I Take No Pride In Halle Berry's Oscar Nomination


JSU*Toi

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This should be on Round Table but it will get more views and replies here... Someone sent this to me. Its definitely something to think about. It long but if u have some time people, its worth some thought.


I Take No Pride In Halle Berry's Oscar Nomination
By Miles Willis

As an African-American man, I find nothing to be proud of in actress Halle Berry's recent Academy Award nomination. I haven't even seen the film, so it's not that I don't think her performance deserves to be so recognized. Nor is the significance of her nomination, and its potential for opening up more doors and attitudes for black actresses, lost upon me. I simply find
the premise of "Monster's Ball," in which a character played by one of our most prized beauties, falls in love with a racist white prison guard, (played by an actor named Billy Bob no less,) who led her late husband to his execution, is deliberately insulting. With its profanely incongruous and utterly implausible scenario, the plot of this film is a sneering, in-your-face taunt to all black men.

Imagine the seething indignation that a Jewish man might feel while watching a story in which the widow of a Nazi concentration camp victim has an intimate relationship with the SS officer that shoved her husband into one of those ovens at Auschwitz!

And for Ms. Berry, "Monster's Ball" is unfortunately just the latest
screening, at least since 1992's "Boomerang," in which we must endure seeing her in the throes of passion with white men. Her character boldly exposed her breasts to a white man in the movie "Swordfish," another 'got down' with an old white senator in "Bullworth," and had two white men, husband and lover/co-conspirator, in playing "The Rich Man's Wife."

Of course portraying Dorothy Dandridge required Berry's character, as Dandridge once described her own romantic/marital relationships, to 'throw (herself) at white men.' It seems that that's all Hollywood will throw at Ms. Berry. I don't think that it's mere coincidence. The motivation behind this phenomenon is clearly rooted in the legacy of slavery. Many plantation owners were notorious sexual predators who forced themselves upon slave women and girls of their choice at their leisure, and
their men were powerless to stop it.

On today's plantation, Hollywood confirms that 'old times there (truly) are not forgotten' as they recreate those longed-for days of unrestricted dalliances with their chattel by casting the best looking black actresses with white actors. At the same time they marginalize black men, both in front of and behind the camera, into cinematic inferiority and insignificance, denying them access to the opportunity to tell passionate tales of black people in love. Except for the all-black film adaptations of "Carmen" and "Porgy and Bess," the latter having been referred to by some black actors as a 'c**n show,' Dandridge, always near the top of any list of all-time most beautiful African-American women, never had an on-screen black lover, or an off-screen one for that matter, since only white men could advance her career. Lena Horne never played opposite white actors, but felt compelled to marry a white man just so that she could more fully enjoy the accoutrements of her show business celebrity.

Fast forward to 1992, with Whitney Houston who starred in the movie, "The Bodyguard." As one of the most successful pop singers in history, with cover-girl looks and proven crossover appeal, she could have made a romantic drama with Denzel, Wesley, Morris, etc., that would surely have been a box office smash. Instead, Hollywood produced a big budget, heavily promoted blockbuster in which Whitney's character takes a white man as her protector and lover. I felt snubbed and disrespected, having to just stand by and let 'Massa' take my woman for himself, just like before.

Now, let's flip the scenario, as we consider the country music vocalist Leann Rimes. She is a beautiful, successful recording artist, who surely will act in movies someday. But can you imagine her first role being analogous to Whitney's, that of a singer with a black bodyguard/lover? It's inconceivable! Why? I think it's because the media has so successfully demonized black men that the movie industry would run the risk of offending white male viewers with such a pairing.

But, they obviously have no such concerns about our sensibilities. Angela Bassett, a critically acclaimed and enchantingly beautiful actress, was Robert DeNiro's character's girlfriend in "The Score." Thandie Newton's character in the second "Mission Impossible" movie was shared between two white characters. Not to mention playing Sally Hemming to Nick Nolte's Thomas Jefferson. Even the original super-sister Pam Grier had a white lover in "Foxy Brown." And falling for a white bail bondsman who helped set up the murder of a black man, Samuel Jackson, in "Jackie Brown."

