Mich. girls team wins 115-2, draws ire


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Mich. girls team wins 115-2, draws ire

By David Eggert, The Associated Press

DETROIT ? A Michigan high school girls team is seething after it was beaten 115-2, while the winning team claims it tried hard not to run up the score.

Most expected Walkerville High School to beat Hart Lakeshore Public Academy, a school with only 50 students whose team hadn't won a game this season. But the final score from Tuesday night's playoff game incensed Lakeshore academic director Steve Hamilton.

"To me, if you run up the score like that, you have to answer for yourself," he said. "I have my doubts about a school that would go and run up a school by 100 points."

Walkerville contends that it played girls brought up from junior varsity and freshmen teams. The team also says it didn't press on defense, which it normally does, and backed off from going for the state record for points in a game (151).

"What do you tell our girls? Not to play?" Walkerville athletics director Ron Stoneman said. "It had the potential to be really, really bad."

Walkerville coach Steve Kirwin said his school doesn't schedule teams like Lakeshore in the regular season. But during the playoffs, "you play who they tell you to play."

By halftime, Kirwin said, three girls hadn't scored. So he said only they could shoot.

"I'm not going to tell my kids to not continue to play," Kirwin said. "It's not that we wanted to score a ton of points."

Before the season, the Michigan High School Athletic Association did away with a rule designed to keep margins from getting out of hand. Once a team led by 40 or more points in the second half, the clock ran continuously ? unless the losing team cut the deficit to 30. MHSAA assistant director Nate Hampton said the association had to cut the rule to follow guidelines of the National Federation of State High School Associations.

Hampton said the rule helped to spare teams from embarrassment or humiliation, but he added that "coaching tactics or strategies" can be used instead.

A 115-2 score "is what we've been guarding against the last several years," he said.
 
Anybody that lived in Alabama from 96-2000 saw similiar scores on the regular... Butler High School (Hunsville) use to KILL TEAMS... they broke a national record with a 163-14 win over Huntsville High School... and won the 6A state championship with a 60 point win over West End High School (Birmingham)... They were national champions 2 str8 years.
 



I've seen some lopsided scores...

but this takes the cake.

Is this a sportsmanship issue or was one side simply out-classed?

Given that it seems that the winner doesn't schedule schools like the loser, I'm thinking that it was simply being out-classed. I've seen some lopsided stuff in girl's hoops, but dayum.
 
What a terrific way to get someone's kid hurt for life.

If my child had been on the receiving end of that score, by the middle of the 3rd quarter, I would've pulled my child over the side and told him/her to go and literally roll up on someone's leg/ankle as they turn their back to them etc... Since sportsmanship is being thrown out of the window. Mess'em up for the rest of their life.

What a pathetic display of sportsmanship. But, others will chime in and say it was the losing teams' responsibility to stop the winning team, right? :rolleyes: Puleaz... Ethics have to come into play w/ <b>kids</b>.
 
I've seen similar situations, but...

if the opposing coach had ANY sense, he would have slowed the pace of the game down and kept the clock running.

Now I have seen situations where the coaches actually tried this, but I would assume that these kids (worst case scenario) couldn't even handle the basketball...dribbling or passing, which are the basic skills. I mean to run a score up like that means a lot of running, steals and snowbirding.

I would have pulled it out and we would have put everybody to sleep in that one!! :(

The opposing coach was right in not allowing certain players to score, but dayummmmm...everybody on the team must have had at least 10 points.

What do you do to avoid this in a playoff situation? Depending on the number of teams in that classification, limit the playoffs to the top 3 per district. That should be a start...at least for those teams with lesser skills.

All I can say is I would have to congratulate the losers for sticking with it until the end. I am sure they will be honing their skills in the offseason and looking for a little revenge next year!!! :cool:
 
Kids man. You're talking about kids. I can't believe some of y'all. You'd better <b>seriously pray</b> that your kids never ever meet my kids in athletic competition. You and your kid will visit the ER trying to figure out how to repair your kids' torn ACL by the time I start giving advice to my kiddo pre-game. :mad:
 
JD!!!!

