Oh Well, Artest...

[mighty hornet]

I agree with TMade,

The "fans" are making out like bandits. This episode, which was definitely started by the "fans", are costing these guys MILLIONS of dollars!!!!!!!!!! Not to mention, how the Detroit "fans" have virtually eliminated the Pacers as a legit contender, now that the players have been suspended.

If nothing is done to the "fans", then what's stopping some other lunatic fans from doing the same thing to provoke opposing players, in hopes of getting the same end result?

 

[EB]

On Christmas Day Shaq and the Heat play at Kobe and the Lakers at 3 PM local time.

However, the Pistons play at the Pacers at 12:30 local time on Christmas Day too.

Someone may not have a Merry Christmas.

I will bet that a few Pistons' fans are laughing their heads off right now.

 

[Da_Sperm]

Justice is not SWIFT and doesn't have to be for the fans. They will be charged. However the NBA had no choice but to hand down their punishment SWIFTLY.

If Ron was laying on the scorers table with the headphones on his head, how could he know which fan threw the bottle? He simply didn't think and it cost him, his teammates, his team, and the city of Indy millions of dollars.

 

[SONNY]

Bottom line on this to me is:

Fans have no business on the court.

Players have no business in the stands.

co - sign

That one fan with the Detroit piston jersey got laid out by Oneil and Artest.

 

[SLT]

If Ron was laying on the scorers table with the headphones on his head, how could he know which fan threw the bottle? He simply didn't think and it cost him, his teammates, his team, and the city of Indy millions of dollars.

Co-sign.

 

[JaguarNation99]

Well it was on the news last night (again), the investigation as it stands is centering around the man who threw the first cup, he has been identified and investigators are currently searching for him. He was the guy in the blue shirt and white hat who was initially trying to pull Artest off the other guy, but then started punching him from behind. They are also in the process of trying to identify others involved in the melee, the Oakland County Prosecutor is expected to announce charges against 25-50 other fans. He said that anybody who threw a cup or a punch will be charged with at least assault.

 

[SLT]

Well it was on the news last night (again), the investigation as it stands is centering around the man who threw the first cup, he has been identified and investigators are currently searching for him. He was the guy in the blue shirt and white hat who was initially trying to pull Artest off the other guy, but then started punching him from behind.

So the little Poindexter guy that got jacked by Artest is finna get PAID! :nod2:

 

[JSTUS]

NO SELF-CONTROL.

Although you can not control what another person does to you, you can not blame someone else for the consequences resulting from your responsive choice of action.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Lewis]

I totally agree that at least 3 fans need to be dealt with, the one that threw the cup, the one that came in from behind and started punching players from behind and the one in the jersey that came on the court, he had his fist ready and squared off to fight BEFORE anyone hit him.

But I am not sure what Stern himself can do to them (the fans) directly. The local authories have to press charges against them and the Detroit Pistons and the area control thier tickets. He has to work behind the scenes to make that happen

 

[PNeck019]

I totally concur...both parties should have been punished, fans and players.

I'd imagine they will be.

David Stern has no authority over the fans, however. He meted out the punishment to the ones he does have authority over.

It's up to law enforcement to punish the fans. The Pistons also should revoke season tickets and ban those fans involved. It's just a little hard to prove since they don't have numbers or their names on their backs.

 

[AAMU Alum]

I'd imagine they will be.

David Stern has no authority over the fans, however. He meted out the punishment to the ones he does have authority over.

It's up to law enforcement to punish the fans. The Pistons also should revoke season tickets and ban those fans involved. It's just a little hard to prove since they don't have numbers or their names on their backs.

Exactly!! Stern has no jurisdiction beyond the NBA.

The Detroit Police and other municipal investigators must deal with the crazy-@sses in the stands!

 

[Da_Sperm]

I agree that every fan that threw a punch or spilled beer/water on a player needs to be dealt with.