The main purpose of the movie industry is to create fantasy. And, it's pretty obvious whose fantasies Hollywood is trying to satisfy. I want to go to big-budget, action-packed, exciting, romantic, heavily promoted and critically acclaimed movies and see beautiful black women with guys who look, at least somewhat, like me. So that I can fantasize about them being with me, just like the white men do when they go see movies with beautiful
white women like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts. Obviously, Hollywood couldn't care less about what black men would like to see.

The sex scene in "Monsters Ball" is so graphic that according to Berry, herself, her husband walked out of the theater. I feel you there, Eric. I don't even want to see it. And, we must remember that when the movie industry finds that a particular type of movie is successful, it makes a whole bunch more just like it. So, you can bet that if Halle wins an Oscar for "Monster's Ball," and maybe even just because of the acclaim her portrayal has generated, we can expect to see more movies with fine black
women gettin' down with mangy, white redneck 'billybobs' that
dehumanize and execute their black men.

After all, vicious racists need love too. I find that prospect truly
monstrous.
 
Originally posted by JSU*Toi


I Take No Pride In Halle Berry's Oscar Nomination
By Miles Willis

As an African-American man, I find nothing to be proud of in actress Halle Berry's recent Academy Award nomination. I haven't even seen the film........

This statement is exactly why I will not even pay attention to anything that is said after this point! I get so tired of kneegrows who always have something to say, but have not a clue what they are speaking of. And most of the people who are trying to bash Halle or her role, admit that they haven't even seen the movie. The award is given for her performance...not the subject matter of the movie!

Where were all these haters when the movie was made? Where was all the protesting and hating for what the movie depicted then? Hell I bet if she had not won, non of these kneegrows would have a dayum thing to say about the movie! Some of you need to get off your high horses and shut the hell up!

I mean if you are going to have something negative to say about a role a woman played in a movie.......you could at least see the movie first. Dayum....sometimes I don't know what to say about us.........



What's that saying about Kneegorws and flies......I think it applies here!Q
 



Well, I definitely agree with the overall point that the author is making...Now, I haven't seen Monster's Ball or Training Day. And I really want to see them both one day. But I have seen Halle portray Dorthory Dandridge and Denzel portray Malcolm X, in those respective movies. And I think those performances should have been recognized.

Not to switch trains of thought from JSU*Toi's post, but do you all and other black people you know <b>really</b> care about the Oscar's? Out of <b>all</b> the movies made since Portier won in 1963, of all different genres, and out of all the memorable characters and roles of blacks in film, you mean to tell me <b>not a single black actor or black actress</b> has won this leading actor award again until now? :confused: That's ludicrous to me. I'd take the NAACP Image Awards over the "Academy" any day...because that's all it is, the "academy" - the old guard of Hollywood that will probably never change.
 
Re: Re: I Take No Pride In Halle Berry's Oscar Nomination

Originally posted by Suge


This statement is exactly why I will not even pay attention to anything that is said after this point! I get so tired of kneegrows who always have something to say, but have not a clue what they are speaking of. And most of the people who are trying to bash Halle or her role, admit that they haven't even seen the movie. The award is given for her performance...not the subject matter of the movie!

Where were all these haters when the movie was made? Where was all the protesting and hating for what the movie depicted then? Hell I bet if she had not won, non of these kneegrows would have a dayum thing to say about the movie! Some of you need to get off your high horses and shut the hell up!

I mean if you are going to have something negative to say about a role a woman played in a movie.......you could at least see the movie first. Dayum....sometimes I don't know what to say about us.........


Good Post Suge, and I have to agree with you. The theme or subject matter shouldn't be the issue here but the author makes a valid point. Do you honestly believe this was Halle's best work. I can think of two other movies where her performances was brilliant and she was completely overlooked. Does this mean that all our talented black actresses should follow suit in order to get their due recognition. I am personally happy for Halle but as far as I am concerned Angela Bassett should have won that award years ago. Denzel is still the man but you and many of us know he was robbed of his Oscar with the portrayal of Hurricane Carter a few years ago, and same can be said for Laurence Fishburne with 'Othello'.
 
