Kobe Bryants Defense Rocks The Court.


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Prosecution details case
Bryant allegedly attacked woman from behind
Posted: Thursday October 9, 2003 10:53PM; Updated: Thursday October 9, 2003 10:53PM

EAGLE, Colo. (AP) -- The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape told police a flirtatious encounter quickly turned ugly when he grabbed her by the neck, bent her over a chair and attacked her, repeatedly asking, "You're not going to tell anybody about this, right?"

The 19-year-old woman was raped after agreeing to go to Bryant's suite at the resort where she worked, Eagle County Sheriff's Detective Doug Winters testified Thursday at a preliminary hearing to determine whether Bryant will stand trial.

Winters described in graphic detail for a packed courtroom how, according to the woman, an exciting, chance meeting with the Los Angeles Lakers' superstar led to a nightmarish assault that left her shaken and in tears.

She said she told Bryant "no" at least twice and he ignored her, pulling her dress up and her underwear down and raping her from behind.

At one point, the woman told police, Bryant forced her to face him and say "no" when he asked if she was going to tell anyone. After the attack, Bryant made her kiss his penis, Winters said the woman told investigators.

Bryant, 25, has insisted the sex was consensual. He sat at the defense table staring straight at Winters for much of the hearing, hands folded in front of him. Bryant occasionally clenched his jaw, but showed little other reaction.

Though the testimony was graphic, the most explosive statement came from Bryant's own defense attorney when she suggested under cross examination that the woman's injuries would also be "consistent with a person who has had sex with three different men in three days."

That led an angry Judge Frederick Gannett to empty the courtroom and summon the lawyers to his chambers. Gannett was also upset earlier when defense attorney Pamela Mackey said the woman's name six times when asking questions.

She apologized, saying she would write herself a big note not to say it.


"Or I could get you a big muzzle," Gannett said.

The hearing -- expected to last only an afternoon -- was finally adjourned after more than six hours, an indication the trial could be long and laborious for both sides. Gannett said it would continue next Wednesday, and the district attorney's office said Bryant had to appear.

Winters, the only witness of the afternoon, recounted what the woman told him in an hourlong interview the day after she met Bryant at the resort. It all began with a tour of the hotel on June 30 that led to some flirting. She went back to Bryant's room and showed him a tattoo on her ankle, then turned down his request to join him in the hot tub, Winters said.

Her shift at the front desk was ending and she wanted to go home, he said, and "she was starting to feel a bit uncomfortable."

Winters said she stood up to leave and Bryant gave her a hug that led to some consensual kissing, Winters said.

But when she turned to go, Bryant grabbed her by the neck, pulled up her black dress and raped her against a chair, Winters said. She told investigators she said "no" at least twice, before bursting into tears as the five-minute attack went on.

Bryant wasn't holding her neck so tight she couldn't breathe, Winters said, but enough to control her movement.

"She was afraid that he was going to choke her," he said.

Afterward, Bryant told the woman to clean up, Winters said. She fixed her hair, wiped her face and left after again promising to remain silent.

She went back to the front desk to finish up her work and finally left the resort with an unidentified bellman, Winters said. She told him what happened and he urged her to report it, later following her home.

Winters testified that the woman's blood was found on the inside of Bryant's T-shirt, based on DNA tests. The woman told him she had bleeding from the attack, he said.

The prosecution also presented photographs showing vaginal injuries and one of a bruise on the woman's jaw, and a rape nurse's statement that her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex.

Mackey, though, suggested Winters had no idea when the bruise occurred, and got him to acknowledge that the woman needed no treatment for injuries when she was examined. She also questioned him on whether he saw marks on her neck when he interviewed her the next day.

"She talks on how Mr. Kobe Bryant grabbed her neck and choked her," Mackey told Winters. "You looked at her neck to see?"

Winters said he had, then Mackey asked him if he saw any injuries on her neck.

"Not from the front, no," he said.

"Not a red mark?" she asked.

"That's correct," he said.

"Not a scratch?"

"That's correct."

Winters said the woman seemed serious when he first interviewed her with her parents at their Eagle home.

"I sensed a crackle in her voice," he said. "She stated that he raped her."

Bryant faces up to life in prison if convicted of a felony charge of sexual assault. The judge said he would not rule Thursday on whether to proceed to trial.

Legal experts had expected the defense to waive the hearing and head straight to trial rather than allow prosecutors to lay out their case for the first time -- evidence that will be discussed in public for months.

Gannett had rejected defense requests to have the woman testify and to see her medical records.

The hearing began as hundreds of reporters and a handful of spectators gathered outside the courthouse to catch a glimpse of Bryant as he arrived with his lawyers in a caravan of three SUVs. He said nothing to the crowd.

