Instead of saying OUR athletes, just say our elite athletes. HBCU athletic programs still have deep black rosters.
My Take On The Student-Athlete vs. HBCU Problem.
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Instead of saying OUR athletes, just say our elite athletes. HBCU athletic programs still have deep black rosters.
Everybody keep saying that HBCU's are not spending eough..... they can't spend, what they don't have. We need to be saying HBCU Grads arn't giving enough......Give back to the school and then challange them to spend. I know plenty of PWC folks that give back like they give to the church.
My kids are very familier with PV and wear the colors. My son had at least said that PV is on his list (he's a junior) and my daughter has said that PV is too close to home (she's a freshman and I'm still working to change that).
Rught now those kids don't qualify to get into our schols, that's the reason they are going Juco, D2 or D3.
They are quick to throw one and put the schools name all over their fliers and not give 1 cent to the schools.
Devil's Gun Trigger Man
onward and upward son!
I have been asking this question for years. I don't understand why we don't get more whites, and others, ESPECIALLY Mississippi SWAC schools with that Ayers money and how they put the minority stipulation on that.
tigertrail
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I'm with you I think it's too much ignorance combined with pride in my opinion. I can't stand listening to some on this board talk about a white athlete at a black school. It's the same ignorance that the whites used to have backin the 60's and before. Two wrongs........etc.
CEE DOG
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Man kill that noise. The ignorance is not being realistic. No one has ever stopped them from coming to our schools. The realistic view is they don't wanna come to our schools. We can't get black kids to come to our school, what makes you think you gone get white kids to flock to HBCU's? If you can't get a kid who 9 out 10 times had a family member who went to our schools come, how gone get some one who is born and raised to think he is better than you and not to be around you come? The ignorance comes from not living in reality. Name one white kid in America who grows up wanting to play for an HBCU? Shyt you can't name one black kid in 2011.
Devil's Gun Trigger Man
onward and upward son!
I kind of disagree with you to a point on this bruh, because folks would ROUTINELY talk bad about Doug Shanks, because our baseball team was mostly white. If he's getting them to come to Valley, why should that be a problem for anybody?
tigertrail
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Huh? LOL Cee my post had nothing do with whether they want to come or not. I'm saying when they actually DO come to our schools for whatever reason it is,some people spew ignorance and complain or criticize a white player playing for an HBCU. I don't think many white kids at all grow up wanting to play for an HBCU.
CEE DOG
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Baseball and Football and two different beast. You can go pro from any where. Fotball is about money and power. These kids want power. I mean let's be real, even black folks think HBCU football is small time. Do you not think a white kid from Orange County, Alabama think different? His whole family knows the SEC. 99.999999% of his family and friends have never heard of the SWAC or MEAC.
CEE DOG
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We complain about everything. That's just human nature. Folks on here complaining don't contribute on thought to the coaches or players. Shyt half don't buy tickets or support the school money wise at all.
Baseball is a totally different culture than football. It does not matter that much to a baseball player where they play. Cats get drafted out of high school, JUCO and D1. It is more easier for a white kid to settle for playing baseball at an HBCU school than a white football player.
The perceptions and expectations are different.
tigertrail
Well-Known Member
Yep, times a changin'. I agree with this.
mazjag
Well-Known Member
Number 5 is a result of the Ayers money. I would like to subscribe to the crumbs off the table philosophy by, taking some castaways from the big boys.I heard that castaways are either disipline problems or can't play. I'm of the opinion that you can always find diamonds in the rough so at least give yourself a chance and at least hustle for them. somebody mentioned early that some of these kids would rather sit on the bench third string than rather have a chance to start at a small school. We if they're a true competitor they would want to play some where.
:tup:
Also, I agree with Cee when he says many of the white cats yall want don't want to come to HBCUs. Or even worse, if they do get sold on coming to one, their parents and family shoot down the idea. This is not ALL of them, but many do. Heck BLACK parents shoot down the idea of their kids coming to HBCUs, so you know it is happening in non-black households.
skyvolt2000
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Intertesting that you said that. That is all I heard during Texas Southern's game with Baylor yesterday. That X was a former Texas or Kentucky player and they know how to play against "real" talent like Baylor.
I looking at Northwestern vs Michgan State, they mention a Northwestern player that chose that school over some top 10 schools that were after him.
Not all those kids that leave school were behavior issues-many were dumped when that team changed coaches. North Texas had 5 guys on thier 2007-08 team from teams that changed coaches. For Dez Willingham it was his THIRD time transfering both his former coaches got fired.
I was saying show an interest at that borderline kid way before the school year ends. I mean the kid that no one is looking at, who is a Junior in high school or just starting Senior year.
And maybe the SWAC should camp out at SMU after basketball season-I've never seen a school lose so many players via transferring.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
It's funny how sum of u guys are saying how SWAc schools should go after transfers and juco kids. Comedy been doing that at JSU nd receives the most hate in this backward ass conference just an observation! Smh
mazjag
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Comedy been doing that since he was at Tuskegee.