 

[Warndalyn]

My question is, where in the hell was security during all this? The fight just went on and on, and no police officers/security was around. This should not have been allowed to happen, to the degree, in which it did.

:smh:

 

[Panther88]

Interesting.

Dumb ass ben wallace was very wrong for that shoving that started the whole thing. And, Mr. Artest shouldn've taunted by lying down w/ headphones on and he CERTAINLY shouldn've left the confines of the hardwood. He was dead wrong for that. What Jackson/O'Neal and others did following him? Well... :emlaugh: You don't let family get done wrong, so... Hit first, ask questions later. :emlaugh:

I wonder if those thuggish michigan people attend a game to <b>support</b> their team or just <b>degrade</b> the other team? How is degrading the opposer supporting your squad? :emlaugh: I wonder.... Hmmmmm...... :emlaugh: That's some new type of BS logic that I never encountered . I say the same things to fans of ours too. How is talking about their squad/individual helping to support our team? Duuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh. I know white folx have prolly already blamed it on rap music. :emlaugh:

stern had to exercise control and restraint and it's prolly in the best interest of the league that he suspended Mr. Artest for the remainder of the season (like Mr. Spreeeeeeeeeewell lol). I wouldn't want to be in the position to levy those suspensions.

 

[limefree]

I think the suspensions are appropriate. It looks as if Artest went after the wrong person anyway. They say it was the lady to the upper left and as he was going into the stands she was steady talking isht. Since he was hit by a plastic cup, the arenas have that security issue taken care of by having them so as to not hurt anyone if they are dropped or thrown. Artest made a mistake and he has to pay. Now the hefty dude that was on the court that got knocked down twice, he asked for it. He could have benefited from security intervention but he made the choice to go out there and talk isht. Its a mess and its definitely not over.

 

[Dr. Mac]

I totally agree that at least 3 fans need to be dealt with, the one that threw the cup, the one that came in from behind and started punching players from behind and the one in the jersey that came on the court, he had his fist ready and squared off to fight BEFORE anyone hit him.

But I am not sure what Stern himself can do to them (the fans) directly. The local authories have to press charges against them and the Detroit Pistons and the area control thier tickets. He has to work behind the scenes to make that happen

What Stern can do, and should do publicly, with regard to the fan's part in all of this is cite the inappropriate fan behavior in this incident (in his press conferences, and elsewhere), state that under no uncertain terms inappropriate fan behavior will not be tolerated, that fans doing so will be removed from the arenas, banned from future games if the condition dictates, that the NBA will press local authorities to take warranted actions against those persons to the fullest extent of the law, and that the NBA will support its players (with any and all action requested of it) if a situation occurs where a player(s) chooses to persue legal action against a fan(s) due to some incident.

Stern and the NBA should also publicly annouce any increase in security procedures that result from this that are designed to protect the players.

He needs to show, at least, some public "even-handedness" about this incident with respect to the reponsiblity of all of the parties.

Regards.

 

[Warndalyn]

What Stern can do, and should do publicly, with regard to the fan's part in this incident is cite the inappropriate fan behavior in this incident (in his press conferences, and elsewhere), state that under no uncertain terms inappropriate fan behavior will not be tolerated, that fans doing so will be removed from the arenas, banned from future games if the condition dictates, that the NBA will press local authorities to take warranted actions against those persons to the fullest extent of the law, and that the NBA will support its players (with any and all action requested of it) if a situation occurs where a player(s) chooses persue legal action against a fan(s) due to some incident.

Stern and the NBA should also publicly annouce and increase in security procedures that result from this that are designed to protect the players.

He needs to show, at least, some public "even-handedness" about this incident with respect to reponsiblity of all of the parties.

Regards.

Thank you....:tup:

 

[Jam Piper Jam]

Bottom line on this to me is:

Fans have no business on the court.

Players have no business in the stands.

I want to add


Beer and popcorn have no business being thrown at players.