Suge you took the words right out my dayum mouth. Haters make me sick. People havent seen the movie, so like crabs in a bucket, the gotta comeup with some sort of excuse. and it never holds up to any kind of logical analysis....


Miles Why didnt Nia Long get any critical acclaim for the Movie Boiler room? She was passed between 2 whiteboys in that movie.

Miles Didnt Julia Roberts star with Denzel Washington in the Pelican Brief? Didnt She say "I love my live when she found she would give him the award?

Miles Didnt Tea Leoni star with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys? Isnt she white and they black?

Miles Didnt Tiffani Thiessen Play the love interest of Tim Meadows in The Ladies Man?


If you want to see White chicks with black dudes, tune into the NBA on NBC. People complain about that too.

Quit hating on Halle and Denzel. They arent going to be Cliff and Clare Huxtable in every role.



:rolleyes:
 
I don't think he is bashing Halle

I felt that he was bashing the Hollywood System... You really do have to think about the whole picture here... She was good in Monster's Ball but she was better In Dorothy Dandridge.... I felt that if there was no sex sceen in Monster's Ball she would have no Oscar...





But that is just me....
 
I keep seeing people say she was better in D. Dandridge? Was she really? Why because it was a biography? Same with Denzel and Hurricane? And yes....you are right, without the sex scene, Halle may not have won the award. But isn't doing a scene that you know will breed controversy what gets people the award. I mean if a woman lays a lesbian....she'll get the nod. Man plays a homosexual male, he'll get the nod. Play a historic figure, you'll get the nod. The key is to play a character unlike yourself or any that you have played before. That is what both Denzel and Halle did. Besides Halle being good in Dorty Dandridge is what got her the chance to even start getting Oscar nods.........

Look I am no fool and I know that alot of roles that black thespians have played have been over looked. In our generation as well as our parents. But to knock the winners because of what hollywood has done....is backwards. hell if this author wanted to attack Hollywood......then attack them. But don't fight the messenger(aka Halle) to get your point across. Halle's role was controversial, that is true. But controversy i usually what gets Oscar anyway!

You don't have tp prase Halle if you don't want to, but you don't have to try and bash the woman either. Sometimes it is best to just sit on your hands and close your mouth. It serves a much greater purpose.
 
Re: Re: I Take No Pride In Halle Berry's Oscar Nomination

Originally posted by Suge


This statement is exactly why I will not even pay attention to anything that is said after this point! I get so tired of kneegrows who always have something to say, but have not a clue what they are speaking of. And most of the people who are trying to bash Halle or her role, admit that they haven't even seen the movie. The award is given for her performance...not the subject matter of the movie!

Where were all these haters when the movie was made? Where was all the protesting and hating for what the movie depicted then? Hell I bet if she had not won, non of these kneegrows would have a dayum thing to say about the movie! Some of you need to get off your high horses and shut the hell up!

I mean if you are going to have something negative to say about a role a woman played in a movie.......you could at least see the movie first. Dayum....sometimes I don't know what to say about us.........



What's that saying about Kneegorws and flies......I think it applies here!Q
I can't agree with you more Suge.:eek2: I am so tired of kneegrows holloring about racism. I haven't seen the movie so can't form an opinion one way or another as to whether or not her performance and not the subject matter of the movie was oscar worthy.
Originally posted by J-State Tiger


If you want to see White chicks with black dudes, tune into the NBA on NBC. People complain about that too.

Quit hating on Halle and Denzel. They arent going to be Cliff and Clare Huxtable in every role.

:rolleyes:
Boy yall on point in this post.
Oh and J-State you forgot Julia Styles and ole dude in Save the Last Dance and Ole girl from X-men in Finding Forrestor
 
Originally posted by kci
Well, I definitely agree with the overall point that the author is making...Now, I haven't seen Monster's Ball or Training Day. And I really want to see them both one day. But I have seen Halle portray Dorthory Dandridge and Denzel portray Malcolm X, in those respective movies. And I think those performances should have been recognized.

