NCAA turns down Williams' reinstatement bid


Jafus (Thinker)

Jafus (Thinker)

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Shaking My Head!!

NCAA turns down Williams' reinstatement bid

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/08/26/williams.denied.ap/index.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The NCAA refused to reinstate Southern California All-American Mike Williams on Thursday, leaving the star receiver unable to rejoin the top-ranked Trojans after being shut out of the NFL draft by the courts.

"I'm glad it's over. Now the team can move forward and I can move forward," Williams said by phone. "I'm disappointed. I did everything asked of me. I don't know yet what I'm going to do. I'll just relax for the weekend and watch the game and root for my team."

The ruling came shortly before the Trojans boarded a plane for Baltimore. They open their season Saturday night against Virginia Tech in Landover, Md.

"It's very cold and insensitive for them to deny him this opportunity," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "As a football team, we've been prepared for this for a while. I'm not surprised by it, but I'm disappointed for Mike and his family. You'll have to go and ask the NCAA for answers, how they can turn someone down who is academically eligible."

The school had applied to the NCAA for a progress-toward-degree waiver and reinstatement of Williams' eligibility.

USC officials were unsure if there were any appeals still available for Williams, but he said he didn't plan to pursue them, anyway.

"I'm kind of done with it right now," he said.

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Jafus (Thinker) said:
Shaking My Head!!

NCAA turns down Williams' reinstatement bid

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/08/26/williams.denied.ap/index.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The NCAA refused to reinstate Southern California All-American Mike Williams on Thursday, leaving the star receiver unable to rejoin the top-ranked Trojans after being shut out of the NFL draft by the courts.

"I'm glad it's over. Now the team can move forward and I can move forward," Williams said by phone. "I'm disappointed. I did everything asked of me. I don't know yet what I'm going to do. I'll just relax for the weekend and watch the game and root for my team."

The ruling came shortly before the Trojans boarded a plane for Baltimore. They open their season Saturday night against Virginia Tech in Landover, Md.

"It's very cold and insensitive for them to deny him this opportunity," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "As a football team, we've been prepared for this for a while. I'm not surprised by it, but I'm disappointed for Mike and his family. You'll have to go and ask the NCAA for answers, how they can turn someone down who is academically eligible."

The school had applied to the NCAA for a progress-toward-degree waiver and reinstatement of Williams' eligibility.

USC officials were unsure if there were any appeals still available for Williams, but he said he didn't plan to pursue them, anyway.

"I'm kind of done with it right now," he said.

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That's too bad. Well at least USC have some young talented receiver on the team this coming season. I was going to the USC/VA Tech game just to see him play. That damn Maurice Clarrett (spelling?) :kaioken:
 



Anybody want to tell the story about the NCAA being fair again.

This guy made his decision based on what the courts and the NCAA laid out at the time.

They let a guy in at Miami with a record long as my arm, INCLUDING CHARGES DURING A RECRUITING VISIT, but won't let this kid back because of something that was not his fault. :smh:

This and the Jeramy? Bloom of CU case is why the NCAA Gov. body is a joke. :look:
 
That is unfortunate, he will get drafted anyway as long as he stays in shape. Watch out for Steve Smith at receiver, I was following him in high school and he just might break out. The team is loaded so they will fair well especially in the PAC-10.

When I was at lunch today, I saw three buses, a moving van and a police escort. I thought it was the team leaving but I guess not, probably the band.
 
I have a very serious problem with the NCAA. My problem goes back as far as the 70's and this fraud of a sub-classification (I-AA) to disenfranchise.
 
Er...um...before everybody goes and punches the NCAA in the face, you need to know the reason that the NCAA denied the reinstatement. I live just a few miles from Mike Williams parents and the bottom line is that the NCAA wanted him to pay back every dime that he received in payment for whatever he received while awaiting the court decision. He and his family did not do that, so the NCAA said no.

Simple. Every decision has consequences. I am sorry that it turned out this way, but these are the breaks.
 
