Obama thinking about supporting 'Gay Marriage' as a platform.


Man them fools just talking. After Mitt Romney ends AA and all these perks they get, they gone be looking ignant. Don't worry, their kids gone feel the brunt of it though.........

Exactly. Plus the good ole boys don't really want that Mormon in the white house either.

Folks better recognize that the gays got more power than folks realize and them mofos will not stay home on election day. Actually a lot of Republicans are pissed off because their only choice is Romney.

Obama is going to win this race. He is playing politics for real right now.
 
Just what in the hell do some of you think the President has changed in the law of the land because of him changing position on this issue?

The Bushes position was anti-abortion and and once elected nobody heard another word about the anti-abortion legislation because NO President has the power to impose their position/beliefs on the country.

Stop being so damn brain dead people.

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He might have just lost the election, but kudos to the president for taking a stand.

Not on that subject he hasn't. Yall will be shocked at how much power those gays and lesbians have. More than the good ole boys. Remember even McCain's daughter was saying she was down with it when her Daddy was running. You got Republicans like Gingrich and Cheyney that got relatives that are gay. Don't let the talking head conservatives fool you with their public stances.

This acknowledgement is just PR for the president. Politics. He said all that then said, he would leave it up to the States to decide. So he basically got the gays to say damn, the Prez is with us without committing one thing. LOL.

Romney has an uphill battle because a lot of Republicans hate his guts and don't trust him. He is not the strongest candidate they could have thrown at Obama. Romney also has the stigma of being a Mormon which will get a lot of good ole boys in this country to stay home. Plus he has pissed off the Women in this country. More women want to be able to do what they want with their bodies regardless of the party they belong too. The election will be closer than the last one for sure because these conservatives just want him out of there. But he will get enough votes to get win in November. Then the a real Republican with some juice will appear in 2016 that may have a chance to win.
 
Not on that subject he hasn't. Yall will be shocked at how much power those gays and lesbians have. More than the good ole boys. Remember even McCain's daughter was saying she was down with it when her Daddy was running. You got Republicans like Gingrich and Cheyney that got relatives that are gay. Don't let the talking head conservatives fool you with their public stances.

This acknowledgement is just PR for the president. Politics. He said all that then said, he would leave it up to the States to decide. So he basically got the gays to say damn, the Prez is with us without committing one thing. LOL.

Romney has an uphill battle because a lot of Republicans hate his guts and don't trust him. He is not the strongest candidate they could have thrown at Obama. Romney also has the stigma of being a Mormon which will get a lot of good ole boys in this country to stay home. Plus he has pissed off the Women in this country. More women want to be able to do what they want with their bodies regardless of the party they belong too. The election will be closer than the last one for sure because these conservatives just want him out of there. But he will get enough votes to get win in November. Then the a real Republican with some juice will appear in 2016 that may have a chance to win.

Exactly. It's all political.
 
He might have just lost the election, but kudos to the president for taking a stand.

exactly, i'm trying to tell these people. Yes its a political move, a risky move, a not needed move at this point in time. For him to take a stand on this now means he can also start taking a stand on black issues as well.

He has no excuse anymore. If he can do this for them...then he has to start speaking and doing for us...before the election. We must hold him accountable now.
 
I personally consider the institution of marriage to be a religious institution that neither federal nor state governments should be involved in. Particularly the federal government. However, if we will continue to have legal marriages, I don't see how allowing heterosexual marriages and not allowing homosexual marriages will stand the test of time legally. If the government would have never gotten involved in this institution, we would not even be having this discussion right now.
 
exactly, i'm trying to tell these people. Yes its a political move, a risky move, a not needed move at this point in time. For him to take a stand on this now means he can also start taking a stand on black issues as well.

He has no excuse anymore. If he can do this for them...then he has to start speaking and doing for us...before the election. We must hold him accountable now.

I agree with you to an extent, but what specifically do you want him to do for "us"?
 
I personally consider the institution of marriage to be a religious institution that neither federal nor state governments should be involved in. Particularly the federal government. However, if we will continue to have legal marriages, I don't see how allowing heterosexual marriages and not allowing homosexual marriages will stand the test of time legally. If the government would have never gotten involved in this institution, we would not even be having this discussion right now.

