Poor India.Arie. Her new year hasn't started off too well.


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She hasn't won 1 award for her album this year!! 0 for at least 10. Count 'em. 0-7 at the Grammy's; 0-2 at the NAACP Image Awards (yes they give away music awards at the NAACP Image Awards); and 0-whatever at the AMAs (don't know how many she was up for at the AMAs).

It seems like she's losing to the same two people everytime: Alicia Keys and Aaliyah! The NAACP Image Awards shut her out Friday. She lost one to Alicia and another to Aaliyah.

They showed her sitting in the audience and she looked dejected! She had that fake smile working overtime. What must be going through her mind right now?

Susan Lucci (All My Children's "Erica Cain"), send your patience.
 
It sucks

According to the AMA site, India.Arie wasn't up for any awards. Of course, that also means she didn't win any. She did perform though. Weird.
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Such a shame. She deserved so much more. It just reinfasizes to me that ALL of these awards are nothing but popularity contests. Unfortunately, that includes the NAACP "Image" awards. Yeah, popularity image. Whatever :rolleyes:, I'll still support India. Keep bein' positive and come with the next album! I'm standing in line to buy it already :D

Some of your more inspiring "images" from the NAACP award winners:
- Halle Berry for showing her t!ts
- Denzel Washington for being an a$$hole

Will it ever end?

- I guess at least Ali won for best picture (go 'head, Will)
 

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I disagree. I think India just came out the wrong year. Sometimes it happens. I mean the Commodores and other R&B groups lost to EWF alot because it was just too many good groups then. I knew Aaliyah was going to get some sympathy votes at the NAACP award. But Aaliyah's album was damn good too. To me she was far more talented than India Arie will ever be. She was a music prodigy. I think we are so caught up in this Neo -Soul crap. I am an old R&B/Soul/ Funk kind of guy. So all this so called Neo-Soul is nothing but a cheap copy of the old school. Just packaged different. I like India's music, but I see her music being no different than Cherokee, Amel Larrieaux, and others that have this different approach to music. While popularity is a big reason folks win awards, it isn't the reason why India got shut out. Alicia Keys record company is ran by Clive Davis, not to mention that they had been announcing her long anticipated arrival on the music scence before one song was released. So she was packaged right. Just like Lauryn Hill was. India came from nowhere, no big names endorsing her. No fanfare and a late surge to get nominations. The music critics were already waiting on Alicia debut. Clive did the same when Whitney hit the airwaves. Babyface did it for Toni Braxton. The music business has always been like that. The Grammy awards are just following suit. India will get another chance if she puts out another good album.
 
Originally posted by JR
I am an old R&B/Soul/ Funk kind of guy. So all this so called Neo-Soul is nothing but a cheap copy of the old school. Just packaged different
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I could'nt Disagree with you Less J.R. !!!!!

Patrice Rushen and Roberta Flack please send help !!!!
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Everyone knows where I stand........
:flamethro:smash::kaioken::smh::uzi:

In the words of India Arie:
I've drawn a conclusion,
It's all an illusion,
confusion's the name of the game,
a misconception,
a mass deception,
something's got to change...

*Everyone will come around...they'll just be a little late*:rolleyes:

Originally posted by JR
I think we are so caught up in this Neo -Soul crap. I am an old R&B/Soul/ Funk kind of guy. So all this so called Neo-Soul is nothing but a cheap copy of the old school. Just packaged different.
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JR,
I would think a Old School Connoisseur would appreciate someone that shows a healthy respect for old school and celebrates its legacy, like Arie(etc.).... rather than those who sample and bastardize it while rarely showing respect....If that's the music you hold close to your heart.

FINIS...
 
Storm,
I can appreciate India's music, but she is not on the old school level no different than the other neo -soul artists except for a few. If you look inside your India Arie CD cover you find that song Video has acknowledged that it contains an adaptation of the song "Fun".
There are not pure writers out there like it used to be. They all sample to a certain extent. Some just do it more than others. I think again because what India is singing about has some folk caught up. I have played music ever since I was 11 years old and I know i can be very critical,but like I said India is a good artist, but her album is about the same as Alicia Keys. What and what. Alicia gets the nod at the awards because she had the right people behind her including Stevie Wonder signing her praises even before she released her album. She just was packaged right from the get go.

My thing is why does India get more hype than a more accomplished song writer and better artist like Angie Stone who really was the genius behind D'Angelos first album. Because his second one sucked without her being around. Angie is singing positive pro- black type songs like India with an old school flava. We'll see if she returns with a good sophomore album. To me that's the test. Alicia Keys next album will probably be better. Clive Davis will make sure of it. Just like he did with Whitney. If hers isn't good either then she''ll be cast aside quicker than Virgin did Mariah Carey. That's the music business. Looking for the next marketable star. There will be no more Aretha's, Gladys', Patti LaBelles or Chaka Khan's. Most of them can't even sing with any power. SMH


Bedrock,
Homeboy you are correct. Speaking of Patrice Rushen, doesn't Alicia Keys remind you of her. (sarcastic comment) From the braids and the fact she is a piano prodigy. I wonder how coincidental that is. Like I said all of them are copy cats. None of them are original. Hell Outkast has more talent. It makes you wonder if anyone has any originality. To me India's music is no more soulful than Erikah Badu's. All this afro-centric stuff is old hat gimics. It's been done before even in rap. Remember when all the Rap Artists started wearing symbols of Africa around their neck in the late 80's instead of gold. That lasted a hot second. LOL. 70's and 80's R&B artists please send help. Looking for my Rick James greatest hits CD to play.
 
