Drug testing college students.


Bartram

Brand HBCUbian
What with the increased scrutiny on smoking, drinking on college campuses, etc, should all colleges institute drug testing policies just like some professional sports and like some work places?

Take where I work for example. We have random drug tests plus yearly drug screenings. Seems this should be gradually made a part of the college experience. Thoughts?
 



Just thinking back to my college days, I would not say no- but hell no!!!:cool: :D :cool:
BUT NOW I'M SAVED Y'ALL AND LIVING FOR THE LORD.:lmao: :D REALLY,I AM.:)
 
Why the invasion of privacy? At what point are students that are ADULTS supposed to be able to take charge of their bodies and actions? I could see if the drug testing is to get counseling and help, but knowing people....it's just a new tool to get rid of some kid and keep the rumor mill going. Don't think it's such a hot idea at all.
 
Originally posted by chocalate_topaz
Why the invasion of privacy? At what point are students that are ADULTS supposed to be able to take charge of their bodies and actions? I could see if the drug testing is to get counseling and help, but knowing people....it's just a new tool to get rid of some kid and keep the rumor mill going. Don't think it's such a hot idea at all.

Privacy is being increasingly invaded in the work place for all kinds of causes. If college students, especially at state schools or where ever are getting federal funds, why shouldn't they come under the same scrutiny as federal workers increasingly? Plus too,,, it gets college students ready for the real world. It's going to be hard to stop "inhaling" when new hires got to go to a job where they drug test for mj. :idea: Plus too, look how they piling on cigarettes,,, not testing for it,, but my God,,, you gotta be freaking 10 miles from the building at break just to burn one!! what next? they gonna test for smokers? he!!, may as well.
 
Originally posted by Bartram
Student body, faculty and staff,,, da whole nine.

Man, you wouldn't have nobody in college if you did that. :lol:

Maybe college life have changed since I was in school. Back in the day, practically everyone did in. We figured that if you did not "inhale" something was wrong with you. :lol:

Hell, I remember "inhaling" with some of my professors when I was at Bama. :lol: Well, its a long story, but anyway... :lol:
 
Originally posted by TSU/BAMA
Man, you wouldn't have nobody in college if you did that. :lol:

Maybe college life have changed since I was in school. Back in the day, practically everyone did in. We figured that if you did not "inhale" something was wrong with you. :lol:

Hell, I remember "inhaling" with some of my professors when I was at Bama. :lol: Well, its a long story, but anyway... :lol:

That's what I thought about where I work, but somehow we keep a steady pool of people waiting for jobs.

Yeah, when I was at Tuskegee there was this section left of the band. Boy let me tell you; when the wind drifted the right way, there was a constant aroma of weed and brandy/hennessy/crown/etc. I remember looking over there into crowds of blood-shot eyes and smiles. :lmao: especially during homecoming (but he!! it didn't matter). you know how dem first games in Bama in august it'd be bought 98 in the shade under that old tin shed and yellow jackets and honey bees would be honing in on all that alcohol and juice; nothing funnier den to see a high mug get stung by a yellow jacket and/or try to get away from em or fight em off!! :lmao: :lmao:
 
Just because privacy is increasingly being invaded doesn't mean that it is right or that we have to sit by and allow it.:idea:
 
most of your "dean's list scholars" are doing something that they have no buisness. it is a way of college life and it will teach you life lessons like (drinking allllll night, hung over, and must be in your 7:00 biology class for a very important test, you pray to GOD that if he gets you through this, you will never do it again) but you pass the test and do it all over again.

the semester that i participated in the cuttin up of college students, i made 4 a's and 2 b's. that was one of my best semesters.
 
Originally posted by chocalate_topaz
Just because privacy is increasingly being invaded doesn't mean that it is right or that we have to sit by and allow it.:idea:

That's true, but the problem with that is things in America now are selective, like smoking for example. Sooner or later somebody will go after other things like alcohol and drug tests. Sooner or later there will be a "grassroots" group that will use the death of a kid on a college campus to push for a mandate to start drug testing and/or banning college drinking at games, so on and so forth. If you gonna stop one, why not stop em all, including smoking, and put the responsibility back on the individual instead of always trying to write laws to make the world perfect for everybody by instituting all these regulations?

Not to take that too far. Where I work, I have no problem with drug testing because we deal with extremely dangerous technology that could be lethal if someone is impared or depressed or in a bad mood and wanna do something stupid,,, but all the stuff like piling on smokers,,, i mean,, give me a break. (not a smoker by the way.) but if you gonna use all these rules to bash a particular group, one day it will spread.

And generally,,, if we are going to have this "holier than though" attitude about smoking as a society, why not apply it across the board???
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Yes, it has long been known that vices may or may not affect the performance of humans. General Grant of the Union Army in the civil war was basically a drunk by modern day standards, yet he was the only general that could trade blows with and finally defeat Rober E. Lee,,, not to mention all the rif-raff in WWII.
 