Not to switch trains of thought from JSU*Toi's post, but do you all and other black people you know <b>really</b> care about the Oscar's? Out of <b>all</b> the movies made since Portier won in 1963, of all different genres, and out of all the memorable characters and roles of blacks in film, you mean to tell me <b>not a single black actor or black actress</b> has won this leading actor award again until now? :confused: That's ludicrous to me. I'd take the NAACP Image Awards over the "Academy" any day...because that's all it is, the "academy" - the old guard of Hollywood that will probably never change.
Well I can beleive this because We as black folks will see "white" movies but will white folks come to our movies... I think not. How many white Folks went to see The Five Heartbeats or Color Purple . I mean really. think about it. If we, black folks, are still the minority then who do you think hollywood is going to try to appeal to. :rolleyes:
 



I would agree the Halle was better in the Dorothy Dandridge film, just as Denzel was brilliant in the Hurricane. But let me throw this out there: How many 'biographies' have produced Oscar winners? Hardly none. The Dorothy Dandridge Story and the Hurricane were basically biographies, and less 'drame and pure-fiction' than other films. And it seems to me that 'pure' dramas, and action films get the Oscars and other awards.

And I believe Halle got the Oscar for her 'portrayal' of the character in Monster's Ball. Her character was very believable, and convincing. And for anybody to criticize her because of the content and context of the film, is crazy to me. Halle's role was very believeable, and through-out the film, I forgot I was watching Halle, and concentrated on her character, which is the 'mark' of a good actor/actress. And Denzel's Alonzo Harris character was equally convincing......
 
I agree Suge, the hate is just too much. While I understand what the writer is trying to say. But that's Hollywood in general. There are plenty of white actors who have portrayed some type of characters that were not the norm. For those who say only the black woman have sex on screen with white men. Didn't Ellen Barkin hop on Laurence Fishburne's bones in "Bad Company". What about Wesley Snipes and Annabella Scirroria in Spike Lee's Jungle Fever. Like I said in another post. Monster's Ball producer is African American(Lee Daniels). So the conspiracy theory is thrown out for this film. He's probably the reason P. Diddy and Mos Def got their part. LOL.

Hollywood will always be racist. Steven Spielberg couldn't get no award for years due to him being Jewish. It's just the way it is. Halle deserved her award. I happy for her. Angela Basset and others have been robbed, no different than some of the other non-black actors have been as well. I can remember "My Left Foot" beating out movies that were better , but the academy was in one of their moods and picked it. I think Jeremy Irons won that year for best actor. I was like WTF. But that's the Academy and Hollywood. So lets not buy into all this being ashamed of the roles they played. There are enough black made movies out there that need to be stopped. Like all these rappers making their versions of what "Hood & Gangsta Life are about". Talk about roles to be ashamed of. If I see another one of those type of movies it will be too soon.
 
This writer sounds a little bitter to me, and he needs a lot of help with his physche.

In order for Blacks to win anything, or gain anything in Hollywood, there has to be a point when our roles are expanded, and not just the same junk that you see us in, year in, and year out.

What did the author want to see her in, another "Love & Basketball", "The Brothers", type movie. I applaud Halle for taking the risk that she took in this movie. Afterall, somebody before her took a risk.

Sure Angela Basset is a great actress, but the movie she got nominated for was "What's Love Got To Do With It" You talk about degrading? Sure it was a biography about Tina Turner, but what's more degrading, a sister falling in love with a racist, or a sister that fell in love with a brother who was a junkie, who beat her brains in at the drop of a dime? Hell, Tina Turner won't even date black men now.

Are those the kind of roles that he would rather America see of Blacks, sisters getting the shat beat out of them by brothers?

Face it people, at some point a role has to be taken, or a movie has to be made, that's out of the norm for us. There can only be so many, "Best Men", "Two Can Play That Game", "How High's", "The Wash", and "Next Friday's" made before somebody does something big.