Originally posted by JR
Storm,There are not pure writers out there like it used to be. They all sample to a certain extent. Some just do it more than others. I think again because what India is singing about has some folk caught up. I have played music ever since I was 11 years old and I know i can be very critical,but like I said India is a good artist, but her album is about the same as Alicia Keys. What and what. Alicia gets the nod at the awards because she had the right people behind her including Stevie Wonder signing her praises even before she released her album. She just was packaged right from the get go.

My thing is why does India get more hype than a more accomplished song writer and better artist like Angie Stone who really was the genius behind D'Angelos first album. Because his second one sucked without her being around. Angie is singing positive pro- black type songs like India with an old school flava. We'll see if she returns with a good sophomore album. To me that's the test. Alicia Keys next album will probably be better. Clive Davis will make sure of it. Just like he did with Whitney. If hers isn't good either then she''ll be cast aside quicker than Virgin did Mariah Carey. That's the music business. Looking for the next marketable star. There will be no more Aretha's, Gladys', Patti LaBelles or Chaka Khan's. Most of them can't even sing with any power. SMH
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Angie co-wrote most of the songs on D'Angelo's second album. I am not sure about the first. Idia should have gotten some sort of award by now. There have been plenty of good artist out there who haven't recieved so much as a nod by the "Awards Shows". So I wouldn't used that as a basis to judge their success. I do believe Angis Stone is coming into her own but because she doesn't have that cross over appeal. She is not getting a look at by the awards folks. Now some of Luther Vandros' more popular songs were "adaptions" from other songs. SO there hasn't been any "pure" song writers for some time now.
And Neo-soul is a good form of music, the artist singing about postive things as opposed to what they are going to do in the bedroom and to their partner.:rolleyes:

Now I said this on another post "Who makes up the awards panel of judges" I can bet you its not very many of "US".
 
It's all a popularity contest

If India.Arie and Alicia Keyes and Aaliyah and all the rest are just copy cats, then why does Alicia Keyes lop up all the awards? She copied the best?? :rolleyes:

Nah, it's all about popularity. Keyes got it because she was marketed right and the media picked her up just like any other pretty young thing out there (like Aaliyah). Poor India.Arie suffers from not being "the average girl from your video". She still had some folks behind her - on Tony Scott this morning they said it was because of Motown's president that she got a performance at the Grammy's. And it was only appropriate - she had 7 nominations after all. But since she's already a self-pronounced non-average girl, she shouldn't be worried about the hype. Cause it's all popularity and nonsense anyway.

A word about Angie Stone - whoa!!! I've been bumpin Brotha like it's goin out of style!! Unfortunately, the positive stuff doesn't sell, unless it's in (what the world considers) a pretty little package. Keep the faith India, Angie, and all the rest :tup:
 
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Maybe...just maybe her album is highly overated. There may be a reason as to why she isn't winning anything. Erykah didn't have that problem because her material was FLY!!!!

Tony Rich please send help!!!
 
Re: It's all a popularity contest

Originally posted by kevdawg
A word about Angie Stone - whoa!!! I've been bumpin Brotha like it's goin out of style!!
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Not to change the thread topic, but that Angie Stone in rocking
I hate i got it so late....
 
The Grammy's were some BS from Jump. If you didnt peep out that Alicia Keys is on J-Records.....the same Record label that's owned by Clive Davis. No way in Hell Clive was gonna let his new young phenom not bring home a gang of awards.

India Got Robbed! Plain and simple. Her music is so much more deeper that Alicia.

India is my girl, and I know she will get the recognition that she discerves (sp).

"And It Probally even Taste good, but can you be apart of my life"
-deep.
 
With India.Arie, it came down to popularity. She is not as well know as Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys was playing round da' clock on the radio. The same stations that were playing her, seemed to not be playing India. Arie. Some people were wondering who she was on the GAP commercial. It seems that India. Arie believes in what she does and puts her heart into her music and if she is satisfied with that, she shouldn't have a problem
Southern University Spr. 92'...dang almost ten years.
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I think that Alicia Keys' fate was sealed as far as awards when The Young and the Restless used "Fallin" in their commercials. That pretty much did it for her. She had people already talking about her but when they started using her song in that commercial, it made her one of the biggest stars in the industry.

She's won all those awards this year. I just hope that she doesn't disappear like Lauryn Hill has done. We haven't heard from her in almost 4 years. Where is she? She racked up on awards after her first album, too.
 
Lauryn has a new album comming out on the 26th of this month. Its an MTV unplugged album.....:smh: we need some new music from her.
 