You've said this many times.

Can you explain to me how this would work? What about people who don't believe in religion? How would they get married in this country if marriage was only a religious institution? Also, what constitutes a religion? If I founded the Church of Pimps and Ho's, would I be allowed to perform marriages? Why or why not?
 
You've said this many times.

Can you explain to me how this would work? What about people who don't believe in religion? How would they get married in this country if marriage was only a religious institution? Also, what constitutes a religion? If I founded the Church of Pimps and Ho's, would I be allowed to perform marriages? Why or why not?

Pretty much, that is a contract between a person and their God or lack there-of. If you can't find a religion that allows you to marry, start your own. Go to vegas and have a drive through marriage and call it a day. It is your personal choice. The Government should not in any shape, form, or fashion try to regulate marriage.
 
Pretty much, that is a contract between a person and their God or lack there-of. If you can't find a religion that allows you to marry, start your own. Go to vegas and have a drive through marriage and call it a day. It is your personal choice. The Government should not in any shape, form, or fashion try to regulate marriage.

Isn't a Vegas marriage approved by the state of Nevada? So, people who do not have a religion or do not make up a religion will still have to go to the state?
 
Isn't a Vegas marriage approved by the state of Nevada? So, people who do not have a religion or do not make up a religion will still have to go to the state?

I was just using that as an example. You can have the ceremony wherever you want. It is the piece of paper you get validating it that I want to eliminate.
 
I wonder what kind of stand the black church will take on this, I know I will think twice about voting for him now!
 
Justice of the peace have the power to marry people, ship captains can marry people, etc.

People stop being so damn brain dead and focus on real issues.

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The sad part is black church's focus on fags and say they won't vote for him, yet ain't dam black preacher on CNN, NBC, Fox or ABC preaching against black men killing each other everyday. We some screwed up people.
 
I wonder what kind of stand the black church will take on this, I know I will think twice about voting for him now!

I feel sorry for you if you're so limited that you would allow a person opinion to make you not vote for them.

Not an act...an opinion :rolleyes:

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The sad part is black church's focus on fags and say they won't vote for him, yet ain't dam black preacher on CNN, NBC, Fox or ABC preaching against black men killing each other everyday. We some screwed up people.

I haven't heard any black church take that position, although I'm sure there are a couple of extremist out there.

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I was just using that as an example. You can have the ceremony wherever you want. It is the piece of paper you get validating it that I want to eliminate.

Oh, I see. You want to get rid of the piece of paper from the government that validates marriages.

Okay.

When it comes to beneficiaries and heirs, when it's time to distribute the property of the deceased - land, real property, life insurance proceeds, retirement fund proceeds - how will those things be decided if there is no document declaring what is a legal marriage?

What about bigamy? What if I married in Louisiana Perfect and Precious Baptist Church and then went to California, restarted Charles Manson's cult, called it a church and married five flower children? Who is my wife?

What about divorce? Would divorce also be the realm of the church? What if I started The Church of Women Who Leave Me Don't Get Shat? Married a woman and divorced her according to my beliefs. Would the government stay out of that situation?

I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just wondering how it would work.
 
I haven't heard any black church take that position, although I'm sure there are a couple of extremist out there.

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Well, I've interviewed black pastors and even heard some on the radio who said: A. They don't support gay marriage, civil unions and will not marry such couples. B. They don't agree with Obama's stance and might not vote for him come November. None of them, however, said they would implore their congregations to vote a certain way based on Obama's comments.
 
By what concept is marriage supposed to be defined between a man and a woman? Religious, morality, nature/Darwinian (depending on who you talk to this can still be a religion)

The reason I ask this is, because atheist get married all the time, some in a church with a minister, (WHAT A CONTRADICTION!), some with a justice of the peace at the court house, (still a contradiction), and others with a judge at a court house or place other than a church.

So if some atheist have taken the religious aspect out of marriage, aren't they really just a civil union, truthfully all marriages are civil unions, the difference is that those who proclaim a religion, have a union recognized by their god as well as the state, where as non-religious people have a union recognized only by the state and/or whatever belief they choose.