Personally, I'd love to see more blacks in challenging roles, and as long as movies, as the aforementioned are made, we won't get a stake in Hollywood, at least not a nice sized one.

NICE
 
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Man, Mofos need to stop living vicarioulsly through the movies and media outlets anyway.
After I saw the matrix I was'nt mad that I could'nt dodge bullets. After I saw Blade2 I did'nt go out and buy Silver Bullets for all my guns so I could kill vampires.
After I saw monsters ball I was like yeah whatever, she don't deserve and oscar...but, that was my opinion and no, I did'nt get mad cuz she got spanked from behind.

It was just a dayumm movie, I don't think that there are white boys living in trailer parks that now think they can kick it with Chante Moore as a result of Halle's performance. If there are, then they are in for a rude awakening...I don't think sistas are saying.."That's what I need.... a blue collar redneck with bad credit, receding hairline, and racist ideals."
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Saw the movie didn't like it would not recommend it. I don't believe that the person who originally presented was hating.
 
Originally posted by lastknght
Saw the movie didn't like it would not recommend it. I don't believe that the person who originally presented was hating.
Musta been your article. That crap got HATE written all over it.

Black folk can get so damn self righteous sometimes it sickening.
 
Hey Suge...Burn your calories somewhere else!

You were right on and I co-sign every word...but dayum...the writer began by saying I DID NOT SEE "MONSTER'S BALL"...:rolleyes: That BS didn't deserve your eloquent tirade!

I didn't read another friggin' word! Even my six year old son knows not to express an opinion, which we are all entitled to, unless he has AT LEAST tried the shat!

To borrow an expression from Kenn, GOTT DAYUM!

With its profanely incongruous and utterly implausible scenario, the plot of this film is a sneering, in-your-face taunt to all black men
:rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes:

If he saw it, then he would understand that the relationship between the racist and the Black woman was in fact congruent and plausible! Which, is what made it a PROFOUND movie!
 
Devils Advocate

Originally posted by Seeing Spots

To borrow an expression from Kenn, GOTT DAYUM!

:rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes:

If he saw it, then he would understand that the relationship between the racist and the Black woman was in fact congruent and plausible! Which, is what made it a PROFOUND movie!

I saw the movie and it was in no way Profound to me....

Also you all are hanging this guy for him saying that he didn't see the movie... but you all are not reading the whole article.........................

so what is the difference?????
 
Re: Devils Advocate

Originally posted by JSU*Toi


I saw the movie and it was in no way Profound to me....

Also you all are hanging this guy for him saying that he didn't see the movie... but you all are not reading the whole article.........................

so what is the difference?????

And you and he and ALL of us are entitled to an opinion. Further you are entitled to EXPRESS it. And it makes for interesting fodder when OPINIONS differ. Now there's the rub...and that's when we can discuss matters and finally agree to disagree and have a good time presenting our views to one another. The difference, for me that is and of course this is my opinion and how I roll, I don't care to consider another person's opinion about a movie unless and until they huh actually SEE it. That way the conversation can at least be INTELLIGENT. I guess I am just weird that way.

As I said I found the way they developed the story and the manner in which they got together very profound and plausible and also I think the last 90 seconds of the movie (and not the sex scene) is what won it for Halle. It was during that time that she was a great actor. My friend went with me and he hated it and thought her, Billy Bob, and Puffy gave very flat dull performances. In fact he thought the the guy who played Billy Bob's son was the best acting in the whole movie. We disagreed, but he saw the movie and was happy to engage him in a conversation about it.
 
I still haven't seen the joint, but I wanna know something. Did Billy Bob's character walk up to Halle's character and something like, "hi, I'm the racist that had yo man/daddy/baby daddy/whoever killed?" At which point Halle turned around, dropped her panties and bent over for him to screw her??? Was it that unreal.

These nickas act like a black woman and white man can't get it on. As much unbelievable crap we see on the screen, why is this the sin of all sins???

Like I said, self righteous.
 
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