I think Lauryn has had some personal issues is the reason we have not heard from her for so long. I read somewhere she was supposed to be doing this new album and it would reflect her trials and tribulations she has been through. I'll be glad to see her back on the scene.
 

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My Thing Is...

India.Aire is a talented artist, but she's not a SUBSTANTIAL artist. There's a huge difference. She got swept in the grammies and other awards shows because she's not presenting something new and fresh to the table.

I can't listen to her whole album. The lyrics aren't captivating.....a few songs are okay, but seriously, she's not a memorable artist of the decade.

So what she plays guitar? A lot of people play guitar. And so what? It doesn't stop her from being a mediocre artist! <i>Anybody</i> can learn to play an instrument.

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Um....what does Lauryn Hill have to do w/India.Aire and the regression in her career?

Originally posted by JR
I think Lauryn has had some personal issues is the reason we have not heard from her for so long. I read somewhere she was supposed to be doing this new album and it would reflect her trials and tribulations she has been through. I'll be glad to see her back on the scene.
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Um...

Originally posted by Koku
India.Aire is a talented artist, but she's not a SUBSTANTIAL artist. There's a huge difference. She got swept in the grammies and other awards shows because she's not presenting something new and fresh to the table.
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And Alicia Keyes does?!?!?? :rolleyes:

Really, if we want to talk about things being "new and fresh", we're gonna have to go back a couple of decades, cause it ain't happening at all anymore. The best we can get is music that is different from the everyday fare. India.Arie offers some of that fresh breath. Not many artists (outside of Gospel) are pushin' truly positive vibes - I can only think of India, Angie Stone, & Jill Scott off the top of my head. Her album is great because it's a mix of great lyrics and soulful artistry. It's not revolutionary, but it is good.

She's being compared to Lauryn Hill cause L-boogie made this style of soulful positive music popular (again). Lauryn isn't all that original, either. But she was off the hook! I'm lookin' forward to her next, too (even if it is an MTV unplugged).
 
I see what you're saying,

And to a point I agree. Alicia Keys isn't really revolutionary or crisp in sound either. Really what I see here, is a lackluster year where there was really no one that was worthy of such a grammy sweep.

Alicia Keys is no better than her piano, and her repetitive "Fur Elise" introductions. I think Jill Scott's album and sound is waaaaaay more progressive than India.Aire and Alicia. India and Alicia can sing, but they are HORRIBLE writers. And the music is bland. Jill Scott can not only sing, but she is also a very good lyricist.

And I agree, Lauryn isn't necessarily original, from listening to different genres of music, you can tell she pulls a lot of her sound from reggae greats, and R&B such as Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, etc.

But everything is recycled.

And I am looking forward to her Unplugged too!! It's coming on this Sunday on MTV/2. I *believe* it's at 9pm. I'm not sure though.

Originally posted by kevdawg


And Alicia Keyes does?!?!?? :rolleyes:

Really, if we want to talk about things being "new and fresh", we're gonna have to go back a couple of decades, cause it ain't happening at all anymore. The best we can get is music that is different from the everyday fare. India.Arie offers some of that fresh breath. Not many artists (outside of Gospel) are pushin' truly positive vibes - I can only think of India, Angie Stone, & Jill Scott off the top of my head. Her album is great because it's a mix of great lyrics and soulful artistry. It's not revolutionary, but it is good.

She's being compared to Lauryn Hill cause L-boogie made this style of soulful positive music popular (again). Lauryn isn't all that original, either. But she was off the hook! I'm lookin' forward to her next, too (even if it is an MTV unplugged).
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Wow, no luv for India, huh?

That's cool, to each his own. Personally, I've been bumpin India.Arie for several months now!! Along with Alicia, Jill, Musiq, Maxwell.... just got a whole soul groove thang goin now ;) I've been meaning to pick up Angie Stone cause "Brotha" is so tight! I love that stuff - it's not new, but it's certainly different from the Sisqo's and other pop "R&B" crap stinkin up the airwaves!!!

I heard Lauryn was on MTV2. Doggonit :mad:, I don't get MTV2. And I heard she was doin new stuff, too :redhot:. Well, she needs to come with a second album so I can start bumpin her again too!!! Where's my Miseducation?? :D
 
Its all a matter of opinion and can go any way.

Personally I dont think that Alicia Keyes is quite as hot as everyone is blowing her up to be. Her album is cool but its not a classic in my eyes. And the way everyone is blowing her up you think that we have the 2001 version of "Thriller".

I have not heard India Arie's CD so I cannot comment on her being a good artist or not. As far as the awards goes. I dont think its fair to say that she has been getting robbed. Its only her first album (correct me if I'm wrong). Every good artist does not come off the bench knocking them out the park.

Just based on the two songs that I have heard from Musiq Soulchild I would say that he is the new artist of the bunch that everyone should be looking out for to make a big bang in the industry.

But like I said it is all a matter of opinion and those awards are just that. In most genres of music the award winners and the ones in the lime light usually do not have as much talent as artist who are undiscovered so there will forever be a debate about who should win.
 
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