Bryant had to take off a necklace and was checked with metal detectors before walking into the courtroom.

Bryant, free on $25,000 bond, had been ordered to appear in court for a bond hearing even if the preliminary hearing was waived. He left the Hawaii training camp of the Los Angeles Lakers on Wednesday.

Bryant has the right to go to trial within six months of entering a plea, but he could agree to push that back until later, perhaps after the NBA season ends early next summer.



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Graphic Testimony in Bryant Hearing
A detective details the accuser's account of a night that she said began with flirting and ended with rape. The defense counters aggressively.




By Elliott Teaford, Steve Henson and Alan Abrahamson, Times Staff Writers


EAGLE, Colo. ? A sheriff's detective testified Thursday that the 19-year-old resort worker accusing Kobe Bryant of rape told police that the Laker star placed his arms around her neck and forced her to have sex, despite her protests and tears.

But the woman also told investigators she went willingly to Bryant's room late at night, sneaking through the hotel kitchen to get there. And testimony indicated that there were no bruises or marks on the woman's neck or shoulders a day after the encounter.


Eagle County Sheriff's Det. Doug Winters, questioned during a preliminary hearing, testified that the woman said Bryant repeatedly asked her not to tell anyone and made her promise not to before letting her leave his room June 30 at an Edwards, Colo., resort.

The hearing, which included riveting testimony from Winters and contentious questioning from Bryant attorney Pamela Mackey, lasted more than five hours and ended without a decision on whether Bryant will stand trial on a felony sexual assault charge.

Eagle County Judge Frederick Gannett ordered the hearing continued on Wednesday. Bryant, 25, remains free on $25,000 bail. He has denied raping the woman, saying that they had consensual sex.

Bryant's accuser was not in court, leaving Winters to give, in explicit detail, the first public account of the woman's story. The detective was aggressively challenged by Mackey, who was warned by the judge for using the accuser's name in open court.

The hearing was covered by some 300 reporters and camera crews, most of whom were forced to stay outside because the proceeding took place in a small courtroom and was closed to cameras and recording devices.

Many experts were surprised there was any testimony at all, anticipating the defense would waive its right to a hearing and let Bryant plead not guilty at an arraignment. The Laker guard, a five-time NBA All-Star, flew in for the hearing from Hawaii, where the Lakers had ended training camp. He arrived 90 minutes before the hearing with his attorneys, bodyguards and agent. He remained expressionless throughout the proceeding, his eyes locked on Winters, the day's only witness.

Winters testified that the woman told him the encounter began with mutual flirting during a tour of the resort and ended with forced vaginal intercourse while she leaned over a chair. Bryant held her neck throughout the five-minute assault, the woman told Winters.

She told Winters that she broke into tears after twice telling Bryant "in a normal tone" to stop, then became more forceful, grabbing his hands and prying them from her neck. Afterward, the woman cleaned up in the bathroom, promised Bryant not to tell anyone what happened, then ran downstairs to the lobby, meeting a bellman who had seen the pair during the tour of the hotel, the woman told Winters. The bellman, Bobby Pietrack, became the first person to hear the woman's story.

The woman drove home and made her allegations to police the next day. Winters interviewed her for a short time at her parents' Eagle home and later for about an hour at the Eagle County sheriff's office.

Under cross-examination from Bryant attorney Mackey, Winters said he saw no bruises on the woman during the interviews. He also said the woman told a nurse at a Glenwood Springs hospital that evening that Bryant had insisted she kiss his penis before allowing her to leave his hotel room ? something the woman did not tell Winters.

Winters also said DNA tests showed that the woman's blood was found on the inside of Bryant's T-shirt. The detective said she had told him she bled from the assault.

Mackey aggressively challenged Winters' testimony and the physical evidence, which consisted of three photographs presented by Deputy Dist. Atty. Gregory Crittenden. One photograph showed a small bruise on the accuser's left jaw; the others were of what the prosecution said were vaginal injuries from the assault.

Mackey suggested that small scrapes, visible only on a magnified, dye-enhanced photograph, were caused by a speculum during an examination of the woman's genital area by hospital staff.

A short time later, Mackey brought the proceeding to a halt when she asked Winters whether the woman's injuries might also be "consistent with a person who has had sex with three different men in three days."

The judge called for a recess, emptying the courtroom and telling attorneys from both sides to meet him in his chambers. Mackey was scolded earlier by Gannett when she used the accuser's name six times during her cross-examination.

She told the judge she would write herself "a big note" not to use the name again. Countered Gannett: "Or I could get you a big muzzle."

Mackey continued to press the detective, particularly about the absence of bruises anywhere on the woman's body. Winters said he did not even see the bruise on her jaw during his interview with her.

