2 in this poll. This week, after having been idle, they fall to number 3. How can a team fall in the rankings while being idle?
 
By the time the SCG comes around both Albany and Hampton will probally be eiliminated from the playoffs. It probally depends on how bad they look in the playoffs that determines weather everyone wants to give the winner of the SCG thier just reward. I hate to root against HBCU's but I have to look out for my schools intrest first.
 
Big Thunder said:
Somebody help me to understand something. Last week, SU was number 2 in this poll. This week, after having been idle, they fall to number 3. How can a team fall in the rankings while being idle?
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Big Thunder,

Southern has never been any higher than #3 in this poll.
 
enswaclopedia said:
By the time the SCG comes around both Albany and Hampton will probally be eiliminated from the playoffs. It probally depends on how bad they look in the playoffs that determines weather everyone wants to give the winner of the SCG thier just reward. I hate to root against HBCU's but I have to look out for my schools intrest first.
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enswac,

I have to agree with you on that, especially since the SCG could possibly come down to #1 Southern vs #2 Alabama State :eek: if Albany St. & Hampton were to lose in the playoffs. That would mean that the SCG would not only determine SWAC Champs, but the Black College National Champion as well. :bowdown:

If that were to happen, it would be HUGE. Combine that with a reasonably nice weather day, and Legion Field just might look like it did a few weeks ago. Packed.
 
Deuce said:
enswac,

I have to agree with you on that, especially since the SCG could possibly come down to #1 Southern vs #2 Alabama State :eek: if Albany St. & Hampton were to lose in the playoffs. That would mean that the SCG would not only determine SWAC Champs, but the Black College National Champion as well. :bowdown:

If that were to happen, it would be HUGE. Combine that with a reasonably nice weather day, and Legion Field just might look like it did a few weeks ago. Packed.
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It should happen because they have certainly penalized the depending BCFNC for losing to two PWC. And, I know doggone well Albany State would not be no dam_ 1st place team in the west or eastern division of the SWAC. I also do not believe that Hampton would have any less than two losses..........but we shall see
 
This isn't anything new. In fact it happens all the time. In most poll across the board the athletic directors, coaches, and writers will vote for a team or even teams rather than the team that was idle. So often times the team that was idle will drop a spot in the new poll.
 
Deuce said:
Big Thunder,

Southern has never been any higher than #3 in this poll.
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Deuce: You are incorrect. Southern was ranked #2 in last week's poll; see the link below. For convenience, I also pasted the rankings from last week. With that, my question still stands; how can you lose ground during a week when you are idle?

http://www.swacpage.com/articles/article1158.shtml

Nov 2, 2004

Cavil's Classic Cuts/TSPN Major Top 10 Poll
By TSPN News Service

TSPN (SWACPAGE.com) & Cavil's Classic Cuts Football
HBCU Major Program Top 10 Poll (11-1-2004)
Presented By:
THG Agency, LLC - (The Heritage Group),
A Consulting Sports Management, Agency

The TSPN/Classic Cuts Top 10 HBCU Major football poll,
with number of first-place votes, record in parentheses,
total points, previous ranking, and next opponent:

Name--------------------Record-1PV-Points-PWR-(11-6-2004-W/L-Opp.)
1. Hampton--------------(7-1)-(6)---94----1--(vs-Bethune-Cookman)
2. Southern-------------(7-2)-(2)---85----3--(Open)
3. Alabama State--------(6-1)-(2)---83----4--(at-Grambling State)
4. S. C. State----------(6-2)-------61----5--(vs-Howard)
5. Bethune-Cookman------(5-2)-------59----6--(Open)
6. Arkansas Pine Bluff--(5-2)-------47----2--(vs-Prairie View A & M)
7. Howard---------------(5-3)-------34----8--(at-S. C. State)
8. Alcorn State---------(5-3)-------20----9--(at-Miss. Valley State)
9. Alabama A & M--------(4-4)-------15----7--(at-Jackson State)
10. Jackson State--------(3-5)-------8-----NR-(vs-Alabama A & M)

Dropped out Rankings: Morgan State-(3-5)

Receiving Votes: Grambling State-(4-4)-7, Morgan State-(3-5)-5,
Miss. Valley State-(3-6)-4, Florida A & M-(3-6)-3,
Tennessee State-(3-5)-2, Prairie View A & M-(3-5)-1,
N. C. A & T State-(3-6)-1

PWR = Previous Weeks Ranking
1PV = 1st Place Votes
Major = NCAA Division I AA

? 2004-2005 3C Communications & www.thg-agency.com - All Rights Reserved.
 
Big Thunder said:
Deuce: You are incorrect. Southern was ranked #2 in last week's poll; see the link below. For convenience, I also pasted the rankings from last week. With that, my question still stands; how can you lose ground during a week when you are idle?

http://www.swacpage.com/articles/article1158.shtml

Nov 2, 2004

Cavil's Classic Cuts/TSPN Major Top 10 Poll
By TSPN News Service

TSPN (SWACPAGE.com) & Cavil's Classic Cuts Football
HBCU Major Program Top 10 Poll (11-1-2004)
Presented By:
THG Agency, LLC - (The Heritage Group),
A Consulting Sports Management, Agency

The TSPN/Classic Cuts Top 10 HBCU Major football poll,
with number of first-place votes, record in parentheses,
total points, previous ranking, and next opponent:

Name--------------------Record-1PV-Points-PWR-(11-6-2004-W/L-Opp.)
1. Hampton--------------(7-1)-(6)---94----1--(vs-Bethune-Cookman)
2. Southern-------------(7-2)-(2)---85----3--(Open)
3. Alabama State--------(6-1)-(2)---83----4--(at-Grambling State)
4. S. C. State----------(6-2)-------61----5--(vs-Howard)
5. Bethune-Cookman------(5-2)-------59----6--(Open)
6. Arkansas Pine Bluff--(5-2)-------47----2--(vs-Prairie View A & M)
7. Howard---------------(5-3)-------34----8--(at-S. C. State)
8. Alcorn State---------(5-3)-------20----9--(at-Miss. Valley State)
9. Alabama A & M--------(4-4)-------15----7--(at-Jackson State)
10. Jackson State--------(3-5)-------8-----NR-(vs-Alabama A & M)

Dropped out Rankings: Morgan State-(3-5)

Receiving Votes: Grambling State-(4-4)-7, Morgan State-(3-5)-5,
Miss. Valley State-(3-6)-4, Florida A & M-(3-6)-3,
Tennessee State-(3-5)-2, Prairie View A & M-(3-5)-1,
N. C. A & T State-(3-6)-1

PWR = Previous Weeks Ranking
1PV = 1st Place Votes
Major = NCAA Division I AA

? 2004-2005 3C Communications & www.thg-agency.com - All Rights Reserved.
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You're confusing two separate polls. The poll that was shown earlier in the thread was the Sheridan poll for ALL HBCUs. The poll you've shown is the Calvin Cuts Poll on TSPN for I-AA HBCUs. Southern was never ranked #2 in the Sheridan poll, but they were #2 in the TSPN poll last week.
 
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