So it is not okay for him (Williams) to refuse to give back all that he received while awaiting the court desicion, but it is ok for the NCAA to be bias toward most if not all of their rulings dacontinent? What you do for one you do for all? I would get into the Tennessee/Alabama incident, but I prefer to leave that alone.
 
tierre said:
So it is not okay for him (Williams) to refuse to give back all that he received while awaiting the court desicion, but it is ok for the NCAA to be bias toward most if not all of their rulings dacontinent? What you do for one you do for all? I would get into the Tennessee/Alabama incident, but I prefer to leave that alone.
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Policy is supposed to be policy so that equity in judgement can be afforded all. Where the NCAA fails in enforcing its policies it is completely wrong. I don't know about the Tennessee/Alabama incident. Enlighten me, if you will.

Now, I have learned more information. The return of the money was completed!

The apparent problem is that he skipped out on his spring classes once he declared for the draft - not a new thing for seniors, but an unwise thing for a sophomore. The NCAA stipiulated two things in his reinstatement: Return the money and make up the classes during the summer. Guess what he chose to not do? GO TO CLASS!!!!
 
Ok .............. I can see what you are saying about the case for giving the money back.

BUT ...... IN THIS CASE.......... the NCAA needed to pull it's head out of the sand and let this kid come back.

Question.

How is it that the NCAA can let PRO BASEBALL PLAYERS come in and play all the college football they want AND KEEP ALL THEIR MONEY THEY GOT FROM THAT TEAM AND AGENT, but could not make an exception in this case.

Why couldn't they let the kid from Colorado do his SKI thing and play college football. THEY LET BASEBALL PLAYERS DO IT and still play football.

These are not trouble atheletes. They have done what the NCAA talks about. No trouble, they work hard, and THEY GET THE GRADES.

BTW: They had him on SPORTSCENTER last night. HE DID RETURN TO SUMMER SCHOOL AND GOT THE GRADES. HE DID EVERYTHING THE NCAA WANTED HIM TO DO. He even took EXTRA CLASSES BUT THEY STRUNG HIM ALONG UNTIL 1 WEEK BEFORE A GAME.

That's just damm sad on the NCAA's part.
 
dacontinent said:
The NCAA stipiulated two things in his reinstatement: Return the money and make up the classes during the summer. Guess what he chose to not do? GO TO CLASS!!!!
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Uh, I think you're wrong on that one too.


After a court ruled that last winter that Ohio State's Maurice Clarett was eligible to play in the NFL, Williams left USC, hired an agent and said he was turning pro. That made him ineligible to play for the Trojans.

Williams was projected as a high first-round draft pick, but on May 24, an appeals court overturned the earlier ruling and upheld the NFL's right to bar players who had been out of high school for less than three years.

After the appeals court ruling, Williams severed ties with his agent and began the process of applying to the NCAA for reinstatement.

He returned to USC and took summer classes, seeking to have his academic eligibility also restored.

It was all for naught.

Two NCAA committees each considered separate issues. One was academics-related - whether Williams has made sufficient progress toward a degree. The other was whether he had returned all benefits provided him by his agent and endorsements.

Williams claimed he had documented the return of all such benefits.

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jstate83 said:
Ok .............. I can see what you are saying about the case for giving the money back.

BUT ...... IN THIS CASE.......... the NCAA needed to pull it's head out of the sand and let this kid come back.

Question.

How is it that the NCAA can let PRO BASEBALL PLAYERS come in and play all the college football they want AND KEEP ALL THEIR MONEY THEY GOT FROM THAT TEAM AND AGENT, but could not make an exception in this case.

Why couldn't they let the kid from Colorado do his SKI thing and play college football. THEY LET BASEBALL PLAYERS DO IT and still play football.

These are not trouble atheletes. They have done what the NCAA talks about. No trouble, they work hard, and THEY GET THE GRADES.

BTW: They had him on SPORTSCENTER last night. HE DID RETURN TO SUMMER SCHOOL AND GOT THE GRADES. HE DID EVERYTHING THE NCAA WANTED HIM TO DO. He even took EXTRA CLASSES BUT THEY STRUNG HIM ALONG UNTIL 1 WEEK BEFORE A GAME.

That's just damm sad on the NCAA's part.
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You are right about that... The NCAA looks sad and sadder everyday with things like this. They talk about across the board but you can pick holes in every arguement they make like the pro baseball players situations you mentioned. They are getting paid. Does that take away their amatuer status also? They have no idea what their purpose is. They are trying to find ways to keep more kids out than keep them in. Constantly changing the rules every time an incident comes up. If they would enforce the current rules that they have instead of just slapping big money schools on the wrist every time they do something. It makes me sick.
 



