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February 25, 2007

For once, let's think before we pony up

OK, so I read where there's a push to spend $5.4 million of our taxpayer dollars to tear down Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium, home of the Jackson State Tigers.

We will do this, in part, to make room for a research facility for University Medical Center. We will spend $25 million on the start-up there.

Then we will spend $66 million more in bond money to build a new home for the Jackson State Tigers a few miles to the west, near the Jackson State campus.

The new stadium would be roughly half as big as the old one.

Oh yes, and we just spent $15 million to renovate the old stadium, this after we spent $750,000 eight years ago on a study to decide whether we should renovate the old stadium or build a new one.

You couldn't make this stuff up. I went back through this newspaper's archives to make certain I remembered correctly the facts as they are.

Some of the same legislators who now avidly support the new stadium just a few years ago avidly supported renovating the old stadium.

They were either badly wrong then, or they are sadly wrong now.

If they were wrong back then, the lack of foresight is as astounding as it is costly.

The losers in all this?

You and me.

The taxpayers.

As usual.

ENTER, THE GRINCH

Please excuse me while I play Grinch.

Jackson State now plays in one of the biggest, finest stadiums in Division I-AA. It is about three miles from campus.

The proposed stadium would be across the street from the JSU campus. Apparently, some people think that JSU can acquire the land for, provide parking for and build a 40- to 50,000-seat stadium for $66 million.

Those people are either dreaming or smoking something that will be banned from the stadium.

The University of Connecticut opened a new, 44,000-seat stadium in 2003. The land was donated. The cost to build was $91.2 million. Construction costs have risen dramatically since then, especially post-Katrina.

Now then, excuse me as this Grinch turns sentimental. I love the history of Veterans Memorial Stadium, where Walter Payton once scored his touchdowns, where Archie Manning rolled to his left and right, where Alcorn and Mississippi Valley State drew the biggest crowd in Mississippi history, where Steve McNair did things I didn't think were possible, where Brett Favre started as a 17-year-old against Texas A&M, where State beat Bama and the Bear 6-3, where Sammy Winder dove eight yards into the end zone, where Joe Montana stood on the sidelines and watched Ole Miss beat his Notre Dame Fighting Irish, where every public school football player in Mississippi dreams of playing, and where the Sonic Boom has rocked the house year after year after year.

Just the history, alone, should count for something.

HERE WE GO AGAIN ...

Here's more history: I can remember years and years ago when good old Carl Walters wrote columns for this paper. Ole Miss and Mississippi State were lobbying hard for the expansion of Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium. Walters wrote columns opposing the expansion, saying it wasn't worth the cost.

The facility's capacity was 46,000 then. The horseshoe expansion would take it above 60,000.

We need the seats, Ole Miss and State said. If you build it, we will play all our big games there.

Walters argued against it. He said 46,000 seats were plenty. I thought he was being an old fuddy-duddy, a Grinch.

Turns out, he was being wise.

We spent millions to expand the stadium and then, years later, Ole Miss and State expanded their own stadiums, left Jackson, and we had 16,000 more seats that would remain empty at least 364 days a year.

Did we learn anything from that?

Apparently not.

We just keep spending.

Millions upon millions.


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Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

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Jackson State now plays in one of the biggest, finest stadiums in Division I-AA. It is about three miles from campus.

The proposed stadium would be across the street from the JSU campus. Apparently, some people think that JSU can acquire the land for, provide parking for and build a 40- to 50,000-seat stadium for $66 million.

Those people are either dreaming or smoking something that will be banned from the stadium.

The University of Connecticut opened a new, 44,000-seat stadium in 2003. The land was donated. The cost to build was $91.2 million. Construction costs have risen dramatically since then, especially post-Katrina.

Valid point. For 66 million, JSU will get a stadium similiar to Alcorn's.
 



Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

I wonder if this guy still lives at home
with his momma.
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

I wonder if this guy still lives at home
with his momma.

LOL good point.

Unknown, Our stadium won't be as nice or quite as big as UConns. Also construction costs in the Northeast are way higher than they are in MS. We can get a nice stadium that seats around 35-40K for the money we're looking at.

One thing to remember here is that Cleveland hasn't liked JSU since we fired Gordon as AD 15 years ago.
 
Counterpoint

Proposed stadium at JSU worthy of hearing
By Eric Stringfellow
Special to The Clarion-Ledger


Jackson State University is as close as it has been in generations to having an on-campus venue for its football games, thanks to last week's vote in the House of Representatives.
A $500 bond bill gives JSU $66 million for a stadium to be built just east of the west Jackson campus, between the university and downtown Jackson.
Representatives tied the stadium legislation to a $25 million research park at the University of Mississippi Medical Center which would go up after Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium is razed.
The proposal is sound and addresses two critical needs:

Since the early 1970s when Alumni Field was torn down to make way for what is now the John A. Peoples Science Building, Jackson State is the only school without its own facility. That easily costs the school millions each year.