So keeping the above in mind why shouldn't the G&L community be allowed to get married? It's a civil union, and where recognized G&L civil union couples are already afforded certain privileges that heterosexually married couples are afforded.

Another issue, the states that recognize common-law marriage for heterosexual couples, no justice of the peace, no minister, and no judge, but because you've been shacking for 5 years or more, then the state recognizes you as legally married. So where is the religious, moral, or Darwinian belief? It's just been thrown out, that's where.

One other point, calling it a states right issue, truthfully other states don't have to recognize your heterosexual marriage license now. I believe it's a courtesy each states grants to the other, I may be wrong and feel free to correct me in that good ole TSPN fashion.

The bottom line is this, President Obama stated his "current" views on the matter. Is it a political move, yes. Will it have negative and positive repercussions, yes. But nothing will happen before the end of the year, and depending on what type of congress we have, it may or may never come to fruition. So regardless of everything I wrote, my personal beliefs, and whether I agree or disagree with the president on this issue, there is a lot more at stake in November and the next 4+ years. The economy, current and maybe future wars, foreign relationships, and retiring Supreme Court Justice to name a few.

President Obama STILL HAS MY VOTE, what about you? (other than the two that have already stated, that they will sit out in November) and if you truthfully do this, don't complain, because you just became a part of the problem.
 
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Oh, I see. You want to get rid of the piece of paper from the government that validates marriages.

Okay.

When it comes to beneficiaries and heirs, when it's time to distribute the property of the deceased - land, real property, life insurance proceeds, retirement fund proceeds - how will those things be decided if there is no document declaring what is a legal marriage?

What about bigamy? What if I married in Louisiana Perfect and Precious Baptist Church and then went to California, restarted Charles Manson's cult, called it a church and married five flower children? Who is my wife?

What about divorce? Would divorce also be the realm of the church? What if I started The Church of Women Who Leave Me Don't Get Shat? Married a woman and divorced her according to my beliefs. Would the government stay out of that situation?

I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just wondering how it would work.

All of these issues play out the way they play out now because the govt got involved in marriage. A person can still put together a will and give property to whom they want to. Kids should be able to get property from their parents.

If there is no legal marriage, there will be no need for a legal divorce. If you want to be divorced, simply proclaim that you are divorced and leave. If you remove the govt incentives for marriage, I believe you will get less bullcrap marriages to begin with....

To answer your question about who is your wife, the govt shall not recognize you as having a wife, you are an individual, you can claim how many wives you want.
 
Oh, I see. You want to get rid of the piece of paper from the government that validates marriages.

Okay.

When it comes to beneficiaries and heirs, when it's time to distribute the property of the deceased - land, real property, life insurance proceeds, retirement fund proceeds - how will those things be decided if there is no document declaring what is a legal marriage?

What about bigamy? What if I married in Louisiana Perfect and Precious Baptist Church and then went to California, restarted Charles Manson's cult, called it a church and married five flower children? Who is my wife?

What about divorce? Would divorce also be the realm of the church? What if I started The Church of Women Who Leave Me Don't Get Shat? Married a woman and divorced her according to my beliefs. Would the government stay out of that situation?

I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just wondering how it would work.

lol...sorry I had to laugh

@ CEE me & My brother was just talking about that...how we as a people refuse to speak up about the Black KKK. If you gon be one way...be that way all the time. You can't pick when its ok for you, then speak on it. You have to call it what it is regardless of situation.

I made status on my facebook about the Black KKK, not one comment. So far about the Obama on Gay issue I've got about 10-12 responses...its sad.
 
All of these issues play out the way they play out now because the govt got involved in marriage. A person can still put together a will and give property to whom they want to. Kids should be able to get property from their parents.

If there is no legal marriage, there will be no need for a legal divorce. If you want to be divorced, simply proclaim that you are divorced and leave. If you remove the govt incentives for marriage, I believe you will get less bullcrap marriages to begin with....

To answer your question about who is your wife, the govt shall not recognize you as having a wife, you are an individual, you can claim how many wives you want.

Wow.
 
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