More Black Men May Be Taking Bar Exams Than Are Behind Bars


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Seems like the sistas in the Brazil video are uniformed as usual and making excuses as why no one wants them. :read:
http://news.yahoo.com/more-black-men-may-taking-bar-exams-behind-234521959.html

While running for president in summer 2007, Barack Obama told a crowd at an NAACP forum: “We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America.â€￾

Last December, Charles Barkley, a broadcaster and former NBA player, told Bob Costas: “You know, we’ve got more black men in prison than we do in college, and crime in our neighborhoods is running rampant.â€￾

Barkley and Obama are merely two among many prominent Americans, black and white, who, while arguing for creation of stronger opportunites for African American males, have promulgated the idea that more black men are behind prison bars than on college campuses.

There’s just one problem in that plea for action: The assertion isn’t true.

New research shows there are now 600,000 more African American men in colleges than in prison, contradicting a “mythâ€￾ that some advocates believe is undermining progress in the black community.

These advocates argue that the false statistic feeds the “narrative around affirmative actionâ€￾ that says black men need help to achieve equality.

As the Supreme Court prepares to hear a case on affirmative action that could restrict use of race to determine enrollment at public universities, its time to conquer the myth once and for all, Ivory Toldson, a professor at Howard University School of Education, tells TakePart.

“Really what [young black men] need to get into colleges is college-level classes, guidance services, college fairs, college tours. But stats like that give the impression what they need to go to college is a violence prevention program or a gang abatement program.â€￾

“It’s a line that was marketed very well,â€￾ says Toldson, who’s researched the statistic. “It’s what a lot of people think is true intuitively and has gotten repeated over and over. That’s one of the reasons why it persists.â€￾

That statistic originated with a study by the Justice Policy Institute, a criminal-justice reform think tank, which calculated that 791,600 black men were in jail or prison in 2000, and 603,032 were enrolled in colleges or universities. Critics say the JPI study didn’t use accurate data.

“In the past, the numbers still appeared close enough to say, well, you know, maybe there’s something to it, even though you can’t really quantify it right now,â€￾ says Toldson. “Right now we’re at a point where they’re not even close.

“We’re at a good point for us to just move past that myth and start thinking about some real problems,â€￾ continues Toldson. “Really what [young black men] need to get into colleges is college-level classes, guidance services, college fairs, college tours. But stats like that give the impression what they really need to go to college is a violence prevention program or a gang abatement program.â€￾
 



While I agree that there are probably more college-aged black men in college than in prison, the article does not present any data.
 
You had to click on the word "research" in the article that Cee posted jag4life:

http://www.theroot.com/views/more-black-men-jail-college-wrong

JPI has yet to acknowledge that today the enrollment of black males in college is drastically different from when it published "Cellblocks or Classrooms." If we replicated JPI's analysis by downloading enrollment data from the National Center for Education Statistics' Integrated Post‐Secondary Education Data System (IPEDS), we would find a 108.5 percent jump in black male college enrollment from 2001 to 2011. The raw numbers show that enrollment of black males increased from 693,044 in 2001 to 1,445,194 in 2011.

In September 2012, in response to the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's screening of the film Hoodwinked, directed by Janks Morton, JPI issued a press release titled, "JPI Stands by Data in 2002 on Education and Incarceration." However, if one examines the IPEDS data from 2001 to 2011, it is clear that many colleges and universities were not reporting JPI's data 10 years ago.

In 2011, 4,503 colleges and universities across the United States reported having at least one black male student. In 2001, only 2,734 colleges and universities reported having at least one black male student, with more than 1,000 not reporting any data at all. When perusing the IPEDS list of colleges with significant black male populations today but none reported in 2001, I noticed several historically black colleges and universities, including Bowie State University, and my own alma mater, Temple University. Ironically, I was enrolled at Temple as a doctoral candidate in 2001.

As a researcher who uses large data sets, I understand the inherent margin of error associated with such analysis. However, I do think that JPI shows arrogance and imprudence when it "stands by" its original findings today. The increase in black male college enrollment over the past 10 years is due to three primary factors: 1. IPEDS more precisely tracking enrollment (artificial gains), 2. social advancements (authentic gains) and 3. the rise of community and for-profit colleges (authentic gains).