"She talks [about] how Mr. Kobe Bryant grabbed her neck and choked her," Mackey asked Winters. "You looked at her neck to see?"

After Winters said he had indeed examined the woman for injuries, Mackey asked if he could see the bruises.

"Not from the front, no," Winters said.

"Not a red mark?" Mackey asked.

"That's correct," he said.

"Not a scratch?" she asked.

"That's correct," he said.

Most legal experts had predicted that the defense would waive the hearing and go directly to trial, speculating that lurid testimony in open court would be damaging to Bryant.

But Mackey sought to turn the hearing to Bryant's advantage by challenging Winters at every turn. Observers thought she succeeded.

"So far, the prosecution case is weaker than expected," said Craig Silverman, a former Denver deputy district attorney who sat in the courtroom.

Crittenden conducted the direct examination of the detective, which surprised some legal analysts because the attorney had suffered a seizure in court during a murder trial 48 days ago. A spokeswoman for the district attorney's office had said at the time that Crittenden was not expected to play a key role in the Bryant case.

However, Mark Hurlbert, the district attorney who brought the charge against Bryant, and Ingrid Bakke, a deputy district attorney and sexual assault specialist on loan from Boulder County, let Crittenden do all the talking.

Mackey made repeated objections to what she said were Crittenden's leading questions, and Gannett sustained most of them, at one point telling the prosecutor sarcastically, "We took different evidence classes."

The cross-examination will continue Wednesday, and Gannett hinted that he might close the remainder of the hearing. The judge denied two attempts Thursday by Bryant's attorneys to have the hearing closed, once before it began and again during a break.

However, Gannett cleared the courtroom during testimony from Winters about an interview authorities conducted with Bryant the day after the incident; the defense argued that Bryant's statements could be inadmissible. It is unclear whether Bryant was in custody at the time of the interview and whether he was read his Miranda rights.

Bryant, who had been in Hawaii at training camp, arrived at the Eagle County Justice Center in a white SUV, part of a three-vehicle convoy. Wearing a dark blazer and mustard-colored polo shirt without a tie, he walked inside through a metal detector.

Concealed were Bryant's new tattoos, one on his biceps of a crown and butterfly wings over his wife's name and another on his right wrist of his toddler daughter, Natalia.

The Lakers have stood by Bryant, who had arrived a day late to the team's Hawaii training camp because of an undisclosed illness. He practiced with teammates for several days but did not play in the Lakers' first two exhibition games.

There was no word about when he would rejoin the team, although he vowed last week to play this season. He also said last weekend that he was "terrified" about the prospects of the case moving forward.

Bryant was in Eagle County last June for knee surgery, which was performed the morning after the sexual encounter.

Winters said Bryant arrived at the hotel with two bodyguards and met the woman while she was checking them in. She showed them to his room on the first floor, and Bryant pulled her aside and asked her to come back later to give him a tour.

"It was more of a secretive thing," Winters said. "She came back to the front desk, then went the back way to Kobe's room," avoiding Bryant's bodyguards.

During the tour, Bryant complimented the woman on her appearance and her height. "She laughed at his jokes and thanked him for his compliments," Winters said she told him.

He invited her to his room, and Winters initially said she lifted her dress to show him a tattoo on her back. Later in the hearing, the detective amended the statement, saying he had "confused two interviews," and that the woman showed Bryant a tattoo on her ankle.

The woman declined Bryant's offer to join him in a hot tub, telling him her shift was about to end and she wanted to go home. Bryant then hugged her, which led to about five minutes of consensual kissing, the detective testified.

The kissing led to groping and the woman, according to the detective, began to resist. After she turned away from him to leave the room, "he grabbed her around the neck and moved with her to block her movements," Winters said.

Winters said she could still breathe. Bryant forced her over a chair, let go of her neck with one hand and pulled down her panties.

She said, " 'No,' " Winters said.

Henson and Abrahamson reported from Eagle, Colo. Teaford reported from Los Angeles.
 
Kobe's in trouble

I don't know what it would take, but he should just PAY OFF the girl. He's in whitelandia and he doesn't have a chance.
 

"Gannett had rejected defense requests to have the woman testify and to see her medical records."


You are probally right Lamont.

But There are so many things that do not add up about the accuser's story.

Being that she was in a public place where the walls are thin, she could have screamed, and fought off any attacker and somebody would have heard her screams for help. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by pbla
But the woman also told investigators she went willingly to Bryant's room late at night, sneaking through the hotel kitchen to get there. And testimony indicated that there were no bruises or marks on the woman's neck or shoulders a day after the encounter.

This is _ _ _. The prosecutor has a weak case so far.

