GSU NCAA Inquiry......


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Jagster said:
...so a media guide is just that, its not an official publication. Anything submitted to the NCAA as an official roster comes from the coach, et al.



Thats the way it appears, but things just don't work like that. An SID has NO ADMINISTRATIVE POWER whatsoever, except for maybe that office. LOL.
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It's the SIDs job to submit the offical stats to the NCAA also. He got that right but some how the game day programs were wrong. So, he obviously had the correct rosters. Carry on...
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
Excuse me, I meant game day program. If you want to call him a scapegoat, go ahead.
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Ahhhhhhhhhh, gameday program. Was the SID was given a non-violating roster but didn't update the one that appeared in the program? Is that an NCAA violation?
 



GRAM4LIFE said:
It's the SIDs job to submit the offical stats to the NCAA also. He got that right but some how the game day programs were wrong. So, he obviously had the correct rosters. Carry on...
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Doing the stats and having the correct rosters are not the same thing. Stats only reflect the people who played.
 
Some of the people who played had the same exact jersey numbers of the people who were in question. Follow me?
 
Ralph said:
Ahhhhhhhhhh, gameday program. Was the SID was given a non-violating roster but didn't update the one that appeared in the program? Is that an NCAA violation?
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Nevermind, I found out the answer. There is no violation for a publication misprint. The only violation would be for a player in violation actually participating with the team.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
Some of the people who played had the same exact jersey numbers of the people who were in question. Follow me?
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So you are thinking this is all about a case of mistaken identity? :confused:
 
It is... It is thought that the players in question played because the game day programs were incorrect and had players in which were ineligible on them. People with the same numbers as the players in question played therefore the mistaken indentity comes into play. None of the players in question played in games.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
Excuse me, I meant game day program. If you want to call him a scapegoat, go ahead.
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Ok, well thats the same thing. The GameDay program is just for fans to know who is or isnt on the field. Its not anything the NCAA uses to determine who is playing in a game. Now, if Grambling knew that said players weren't supposed to be playing and didn't submit their names to the NCAA as the official team roster, but played them anyway and Peter listed them on the roster because they were playing, therein is the problem. Then if someone felt the need to call the NCAA and tell them that said player was playing and had a name in the program then you have a problem, especially if they have stats to prove that they played. Having a name in the program isnt a crime, but if they have stats that prove they played, you broke the rules. Its not Peters fault because Gram was breaking the rules, he just told the truth. Carry on....

GRAM4LIFE said:
It's the SIDs job to submit the offical stats to the NCAA also. He got that right but some how the game day programs were wrong. So, he obviously had the correct rosters. Carry on....
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Yeah, they might submit it, but they don't create and sign it. That comes from the coach and/or the AD. Carry on....next....

GRAM4LIFE said:
It is... It is thought that the players in question played because the game day programs were incorrect and had players in which were ineligible on them. People with the same numbers as the players in question played therefore the mistaken indentity comes into play. None of the players in question played in games.
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Dude, you are kidding right. I don't know an SID in this conferenece that doesn't KNOW who is on the football team. Every school in this crazy ***** conference knows the players on their football teams BY NAME. I see them every week when they come to Southern for basketball and football. You think a high profile transfer won't be seen on the sideline, hell everyone in the department will know these kids. The SID will look them in the face during weekly practices, pre-game warm-ups and in the locker room, come on man, lets try again. I bet that's the same excuse that Gram sent to the NCAA that has them coming down here. Carry on......Next excuse......
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
It is... It is thought that the players in question played because the game day programs were incorrect and had players in which were ineligible on them. People with the same numbers as the players in question played therefore the mistaken indentity comes into play. None of the players in question played in games.
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Sounds simple enough, we'll see how that works out. Another dumb question, are players that are in violation allowed to practice with the team and did they?
 
Ralph,

Interesting!!

Regardless of the media guide issue: 1) What is the NCAA policy regarding transfers practicing for the institution they are trying to transfer too? 2) If this is not an infraction, then the only question is regarding the NCAA verifying whether the individuals in question actually did or did not participate in any GSU games (ineligible players)?

Hopefully it works out for GSU!
 
I just got off the phone with two different coaches who said that until a player is completely cleared by the NCAA he can't practice, workout, or do anything with the team or else it is an NCAA violation. So the question might be was this guy(s) cleared to participate or not, and if he was and then it was revoked, did he continue to participate?

We all might be barking up the wrong tree anyway but it's interesting and makes for good conversation. It definitely has little to do with the SID.
 