The medical center, a critical institution for Jackson and Mississippi, needs room to grow.
ECONOMICS DEMANDS IT
The proposal still faces a long road filled with barriers. This includes the Senate, a faction of skeptical taxpayers and even some inside the JSU family who are apparently in love with the stadium and the status quo.
In the name of progress and equity, the proposal deserves a fair hearing.
Football stadiums generate millions in ticket sales, concessions, parking and advertising for universities. Unfortunately for Jackson State, the state's only urban university is forced to share those revenues with the Stadium Commission.
It's no surprise that Stadium Director Watt Whatley is against the proposal. Whatley clearly is the biggest beneficiary of the current obsolete arrangement, in which the Stadium Commission leases the facility to JSU, which basically pimps the university.
The stadium was expanded in 1979 from 46,000 to 62,000 with tax dollars to accommodate Ole Miss and Mississippi State University. Both institutions eventually realized they could make money for the institutions if they returned the games to their campuses.
It's much the same for JSU. Economics demands a facility the university owns and controls on its campus.
DROP THE OPPOSITION
The train of thought that insists that JSU should build its stadium with private dollars is uninformed. Such a request is unprecedented, since taxpayers played a key role in the construction of all the existing stadiums and JSU supporters also pay taxes.
The most surprising and disappointing element of the stadium debate is the small group of so-called JSU supporters who are speaking against a new stadium for the university. This group includes former JSU football coach W.C. Gorden as well as Ivory Phillips, a retired university professor and former president of the JSU Faculty Senate.
Gorden's issue is sentimental. He won more football games than any other coach in JSU history, most inside Veterans Memorial Stadium. Still, that's no reason to stand in the way of something that clearly would make JSU football more competitive.
Gorden should rest easy because his legacy is intact.
Phillips is best known for opposing any measures the administrations of former president James Lyons and current President Ronald Mason support.
That's unfortunate.
In this instance, Phillips should put his personal agenda aside and support what's not only in JSU's best interest but something that will also pay huge dividends for the medical center and for Mississippi.
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070225/OPINION/702250364
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

JSU I say go for it - Memorial has history but its time for JSU to make their own history. Having first hand knowledge dealing with bond initiatives - just finishing up a 70 million initiative here in Little Rock. I can say for sure that you must be very careful with cost measurements. You don't want your initial scope reduced because of cost. Just because UCONN SPENT 91.2 million doesn't mean JSU will because of the difference in regions.
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

I currently live in Connecticut and have seen UCONN's stadium. It is just right for JSU. But the land was donated by a major defense company and actually sits on the company's huge campus in East Hartford some 20 to 25 minutes from the school. I doubt that we can get the land and build a stadium like UCONN's for 66 million. Everything cost more up here than in Mississippi so it is hard to compare construction costs. However, JSUBENGAL makes valid points. I am all for Jackson State having a on-campus stadium, but I have little faith in the state Legislature actually providing enough funds for the building of a stadium that holds more than USM's stadium which holds 33 to 35,000. And 33,000 or less would be unacceptable.
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

Who cares..............Ain't nothing to think about.:no:

All the money TAXPAYERS have wasted on STATE FUNDED PROJECTS like a damm beef processing plant that never got off the ground at a tune of millions and other failure's like it yet they question something that's sure to bring in thousands on any given weekend.

As long as a project has Jackson or JSU on it, people that don't live in this city will find anything to cast a cloud on it.

Build it..............Damm what mofo's like this crit say's.
This mofo is trying to blame JSU for Memorial's demise and money spent on it because Ole Miss, MIss St., and USM told them to go f themselves after they pressured the state to expand Memorial.
That's how deep these crit's will go.
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

I wonder what folks gone say when we try to build a new stadium and stop playing is the crap we got now......
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

LOL good point.

Unknown, Our stadium won't be as nice or quite as big as UConns. Also construction costs in the Northeast are way higher than they are in MS. We can get a nice stadium that seats around 35-40K for the money we're looking at.

One thing to remember here is that Cleveland hasn't liked JSU since we fired Gordon as AD 15 years ago.

Man SMU built a nice 32,000 seat facility for 35 million. We can get a great statium in Jackson for that amount. We also have to raise 20 million in private funds that will bring it to more like 86 million.
 
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See, people like this makes MS look bad. I thought Alcorn's stadium only setaed around 20k? Why do folks b@tch about facilities JSU should have in the first place? :smh:
 
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Man SMU built a nice 32,000 seat facility for 35 million. We can get a great statium in Jackson for that amount. We also have to raise 20 million in private funds that will bring it to more like 86 million.

I hope folx @ PVAMU are paying close attention. :read:

<a href="http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html">SMU's Gerald Ford stadium w/ MAJOR donors</a> :read:
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

I hope folx @ PVAMU are paying close attention. :read:

<a href="http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html">SMU's Gerald Ford stadium w/ MAJOR donors</a> :read:

But are they really paying attention? Will they ever?