Bruh!!! I KNOW you know about coaching and competition and all. You're talking about <b>kids</b> man. If you're gonna' throw sportsmanship out of the window, then be prepared for the consequences. Poor sportsmanship can get someone hurt. (4life)
 
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JD!!!!

Bruh!!! I KNOW you know about coaching and competition and all. You're talking about <b>kids</b> man. If you're gonna' throw sportsmanship out of the window, then be prepared for the consequences. Poor sportsmanship can get someone hurt. (4life)
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In the case with Butler High...it was nothing else they could do...

they had SEVEN (7) Division 1 signees on one team and only had 10 players on the team... yes that means 2 of them couldnt even start. The 2 that didnt start now play for University of Florida and University of South Alabama.
 
Ark PB AD Scheduling 101

This just sounds like an AD that didn't know what they hell he was doing, kind of like Ark PB's formal AD. Stop over matching these kids: nothing is learned when playing a non-competitive game. Got it?

LaMont
 



Originally posted by Panthro
Kids man. You're talking about kids. I can't believe some of y'all. You'd better <b>seriously pray</b> that your kids never ever meet my kids in athletic competition. You and your kid will visit the ER trying to figure out how to repair your kids' torn ACL by the time I start giving advice to my kiddo pre-game. :mad:
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You need help. If your kid is so bad that he/she has to resort to injuring someone intentionally to keep from getting beat badly, they shouldn't play sports.
 
The worst blowout I have personally witnessed was here in Houston where Yates High School Girls basketball team beat
Davis High School 108- 06 !!! :eek2:
 
If the losing school scheduled and challenged this larger school with more athletic players, then I say "TOUGH".

Now those girls on the losing team should have an idea of what PLAYING HARD WITH INTENSITY for 32 minutes is all about. And you can only do that by working out in the off season.

The same thing occured in Arkansas when a school beat it's opponent 72-0 in football.

That next year the game between those 2 schools was more competitive.

Those same players who got the isht beat of them the year before was quoted saying that after last years whupping... they worked out more and harder in the off season.

Who knows maybe the coach on the losing team was trying to teach the players a hard lesson.



Perfection is a result of a perfect practice!
 
I think somebody shudd've intervened. The refs shudda had a discussion with the coaches at halftime.

But I'd have to ask this: What kind of team can you possibly (competitive-wise) when your total school enrollment is 50 students?

This was a colossal mis-match from the outset...

:shame:
 
It was a playoff game, so they had no choice in the matchup. And what are the coaches supposed to do? Tell them to slow down and turn the ball over on every possession? LET them score at will? Hardly practical.

When you're out classed, you're out classed. It sucks, but hey, you can't do much about it.
 
Originally posted by Kool-Aid2K1


You need help. If your kid is so bad that he/she has to resort to injuring someone intentionally to keep from getting beat badly, they shouldn't play sports.
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Nope, someone's parents will need help getting to the ER when <b>someone who thinks like me is </b> through w/ them. Period and point blank!

A short and true story if you will: I personally know 2 kids<b>, one white guy and one black guy who literally grew up together since age 5, who popped this former Texas high school blue-chip RBs ankle 4Life because they were SICK and TIRED of READING, HEARING, and LISTENING to BS about how this guy was the 2nd coming of Eric Dickerson, blah blah blah for the current week of football!</b> They intentionally went after his knees/ankles the ENTIRE game (he was too big upper-body wise to tackle anyway) and actually bragged about what they'd done for a few weeks afterward. I think they also went on to destroy this other potential blue-chip QB's ACL and another guys rib or something or another. They laughed it off and bragged on it for quite a while. One of the guys saw that former blue-chip RB 2 years later and he had tears in his eyes explaining how some guys on this one particular team ended his NFL career prematurely. He had schools all over the nation looking at him (I remember that). That's real my man. Throw sportsmanship out of the window and it's a free for all. Deal w/ it. Live w/ it or do something about it!