Jagster said:
Ok, well thats the same thing. The GameDay program is just for fans to know who is or isnt on the field. Its not anything the NCAA uses to determine who is playing in a game. Now, if Grambling knew that said players weren't supposed to be playing and didn't submit their names to the NCAA as the official team roster, but played them anyway and Peter listed them on the roster because they were playing, therein is the problem. Then if someone felt the need to call the NCAA and tell them that said player was playing and had a name in the program then you have a problem, especially if they have stats to prove that they played. Having a name in the program isnt a crime, but if they have stats that prove they played, you broke the rules. Its not Peters fault because Gram was breaking the rules, he just told the truth. Carry on....



Yeah, they might submit it, but they don't create and sign it. That comes from the coach and/or the AD. Carry on....next....
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None of the ineligible players played one down.
They were still listed in the game day programs.
People with the same numbers in which the ineligible players had in the program played.
Stats were submitted with the correct players who played names on them.
If a person were to look at the program and then see a guy on the field with the same number as a person in the program, they would think it was the person in the program.
This would give the impression that we were playing ineligible players which was not the case.
That is how having the wrong info in a game day program would cause a problem.

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GRAM4LIFE said:
None of the ineligible players played one down.
They were still listed in the game day programs.
People with the same numbers in which the ineligible players had in the program played.
Stats were submitted with the correct players who played names on them.
If a person were to look at the program and then see a guy on the field with the same number as a person in the program, they would think it was the person in the program.
This would give the impression that we were playing ineligible players which was not the case.
That is how having the wrong info in a game day program would cause a problem.

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G4, if the NCAA is raising this stink because of what you say then no problem... someone looked at the gameday program and called the NCAA.
 
Let me help you all here.

The gameday program carries no official weight with anyone. There are mistakes in every gameday program at every university in the country. Doesn't matter.

What does matter is the certification list submitted to the coach by the school's compliance director. The compliance director should be certifying the players prior to every game and providing the coach with an official list. A copy of that list should be forwarded to the conference office and kept with the school's officials records in case of an NCAA inquiry. If that's done and the coach plays a player not on the list, that's a violation. If the compliance officer certifies a player who should be ineligible and that player travels or dresses out, that's a violation.

But there's not much, aside from putting too many color pages in the media guide, that an SID can do to violate NCAA rules.

Furthermore, if this was a case of mistaken identity, where the SID simply listed the wrong player, there would be no need for the university to submit it to the NCAA and there certainly wouldn't be a need for the NCAA to show up for an investigation. A simple phone call explaining the situation would be more -- far more -- than enough. I would suspect that not many universities would even go that far.

There is no one rule that covers all transfers. If you're talking about JUCO transfers, there are these rules. For four-year transfers, there's another set of rule. For prop transfers, there's another set. Just depends on the players. But know this: Nine times out of 10, if they can't play, they can't practice.
 



Ralph said:
G4, if the NCAA is raising this stink because of what you say then no problem... someone looked at the gameday program and called the NCAA.
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Yeah I know... Just wanted to explain why they were called by someone in the first place. Now, what they look for beyond that is unknown to me.
 
No cheating and no violations...just a dominant team that kicked everyone
s azz to sleep. This will blow over and won't have an impact on our recruiting. Some of the other state schools might be hoping for some type of infaction, but ain't gonna hinder us at all. So far we've won 4 of the 6 championships of this decade. Not quite the clean sweep I predicted at the start of the decade, but after we win the next 4 all of this will be forgotten!
 
TheReporter said:
Furthermore, if this was a case of mistaken identity, where the SID simply listed the wrong player, there would be no need for the university to submit it to the NCAA and there certainly wouldn't be a need for the NCAA to show up for an investigation. A simple phone call explaining the situation would be more -- far more -- than enough. I would suspect that not many universities would even go that far.
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Who said the University reported it? lol
 
MikeBigg said:
...This will blow over and won't have an impact on our recruiting...
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Wow! And I read you blaming the SID on AGS too. What's with you man? You feeling okay? The NCAA investigates a school and there will be no impact on recruiting? Come on, this is not a trifling matter. Remind me of other NCAA investigations that ended in nothing with no impact.
 
TheReporter said:
But know this: Nine times out of 10, if they can't play, they can't practice.
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This is the key point. If they are ineligible, they can't participate in team activities. If they did, it's probably a violation.
 
crobin5123 said:
This is the key point. If they are ineligible, they can't participate in team activities. If they did, it's probably a violation.
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.....and *ram knows that's the real issue at hand.
 
if an SID would cause that...don't you think every school in the SWAC would be in violation? better yet, across the NCAA...

how many freshmen have reported to camp and practiced only to be ruled ineligible by the clearinghouse after publications are printed?

I've seen some media guides printed before SWAC media day and anything that early is very inaccurate...
 
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