:read:
 
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I'm am loving this..........

But I am also hoping....Not raining on the parade....2 facts....

Needs to be NOW less than a 50,000 seater !!!!
Needs to have a PARKING GARAGE!!!!! (Because there IS NO PARKING) around campus!!!!!!!!
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

Man SMU built a nice 32,000 seat facility for 35 million. We can get a great statium in Jackson for that amount. We also have to raise 20 million in private funds that will bring it to more like 86 million.

You're talking 1997 dollars.....construction cost it at least 4 fold than that now. No way will you get a facility like that for those dollars. The school district where I live just built a 12K stadium for 32.3 million.
 



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Man SMU built a nice 32,000 seat facility for 35 million. We can get a great statium in Jackson for that amount. We also have to raise 20 million in private funds that will bring it to more like 86 million.

This is what most fail to realize. The entire project will cost around $80 million, and in Mississippi thats sufficient to build a state of the art 45k seat stadium.
 
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This is what most fail to realize. The entire project will cost around $80 million, and in Mississippi thats sufficient to build a state of the art 45k seat stadium.

So that means JSU will raise the additional $14 million to complete the stadium? Also, what is JSU going to do about the homeless people in the area where the stadium is going to be constructed?
 
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What has the CITY OF JACKSON done with the homeless in that area..............NOTHING.


People just inventing shat to throw rain clouds on what should be SUNNY DAY's for JSU.:smh:
 
Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

This is what most fail to realize. The entire project will cost around $80 million, and in Mississippi thats sufficient to build a state of the art 45k seat stadium.

$66 million is about right here people.
This is not UCONN or the NORTHEAST.

The cost of LIVING and the COST OF BUILDING is cheaper here than any place that has been mentioned by far.

Remember this is MISSISSIPPI.
Shat don't cast much here.
 
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So that means JSU will raise the additional $14 million to complete the stadium? Also, what is JSU going to do about the homeless people in the area where the stadium is going to be constructed?

Why would the homeless people all of a sudden be JSU worry? Should that be the city's problem so not only would we have to build a stadium and stop homelessness. While we at we need to find out who shot Tupac and Biggie. There are homeless people at major stadiums across America. Call George Bush and ask him.

Not speaking to anyone in particular on here. Anyone who doesn't support JSU building a stadium doesn't truly support JSU Athletics. A football stadium on campus will bring in students unlike no other. Being brand new right there would help recruit itself. The atmosphere on Saturday would be electric that in itself would make other student athlethes when they come down for there visit fall in love with JSU. It's a no lose situation for JSU. If we are to get this stadium built it would put us light years ahead of everyone in the conference with the baseball stadium the new track and them re-doing the Volleyball arena and Payton Center. What more could a student athlete ask for, also we are forever building so by the time the stadium is up no telling how many other things would be built. The student union is supposed to have a movie theater in it kids won't have to go to Ridgeland and Pearl to go to the movies. This should be a easy decision for anyone with the best interests of JSU.
 
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Why would the homeless people all of a sudden be JSU worry? Should that be the city's problem so not only would we have to build a stadium and stop homelessness. While we at we need to find out who shot Tupac and Biggie. There are homeless people at major stadiums across America. Call George Bush and ask him.

Exactly.................................. People just inventing shat to throw at JSU now.
All of a sudden, the homeless are JSU's fault.

I thought Frank Melton had that solved when people said it was OK for him to ARREST any HOMELESS that was on the street and not at a shelter.
 
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I drive by SMU's stadium at least twice a week, and have been to a few games there... I have to say the sight lines are PERFECT... The stadium is ridiculously COZY and there's not a bad seat in the entire house...

If JSU were able to build this Stadium, the economic potential for Jackson and JSU would grow by leaps and bounds. The MHSAA would beg to play the playoffs there. Maybe even the MPSAA.... And the close proximity to downtown opens up the areas (in between) to new retail, residential and commercial development....

If SMU's stadium is the 'target' arena, then please, by all means, support whatever efforts are underway.......

Gerald Ford Stadium has a modern, eclectic 'throwback' feel to it......

And there's not band 'echo' either (although SMU's pep band doesn't push any wattage, as compared to the Boom and other bands)....


I love SMU's stadium and would love to see JSU build one JUST LIKE IT...


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Re: For once, let's think before we pony up for a JSU Stadium

$66 million is about right here people.
This is not UCONN or the NORTHEAST.

The cost of LIVING and the COST OF BUILDING is cheaper here than any place that has been mentioned by far.

Remember this is MISSISSIPPI.
Shat don't cast much here.

But Stagga, wouldn't bldg materials there cost about as much as bldg materials in lets say... Scottsdale, AZ or any other place? :confused: Not arguing the cost of living because I'm fairly certain it'll be cheap. But, bldg materials are bldg regardless of physical location I thought. :confused:
 
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