96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
empyright, this is an excellent point! :tup: I can't speak for any other HBCUs, but in my personal opinion, my beloved UAPB definitely needs to market the institution. I think a lot of the problem lies in the fact that many HBCUs (including my beloved) have outdated presidents, chancellors, administrators who also have outdated ideas or no innovative ideas at all and are still stuck in the past.
And I love the part about your co-worker from Southern. I am the same way.........my mother graduated from Arkansas AM&N........I came along 30 years later and graduated from UAPB. I LOVE UAPB!!!! I have 2 daughters; one is a senior in high school and the other is a sophomore in high school and both have been exposed to UAPB since they were about 3 and 2-years old! I not only took them to games, but also to Founder's Day and Alumni Assemblies; I wanted my girls to see prominent Black people who do truly support what they love and believe in. And my girls have also been to about 7 of the 10 SWAC schools (football games); they got a chance to see how other fans, alumni, supporters show their love and spirit for their respective HBCUs. Because of this exposure, my oldest daughter (who will graduate HS in May) has chosen to attend a SWAC HBCU (no, not UAPB) and my youngest wants to go to UAPB. Although I did not pressure either child to attend an HBCU, I made sure they were exposed to UAPB as much as I could........the ultimate choice on where to attend college was left up to them. But I am very proud that both have chosen an HBCU!
I don't hate you for saying this...........h3ll, it needs to be said. I get flack from some of my own for saying similar things. It's the truth, whether some folks like to hear it or not!
I think that's one of the points I was trying to make about UAPB........I personally think we need a chancellor/president with more business savvy in addition to more upgraded/innovative ideas to market UAPB. Sorry GLF, but that's how I see it!:|
I also agree with you about how our HBCUs need to branch out.......but I also agree with CEE. Unfortunately, we can't get our own kids to come to HBCUs. Here in Arkansas, even some of the members of my church will take/charter buses to go see them Razornecks play up on the hill, but won't go down the street to see Arkansas Baptist College to see the Buffaloes play a football game. They barely attend games down in Pine Bluff (UAPB), and most only see UAPB play at the DC4L!
But, this may be due to your statement about how HBCUs need to upgrade facilities, alumni support, and community involvement! This are some excellent strategies to help market our HBCUs! :clap:
And lastly, boy you know you shole spoke the troof when you talked about the SWAC lacking in sound coaching and strength and conditioning! :clap::clap::clap: Not making any excuses for my boys, but I didn't realize we had so many defensive players hurt this past season. I know 2 got hurt in the game against Alabama State, 1 got hurt in the game against Clark-Atlanta, and 1 got hurt in the game against Southern. These were games all played during September and on Oct. 2.......the beginning of the season. That does not speak well on the strengthening and conditioning coach! :upset:
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
It is about exposure. When my son was growing up everything out of his mouth was Texas or Rice. I started taking him with me to sTu games when he was in middle school and I never said a word about where I preferred that he go to school.
One thing that sold him on HBCUs were the marching bands. I was just as proud of him when he walked across the stage at sTu as I would have been if he had graduated from a 'pwc'. As a matter of fact I was MORE proud. I almost got kicked out of the H&PE for trying to get in a restricted area to take pictures. It would have been worth it.
"And I love the part about your co-worker from Southern. I am the same way.........my mother graduated from Arkansas AM&N........I came along 30 years later and graduated from UAPB. I LOVE UAPB!!!! I have 2 daughters; one is a senior in high school and the other is a sophomore in high school and both have been exposed to UAPB since they were about 3 and 2-years old! I not only took them to games, but also to Founder's Day and Alumni Assemblies; I wanted my girls to see prominent Black people who do truly support what they love and believe in. And my girls have also been to about 7 of the 10 SWAC schools (football games); they got a chance to see how other fans, alumni, supporters show their love and spirit for their respective HBCUs. Because of this exposure, my oldest daughter (who will graduate HS in May) has chosen to attend a SWAC HBCU (no, not UAPB) and my youngest wants to go to UAPB. Although I did not pressure either child to attend an HBCU, I made sure they were exposed to UAPB as much as I could........the ultimate choice on where to attend college was left up to them. But I am very proud that both have chosen an HBCU!"
One thing that sold him on HBCUs were the marching bands. I was just as proud of him when he walked across the stage at sTu as I would have been if he had graduated from a 'pwc'. As a matter of fact I was MORE proud. I almost got kicked out of the H&PE for trying to get in a restricted area to take pictures. It would have been worth it.