Originally posted by Bartram
Sooner or later somebody will go after other things like alcohol and drug tests. Sooner or later there will be a "grassroots" group that will use the death of a kid on a college campus to push for a mandate to start drug testing and/or banning college drinking at games, so on and so forth.



Well the grassroots have plenty of fuel for the fire right here in Baton Rouge. Just a couple of weeks ago a 19 year old kid drank himself to death.

Click here to read story

I can see where you are going Bart, but I don't think it will be happening anytime soon. Way to many liberals on the college campus to allow such an invasion of privacy.
 
Originally posted by cat daddy
I can see where you are going Bart, but I don't think it will be happening anytime soon. Way to many liberals on the college campus to allow such an invasion of privacy.

yeah. just think it is ironic how "invasion of privacy" is so subjective and selective these days. :rolleyes:
 
I hear what you are saying but I still feel that we SHOULD back off and put the responsibilty/blame on the person indulging in the action. I don't think the tobacco settlements were right, 'cause nobody is making anyone smoke. I wouldn't think a return to prohibition would be correct either. AS far as illegal drug usage...the truth is, it depends on the state in which you reside. LIke you said, subjective laws and such.

My bottom line is that I'm not willing to just roll over and accept what the government is trying to do. The citizens should fight this intrusion as much as possible.
 
My response to the issue will have to do with state employees rather than students. The students can be from any segment of society - Joe Citizen. Should all citizens be drug tested? No. That is a privacy issue.

However, most state employees in most states are required to pass a drug test as part of the employment process. Yes, I believe that no one should be grandfathered in such situations. Issue the notice informing them that they will be tested and there will no scheduled date. Very few places in the public sector require ongoing testing unless it is part of a disciplinary action.

For a private school, pick your poison for both students and employees.
 



Everybody in college either drink or smoke so if a drug test came about the drop-out rate will increase dramatically and students will be dropping like flies.
 
Originally posted by chocalate_topaz
I hear what you are saying but I still feel that we SHOULD back off and put the responsibilty/blame on the person indulging in the action. I don't think the tobacco settlements were right, 'cause nobody is making anyone smoke. I wouldn't think a return to prohibition would be correct either. AS far as illegal drug usage...the truth is, it depends on the state in which you reside. LIke you said, subjective laws and such.

My bottom line is that I'm not willing to just roll over and accept what the government is trying to do. The citizens should fight this intrusion as much as possible.

This is one of my side points. There is a double standard. On things like smoking and guns, special interest groups have honed in on them and blast them to smitherines, but drug testing is one in the same, or should be if you go strictly on logic.

It's hard to fight bias in the media and constant re-programing via the media, but yeah.
 
my 11 cents...

First of all, that's gonna cost too much money.

Second, what if they find out that half of the freshmen class is smoking weed, are they gonna kick them outta school? And lose all that money? I don't think so.

As far as the faculty and staff, I don't think that they should do that because as long as they take care of business at the job, it shouldn't matter what they do when they're not on the clock. I'm just a free-spirited person.;)
 
Bartram,

You can't compare what's done by an employer to a school situation. Employers pay employees to perform a task. It's in the employers best interest to ensure sober people are working for them. And they pay their employees to endure drug testing. Students, unless on scholarship, pay the school to attend. While there are rules and regulations to follow, who'd wanna pay thousands of dollars and then have to be subjected to drug testing???

And how much money would the testing cost??? That means they'd increase tuition/costs to pay for the testing of thousands of students yearly.
 
I don't think there's any 'easy' answer to this question. You'll always have a pretty decent argument for both sides of the issue.

My personal opinion is that students have a right to privacy, just as everybody else.... But like in the workplace, if an employer is paying you for 'performance', then they should have a right to 'investigate' any 'conditions' that may affect that performance. And in some instances in college may not be much different. Student athletes are already tested, so why not regular students? I feel that if a student is receiving any type of financial aid, grants, or scholarships, then he too should be subject to be tested. The school, loan company, etc. is (in essence) paying for performance also, and should be entitled to protect their investment......

I'm all for drug testing in school. It only helps produce a better academic 'product' in the long run........I don't think privacy should be alowed to 'win out' in this situation.... Why? Because if you're a dope-head, then you'll be found out eventually, so why go on 'allowing' it (by not testing), just to have them fail drug tests later. Get them treament now, rather than later......


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Can y'all give a reason that would withstand legal scrutiny for having drug testing in colleges??? I haven't read one yet.
 
Originally posted by Robber
Can y'all give a reason that would withstand legal scrutiny for having drug testing in colleges??? I haven't read one yet.

What??? My reasoning wouldn't stand-up legally?????:(


Alright F. Lee Bailey...:D
 
Originally posted by Taylor-Made'90
What??? My reasoning wouldn't stand-up legally?????:(


Alright F. Lee Bailey...:D
The arguments y'all are using can be applied to any aspect of life. Why not test everybody for alcohol and drugs before they drive everyday??? We don't need people driving under the influence do we???

Please stop discounting an individual's right to privacy.
 
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