Hell, just put the fans behind a glass shield like they do in hockey. :upset:

 

[EB]

Speaking of fans during a Knicks-Heat game, the king Parrot Head Jimmy Buffet started yelling at a ref. Buffet was escorted out of the arena. This is not the only incident of its kind.

 

[AAMU Alum]

Hell, just put the fans behind a glass shield like they do in hockey. :upset:

Don't be suprised if these don't start going up at NBA arenas all over the country.

 

[GramTigress]

What Stern can do, and should do publicly, with regard to the fan's part in all of this is cite the inappropriate fan behavior in this incident (in his press conferences, and elsewhere), state that under no uncertain terms inappropriate fan behavior will not be tolerated, that fans doing so will be removed from the arenas, banned from future games if the condition dictates, that the NBA will press local authorities to take warranted actions against those persons to the fullest extent of the law, and that the NBA will support its players (with any and all action requested of it) if a situation occurs where a player(s) chooses to persue legal action against a fan(s) due to some incident.

Stern and the NBA should also publicly annouce any increase in security procedures that result from this that are designed to protect the players.

He needs to show, at least, some public "even-handedness" about this incident with respect to the reponsiblity of all of the parties.Regards.

I agree whole-heartedly. I posted until my hands were tired on the ESPN board about this. Everyone knew that Artest was always a ticking bomb; however, the fan should not have thrown a cup of whatever at him. I do not advocate violence, but I cannot not sit here and say what I would have or wouldn't have done under those circumstances. To reiterate what many have already said: fans have no business on the court and the players have no business in the stands. Also, the fans have no right to attack the players in any way and they do not have the right to talk about their families. I agree with his suspension to a degree, but I think that brotha needs some help?seriously.

 

[SLT]

Don't be suprised if these don't start going up at NBA arenas all over the country.

It is sure gonna hurt the kids who may not be able to get up close and personal with the players. :shame:


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[JaguarNation99]

I totally agree that at least 3 fans need to be dealt with, the one that threw the cup, the one that came in from behind and started punching players from behind and the one in the jersey that came on the court, he had his fist ready and squared off to fight BEFORE anyone hit him.

But I am not sure what Stern himself can do to them (the fans) directly. The local authories have to press charges against them and the Detroit Pistons and the area control thier tickets. He has to work behind the scenes to make that happen

The man that threw the cup and the one that was punching Artest from behind are one in the same. They've identified him, the local news went to his house to try to interview him, he sent his husky out to chase them away, high comedy.

So the little Poindexter guy that got jacked by Artest is finna get PAID! :nod2:

I'm pretty sure those papers are in the process of being put together, his lawyer (I wonder how he found one so quickly :shh: ) has advised him to no longer comment......

 

[SLT]

I'm pretty sure those papers are in the process of being put together, his lawyer (I wonder how he found one so quickly :shh: ) has advised him to no longer comment......

I wouldn't blame him in the least if he did file a suit.

I'm sure his glassed got cracked after that punch!

 

[Fiyah]

Now with that said, Fiyah I disagree with your feeling on Wallace. To me, you MUST draw a line between the altercation between the players (which Wallace started) and the fight in the stands (Wallace did not make Artest go into the stands, Artest did that on his own) Wallace should be suspened for shoveing a player (He did not even punch artest) His supension should not be increased because of Artest ridiculous actions.

Well look at it this way.....

If Wallace would have taken his arse to the free throw line we wouldn't be here talking about these suspensions. Everything was a reaction from a action. The action that Wallace hit Artest, then Artest was on the scorers table and got hit with a cup and went into the stands and everything else happened.

Now how can you call two fists to the face a shove? Detroit was getting their arse beat by the Pacers and frustration was out there. That foul would have still been like that if it was a 2 point game. In all actuality if I was the Detroit coach I wouldn't have had any starters in the game with less than a minute to play. The game was over, he should have been able to gage his players frustration about it and pulled them.

But in all the blame lies with everyone.....