"And I love the part about your co-worker from Southern. I am the same way.........my mother graduated from Arkansas AM&N........I came along 30 years later and graduated from UAPB. I LOVE UAPB!!!! I have 2 daughters; one is a senior in high school and the other is a sophomore in high school and both have been exposed to UAPB since they were about 3 and 2-years old! I not only took them to games, but also to Founder's Day and Alumni Assemblies; I wanted my girls to see prominent Black people who do truly support what they love and believe in. And my girls have also been to about 7 of the 10 SWAC schools (football games); they got a chance to see how other fans, alumni, supporters show their love and spirit for their respective HBCUs. Because of this exposure, my oldest daughter (who will graduate HS in May) has chosen to attend a SWAC HBCU (no, not UAPB) and my youngest wants to go to UAPB. Although I did not pressure either child to attend an HBCU, I made sure they were exposed to UAPB as much as I could........the ultimate choice on where to attend college was left up to them. But I am very proud that both have chosen an HBCU!"
Da_Sperm
New Member
As a parent of a high school recruited athlete and a HBCU grad, our kid wasn't recruited by any HBCU schools until very late in the game. She wanted to be recruited by the schools, but nothing happened. Of the thousands of recruiting letters and emails, not one came from a HBCU, not even UAPB.
I told her that recruited athletes have to first love the schools that love them, meaning you can't want to go to a school that isn't recruiting you. I really think that many of the coaches simply DON'T RECRUIT well. Kristin's grandfather taught at UAPB for 30+ years, both parents graduated from UAPB, many other family members and friends too and all knew she was a good basketball player, however she didn't get one look from UAPB. After watching UAPB play SMU in women basketball this year, I wouldn't let my dog play for that program. I saw a 5'2 185lb point guard on the UAPB team. How can a 5'2 185lb player get a D1 scholarship in basketball and yet one of the nation's top point guard can't even get a serious look (plus both of her parents are alum).
I told her that recruited athletes have to first love the schools that love them, meaning you can't want to go to a school that isn't recruiting you. I really think that many of the coaches simply DON'T RECRUIT well. Kristin's grandfather taught at UAPB for 30+ years, both parents graduated from UAPB, many other family members and friends too and all knew she was a good basketball player, however she didn't get one look from UAPB. After watching UAPB play SMU in women basketball this year, I wouldn't let my dog play for that program. I saw a 5'2 185lb point guard on the UAPB team. How can a 5'2 185lb player get a D1 scholarship in basketball and yet one of the nation's top point guard can't even get a serious look (plus both of her parents are alum).
SUJagFan
Well-Known Member
Serious question, Sperm: Why is it a problem that UAPB didn't recruit your daughter if you wouldn't let your dog play for them? Maybe the coaches knew that and didn't waste their time or your time. :noidea:
JR
Well-Known Member
I think you misunderstood what he was saying. He didn't form an opinion of the basketball team at UAPB until this year. His daughter already had made her choice. But like I have heard from MANY HBCU alums. Our schools simply think we owe it to them to just send our kids there and make no effort to recruit our kids sometimes. Heck I was recruited to come to SU for many reasons. I expect my son to get the same treatment when he is ready for college. Don't just take it for granted because the kid is the child of an alum and think you already got them. And in some instances, when it comes to coaches.....alot of them think alum kids can't play even if you call them to alert them about your kid. It's like they don't want to have anything to do with you. I imagine some alums are problems when pushing their kid on their school. But if that coach can validate the kid can actually play then why not recruit them. Ben Jobe and I had a conversation over the phone in the early 90s when he was coaching SU basketball. He was one the few coaches who embraced alums giving him info on players no matter what. Some coaches would never return a call. I know Coach Jobe said that's how folks miss out on players. Cador is the same way. He will get back with you. Just not many like that though.
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
SUJagFan
Well-Known Member
I understand what he's saying and I understand what you're saying too. And I agree that coaches should follow up on leads and at least give a courtesy call to alumni.
However, my question was actually leading to somewhere else. Isn't it true that athletic departments have limited budgets? It seems to me that very few athletic departments can pursue every available player. Even in BCS conferences, very few schools can do that. Therefore, coaches must be selective about where they spend their time and money. I do think many SWAC coaches set their sights too low and assume they can't get certain players. But, the reality is still that they only have so many dollars and so many hours in the day to spend. Can you fault them for spending those resources where they think they have the highest chance to be successful?
SWAC schools are not the only schools that have alumni who want their children to play at their schools. Eric Moulds, the former Buffalo Bills WR, has a son who plays WR and wants to play at Moulds' school Mississippi State. Randy Moulds, Eric's son, has good size ... but ... to put it nicely ... will probably never see the field. He's on the team. Not on scholarship, but on the team. My point is it's common for alumni to have children who play sports also and want to play at their parent's alma mater. If everything comes down to dollars and cents and time, where do we draw the line at pursuing those leads? Is it a phone call? Inviting the kid to camp? Did Sperm's daughter camp at UAPB? If so, why wasn't a relationship established at that point? I guess what I'm saying is that it's easy to point fingers at these coaches when we don't know the whole story.
Axel Foley
New Member
Everyone is talking about how HBCUs can't get black athletes to play on their teams. But the last time I checked almost all the kids that have or currently attend HBCUs are black. So what's the problem? Are our current athletes not good enough for ya'll?