The top 10 colleges for enrolling black males consist of three for-profit colleges, four community colleges and three public four-year institutions. The University of Phoenix online campus reported 847 black male students in 2001 and 21,802 in 2011, making it the nation's top enroller of black male students. Second is Ashford University, which reported 23 black males in 2001 and 15,081 in 2011.

Importantly, black male representation in higher education is proportional to black male representation in the adult population. However, lack of adequate guidance and academic rigor in high schools has resulted in black males being underrepresented at competitive universities like Rutgers and overrepresented at community colleges and online universities.

Consider this: If all 1,127,170 black males who were enrolled in undergraduate programs in 2010 eventually graduated, the total number of black males with college degrees would increase by 71 percent, nearly achieving parity with white males. However, we will not sufficiently support black male college students -- nor college-bound students -- if we simply keep perpetuating the myth that juxtaposes their needs with those of black males in the criminal-justice system.
 
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While we still have communities that don't support black males in getting some type of post-secondary education/training, our #1 problem is not getting our black men to college. The main issue that should be addressed is how we can retain them and push them toward graduation. PWIs, HBCUs, community colleges, 4-year institutions, and technical schools alike have to do a better job of this:

Consider this: If all 1,127,170 black males who were enrolled in undergraduate programs in 2010 eventually graduated, the total number of black males with college degrees would increase by 71 percent, nearly achieving parity with white males. However, we will not sufficiently support black male college students -- nor college-bound students -- if we simply keep perpetuating the myth that juxtaposes their needs with those of black males in the criminal-justice system.
 
THANK YOU! There are PLENTY of myths in the AA community that get perpetuated freely.

the anywhere from 7 to 20 women to one man. the majority of AA men in prison. the majority of AA men don't raise their kids. The majority of AA men don't get degrees. There are no good men/women in the AA community...ALL LIES!!!
 
chocalate_topaz said:
THANK YOU! There are PLENTY of myths in the AA community that get perpetuated freely.

the anywhere from 7 to 20 women to one man. the majority of AA men in prison. the majority of AA men don't raise their kids. The majority of AA men don't get degrees. There are no good men/women in the AA community...ALL LIES!!!
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You are correct. We cause a lot of these myths ourselves by making those comments. We perpetuate the problem.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
THANK YOU! There are PLENTY of myths in the AA community that get perpetuated freely.

the anywhere from 7 to 20 women to one man. the majority of AA men in prison. the majority of AA men don't raise their kids. The majority of AA men don't get degrees. There are no good men/women in the AA community...ALL LIES!!!
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Amen!!!

I tell people this constantly. I worked intake in prison where I was assigned to asking EVERY inmate who came to the Arkansas Department of Corrections if they had a high school diploma or GED... The white people out numbered the blacks at least 3 to 1.

Also what I like about Arkansas unlike other states is that you can go to their inmate search and do the numbers because their site is built that way:

White 7875
Black 6634
Asian 52
Cuban 6
Hispanic 440
Mexican 23
Native American 35
Other 13
Unknown 4
 
The Founder said:
Amen!!!

I tell people this constantly. I worked intake in prison where I was assigned to asking EVERY inmate who came to the Arkansas Department of Corrections if they had a high school diploma or GED... The white people out numbered the blacks at least 3 to 1.

Also what I like about Arkansas unlike other states is that you can go to their inmate search and do the numbers because their site is built that way:

White 7875
Black 6634
Asian 52
Cuban 6
Hispanic 440
Mexican 23
Native American 35
Other 13
Unknown 4
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Aren't they the same?
 
buckwheat1911 said:
Aren't they the same?
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No. Mexicans are from Mexico....Hispanic may be anyone not from Mexico. Meaning Columbia, Argentina, etc... Another thing is a number of those inmates who are of hispanic descent claim another country. That way, when INS comes and pick them up for deportation they fly them to that country. Well, they comeback to Mexico and get a work visa to the U.S. under another identity and move to a different state.

I know a guy who worked with a lawn service who said he paid $1750 and he get anywhere in the U.S. So what he would do is have the owner of the lawn company set aside the $1750 so that when he went back to Mexico for the winter, he would call the boss to wire him the $1750. Two weeks later he is back in the U.S.
 
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