You're dealing w/ <b>impressionable kids</b> and if you're gonna' teach them that sportsmanship should be tossed, be very ill prepared to deal w/ the consequences of unsportsmanlike conduct towards them as a form of retaliation. What, do they have shot clocks in high school/junior high now? :confused: C'mon man. To answer someones' question earlier, yes, I would've stalled the ball or told my squad that they are only allowed to shoot the ball w/ their "weaker" hand (if you're right handed, shoot w/ the left and vice-versa). Anything to help the other team out. And, if you're ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO a bball player, you would know that it's IMPERATIVE that you're ambidextrous. Would've been good practice anyway.
 
Originally posted by Panthro


...You're dealing w/ <b>impressionable kids</b> and if you're gonna' teach them that sportsmanship should be tossed, be very ill prepared to deal w/ the consequences of unsportsmanlike conduct towards them as a form of retaliation. What, do they have shot clocks in high school/junior high now? :confused: C'mon man. To answer someones' question earlier, yes, I would've stalled the ball or told my squad that they are only allowed to shoot the ball w/ their "weaker" hand (if you're right handed, shoot w/ the left and vice-versa). Anything to help the other team out. And, if you're ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO a bball player, you would know that it's IMPERATIVE that you're ambidextrous. Would've been good practice anyway.
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This is your first nearly decent post on this thread. This is actually a pleasant and thoughtful alternative.

The one thing that I would never tell a kid athlete to do is to back-off. That is when kids get hurt. Why? Because few of them have developed the mental and motor skills to control themselves properly at that level. It is to invite disaster. Shooting and dribbling with the alternate hand makes it a very worthwhile practice effort.

HOWEVER, if you want to go to the poor house 4LIFE, instruct a kid to intentionally hurt another. Kids will roll-over on you when pressed hard enough. When that happens, YOU will be crushed 4LIFE.
 
Originally posted by Panthro
If my child had been on the receiving end of that score, by the middle of the 3rd quarter, I would've pulled my child over the side and told him/her to go and literally roll up on someone's leg/ankle as they turn their back to them etc... Since sportsmanship is being thrown out of the window. Mess'em up for the rest of their life.
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Panthro

#1. Your child would probably be banned from ever playing again and that would be unfortunate if he/she were an underclassmen. The saddest part is that it would have all started with him/her taking instructions from their retarded ass father in the stands.

#2. You mentioned that these are KIDS and youre talking about messing them up for life. For Life? Ha'mercy!!!!!!!!!!

#3. The funniest thing would be if all of this were caught on tape and you ended up in court for instructing your kids to do so. You know video cameras are everywhere.
 
Originally posted by Panthro
I personally know 2 kids<b>, one white guy and one black guy who literally grew up together since age 5, who popped this former Texas high school blue-chip RBs ankle 4Life because they were SICK and TIRED of READING, HEARING, and LISTENING to BS about how this guy was the 2nd coming of Eric Dickerson, blah blah blah for the current week of football!</b> They intentionally went after his knees/ankles the ENTIRE game (he was too big upper-body wise to tackle anyway) and actually bragged about what they'd done for a few weeks afterward. I think they also went on to destroy this other potential blue-chip QB's ACL and another guys rib or something or another. They laughed it off and bragged on it for quite a while. One of the guys saw that former blue-chip RB 2 years later and he had tears in his eyes explaining how some guys on this one particular team ended his NFL career prematurely. He had schools all over the nation looking at him (I remember that). That's real my man. Throw sportsmanship out of the window and it's a free for all. Deal w/ it. Live w/ it or do something about it!
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What does this have to do with the topic of this thread? Youre talking about sportsmanship on one hand and jealousy on the other. I can imagine that both of those kids (Hekyll and Jekyll) were garbage players and their season was probably over (In October). Their actions may have been "real" but had nothing do with sportsmanship. Instead it's about two dumbasses being jealous of a kid because he was being touted as the next "E.D."
 
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