It's gonna be interesting to see how Pamela Mackey handles herself in this case. She seems to be a fiery somebody. The comments she has made, especially the one regarding the bruises being "consistent with a person who has had sex with three different men in three days," was something different. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
 
Re: Re: Kobe Bryants Defense Rocks The Court.

Originally posted by GramFan
This is _ _ _. The prosecutor has a weak case so far.

It's gonna be interesting to see how Pamela Mackey handles herself in this case. She seems to be a fiery somebody. The comments she has made, especially the one regarding the bruises being "consistent with a person who has had sex with three different men in three days," was something different. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

I think the defense team knows a lot more than it is willing to let out right now. There is a reason she specifically asked about three different men in three days. She didn't just say three sexual encounters with one man in three days. I think they know some specifics. They are going to blow the defense apart once the real trial starts. It's not going to be pretty for ole girl. The holes in the prosecution case are already starting to show and the real deal has not even started.
 
Re: Re: Re: Kobe Bryants Defense Rocks The Court.

Originally posted by jaydog
I think the defense team knows a lot more than it is willing to let out right now. There is a reason she specifically asked about three different men in three days.


It was reported back in the summer that other acquaintances of the accuser reportedly saw here out partying and flirting with other men, just days after the alleged sexual assault.

Mackey seems to have her stuff together! She is going to rip that poor girl apart when this thing comes to trial. While Kobe was a stupid fool to even let the girl in his room, I really don't think (based on what's been reported over the past 24-36 hours) that he will serve any time. Sounds like he's got a good defense team covering his back. With his money, he sure as hell should have!
 
It's seems that Ms. Pamela Mackey was making it pretty clear how she felt about the judge protecting the accuser's right's but at the same time allowing any and everything to be said about her client, ole girl must be Irish.
 
Originally posted by pbla
[BBeing that she was in a public place where the walls are thin, she could have screamed, and fought off any attacker and somebody would have heard her screams for help. :rolleyes: [/B]

Bout time someone said F the one sided rules. If a mans entire history is an open book in these "he/she said" court battles, then so should hers.

After all that talk about the brusises, they got the cop to admit that it was not like it was described.:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: Kobe Bryants Defense Rocks The Court.

Originally posted by jaydog
I think the defense team knows a lot more than it is willing to let out right now. There is a reason she specifically asked about three different men in three days. She didn't just say three sexual encounters with one man in three days. I think they know some specifics.

That's exactly what I was alluding to. Obviously, they know something and are about to expose her.
 
Kobe is going to jail. He wont get out of this case.

In the extreme case that he is found not guilty (UNLIKELY), his reputation is ruined. This stuff is really bad.:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
 
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If you follow the "RULE OF PC THUMB" in these cases. Why is her word so believable ............................ and don't give me that "who would put themselve's through this kind of embarrasment" line. Sack chasers are everywhere.

If he is guilty, and the evidence shows it, see ya KOLBY. But until then, her word is no more crediable than his.
 
WAKE UP

He is a NEGRO (don't ever believe you will EVER "transcend" race) in a county that is 99% white. He is a NEGRO that has been accused of a crime that was considered ILLEGAL up to as few as 25 years ago (blacks and whites having sex.). All of the stereotypes will play right into the jury's head because at the end of the day, Kobe is just a NEGRO.

Heck, we should all know after the Rodney King trial that when you get a bunch of whites together on a jury, they are ALWAYS going to find for whitey. The facts in this case ARE IRRELEVANT!!! This is something you have to understand. Race TRUMPS facts EVEN in 2003.
 
I hope your wrong lamont i mean i hope we've gotten to the place where at least they can look at facts and no matter what their heads tell them the facts(if favorable) won't allow them to embarrass the country...."AGAIN"
 
Originally posted by Olde Hornet
Kobe is going to jail. He wont get out of this case.

In the extreme case that he is found not guilty (UNLIKELY), his reputation is ruined. This stuff is really bad.:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

It's not looking good.

Also, to the comments on race, enough already. Yall make it a dayum race issue just as much as "they" do. Good grief. Maybe Kobe should have thought about that and not even had the girl in the dayum room, or had his body gard in there in the first place if the place is a racial "speed trap". The prosecution is trying to nail the guy and the defense is trying to get him off!! What da he!! you expect the prosecution to do?!

I would concure that she could have made noise or kicked Kobe in the balls or something.
 
You'll know a white girl can't handle rough sex like a black girl. I think the sex was consensual and Kobe shouldn?t serve any time in jail.
 

Originally posted by TXSU
You'll know a white girl can't handle rough sex like a black girl. I think the sex was consensual and Kobe shouldn?t serve any time in jail.

A female co-worker of mine shares your opinion. She thinks ole' girl dropped them drawls and met more than she could handle. And as John Witherspoon would say, "it was bang bang bang."
 
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