Blacknbengal said:
Uh, I think you're wrong on that one too.
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Actually he's not wrong. The NCAA rules stipulate that you must take 6 hours of courses in the semester preceeding the start of your sport NOT including summer hours. This kid made a decision based on a change in NFL rules and not the NCAA rules. Nothing about the NCAA rules changed. He didnt adhere to them because he didnt think he was going to need them again. He took a risk. It didnt work out.
 
Venom Skywalker said:
Actually he's not wrong. The NCAA rules stipulate that you must take 6 hours of courses in the semester preceeding the start of your sport NOT including summer hours. This kid made a decision based on a change in NFL rules and not the NCAA rules. Nothing about the NCAA rules changed. He didnt adhere to them because he didnt think he was going to need them again. He took a risk. It didnt work out.
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What he said on sportcenter was that he was led to believe that if he made up the requirements during the summer then it would be okay given the circumstances. To me, the NCAA should have reacted quickly if the case you stated above is the reason to why he was not reinstated. That is cut and dry. It should not have taken this long to come to a decision if that was the case. They could have saved Williams the trouble of trying to get eligible. He could have kept the money and been working out for next years draft instead of being in school something he obviously didn't want to do. The NCAA comes out shady in this instance regardless.
 
VERY TRUE. :tup: .............. and calling them SHADY is being nice. :shh:
Nobody is asking for rules to be broken outright. In these cases, the NCAA could use a little common sense and live in the reality of REAL LIFE for a change instead of some idea cooked up in their board rooms that they break on a daily basis...................THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES IS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT'S THROWING MONEY AT THEM.....(NCAA) :retard:
 
Its unfortuante, but what do you expect. College football players are SUPPOSE to be ametuers. This guy accepted money and perks as a professional football player. This is no different than a kid declaring himself for the NBA draft, hiring an agent, and getting perks to only find out he won't be drafted.

There was a risk/reward to this entire situation. Williams took the risk of hiring an agent for the reward of being drafted in the NFL. Once you hire an agent, you have to tell yourself there is no looking back.
 
Bottom line is no matter how much ya'll wanna bash the NCAA, MIKE WILLIAMS messed up. Like VS said, he took a risk and disregarded the rules and they blew up in his face. The rules (right or wrong) ain't changed. And I'm pretty sure they made him no promises BEFORE HE LEFT. The man hired an agent (a nono) and quit school (a definite nono) when his case was shaky at best. That's why I don't like these men going out and getting these agents so soon. In his situation, it would have been best for him to get drafted, wait on the ruling and then hire an agent. He would've still been paid and wouldnt've owed all that money back. 2 or 3 more months at his level wouldn't have killed him.

Now I agree the NCAA was wrong for stringing him along (and that's all this was) because the rules are there. Either you ain't gonna follow it or you are. It's an easy decision. And if you ain't you better have a darn good reason why and watch out because the next man is gonna use it against you.

83, shut your Southern California bias arse up! I hear ya'll may be getting another LA team.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Its unfortuante, but what do you expect. College football players are SUPPOSE to be ametuers. This guy accepted money and perks as a professional football player. This is no different than a kid declaring himself for the NBA draft, hiring an agent, and getting perks to only find out he won't be drafted.

There was a risk/reward to this entire situation. Williams took the risk of hiring an agent for the reward of being drafted in the NFL. Once you hire an agent, you have to tell yourself there is no looking back.
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Understandable, but you could you expound on the comment about the baseball player scenario.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Understandable, but you could you expound on the comment about the baseball player scenario.
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It is a fine line. I've heard Cedric Benson only got paid $500/month or lower to play PRO Baseball. I personally think that getting paid to play one sport and playing another sport (ametuer) should be totally be ruled out. Reason is you don't know who can funnel money. Ex. Arkansas lost scholarships because some rich Alumni would pay players money for work in Texas and the student wouldn't never be physically in Texas.

You can also look at it like this. Why do the NCAA let kids play pro baseball and college football? Maybe because many of the kids who do this are kids of the big time boosters.
 
Bengal E said:
83, shut your Southern California bias arse up! I hear ya'll may be getting another LA team.
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LB .............. In football, my Calli bias arse packed up years ago and moved to St. Louis with my RAMS. :goof: :goof:
 
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