J-State Tiger
Senate Candidate #7
How did they get it back?
Didnt TSU get the ball first in the first half??
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J S Tiger
That's a good question. I thought the SWAC Commissioner, made it mandatory for all officals to attend some type of training camp. I have said for years, SWAC officals are the most pitiful in college football. I am still wondering how they called two incomplete passes complete for JSU.
unknown
You need to shut your mouth.
That's a good question. I thought the SWAC Commissioner, made it mandatory for all officals to attend some type of training camp. I have said for years, SWAC officals are the most pitiful in college football. I am still wondering how they called two incomplete passes complete for JSU.
unknown
You need to shut your mouth.
dacontinent
Preacher
According to the NCAA rules, the winner of the coin toss has 3 options:
1. Determine which team will kick.
2. Determne which goal to defend.
3. Defer choice to 2nd half.
I only got to see the last 2 minutes of the game (when the winning kick came), so let's say TSU won the toss and decided to take the ball. JSU then defaults to defending the goal of its choice. Then, for the second half, JSU can again opt to defend a particular goal. TSU could then decide to receive the ball for the start of the second half. All perfectly proper on behalf of the officials and the coaches.
As for the officiating during the rest of the game, I can make no comment since I did not see it.
dacontinent
I am guessing and only guessing. The radio said TSU won the toss and BET said JSU won the toss.
The radio announcers, then mentioned about JSU choosing to defend the end zone with the wind. The Liberty Bowl is enclosed.
Hell I am confused - I do not know what happen
BET has do do better - Mc Phearson and his side kick are the pits. I do not know why McPhearson, called TSU - TCU and SMU on several occasions. Then he said SMU has the ball, when JSU had the ball.
I am guessing and only guessing. The radio said TSU won the toss and BET said JSU won the toss.
The radio announcers, then mentioned about JSU choosing to defend the end zone with the wind. The Liberty Bowl is enclosed.
Hell I am confused - I do not know what happen
BET has do do better - Mc Phearson and his side kick are the pits. I do not know why McPhearson, called TSU - TCU and SMU on several occasions. Then he said SMU has the ball, when JSU had the ball.
Blue Bengal
Active Member
The Commercial Appeal reports TSU won the toss and elected to defer to the 2nd half. Our stupid arse coaches decided to kick them the ball to them first half, so that means they get the ball first twice. Lord knows I have no idea what those idiots are thinking.
You can not defer both, you can only defer your choice 1 time. If you win the coin toss, you get to choose to kick or defend on the first possession. It is automatic that if do the opposite for the opening of the 2nd half, you can't defer that one also. It is the responsibility of the officials to make sure that the correct team kicks off in the 2nd half. I would also put blame on the coaches that didn't catch this.
Fiyah I didnt see the game but if I am reading correctly what everyone is saying - especially Blue Bengal - TSU won and defered - JSU made the decision to kick off to start the game...to open the second half the officials went to TSU to see what they wanted to do to start the half since they deferred their decision to now - they then decided to get the ball -thus forcing JSU to kick off to them again.
With all of that said - SWAC officials are the worstest. At the Bama St/TxSU game I dont know what they were seeing but there were some "WTF" calls made.
With all of that said - SWAC officials are the worstest. At the Bama St/TxSU game I dont know what they were seeing but there were some "WTF" calls made.
BIGCAT3000
New Member
BB
I'm glad you said it first because that's exactly what I was about to say. If you defer then the team that losses the toss gets to choose. If they chose to kick then the deferring team can chose to take the ball in the 2nd half.
I'm glad you said it first because that's exactly what I was about to say. If you defer then the team that losses the toss gets to choose. If they chose to kick then the deferring team can chose to take the ball in the 2nd half.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
The officiating was right.
The JSU coaches were
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The JSU coaches were
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J-State Tiger
Senate Candidate #7
Ok i'll just add this to my hughes buffonery list.
majiksity
That is so true and the sad part is the officials love certain teams and hate others. I just do not understand how the commissioner allow these clown to continue officiating. I would think after each game the front office would review each game and evaluate each official?s performance.
BB
Thanks for clearing that up.
That is so true and the sad part is the officials love certain teams and hate others. I just do not understand how the commissioner allow these clown to continue officiating. I would think after each game the front office would review each game and evaluate each official?s performance.
BB
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Sonic98
Guest
The announcer called it wrong both times. First half he called us as receving but we kicked, same thing in 2nd half. I was wondering how they got the ball first 2 times myself. I knew I wasn't crazy
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Sonic98
Guest
Not to mention missing the late hit. Someone in the band was all over his ass for calling that one, he mentioned calling the police til he realized we brought our own plus had some escorts from Shelby County. He looked so sad when we realized someone black was talking to him like that and got away with it.
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Sonic98
Guest
It should be like the NFL. IF you kick first, you get it in 2nd half with no decision.
dacontinent
Preacher
Strategy
Not kicking off to start a half is a perfectly normal strategy. If you think that you can gain more momentum by having your defense take the field rather than your offense, then you ought to do it.
If the tosses and the decisions fall right, it is conceivable that a team could go the entire season without receiving a kick to start a half IN NCAA FOOTBALL.
With that said, it is certainly not a common practice.
Not kicking off to start a half is a perfectly normal strategy. If you think that you can gain more momentum by having your defense take the field rather than your offense, then you ought to do it.
If the tosses and the decisions fall right, it is conceivable that a team could go the entire season without receiving a kick to start a half IN NCAA FOOTBALL.
With that said, it is certainly not a common practice.
Hey Que
Well-Known Member
As bad as I would like to blame the coach it appears as though it was not the coach this time. I saw the coaches getting all over the players when they found out what happened. It looks like they need to practice the coin toss this week.
The officials call on what looked like a late hit was a good call. The JSU players feet were still in bounds when the TSU player hit him. It looked like a bad call because he was falling out of bounds when he was hit.
TP, I know you have connections in the SWAC front office. Seriously, I would like to know do the SWAC Commissioner or University Presidents require the officials to attend some type of formal training during off season, in order to stay abreast on rule changes? Also, if they have several complaints filed against them. Are they suspended for a period of time?
According to a co-worker and retired OVC / SEC official, they are required to attend some type of NCAA sponsored training annually. I know last season against SEMO there were three officials continued to penalize TSU in order to allow SEMO to score and possibly win the game. One of their own crewmen approached them during and after the game and told them that they were not calling the game correctly and he was going to report them to the commissioner. He did, they were suspended and will not officiate any games that involve TSU.
I hate to see ?so called? professionals make stupid call and dictate the out come of the game.
According to a co-worker and retired OVC / SEC official, they are required to attend some type of NCAA sponsored training annually. I know last season against SEMO there were three officials continued to penalize TSU in order to allow SEMO to score and possibly win the game. One of their own crewmen approached them during and after the game and told them that they were not calling the game correctly and he was going to report them to the commissioner. He did, they were suspended and will not officiate any games that involve TSU.
I hate to see ?so called? professionals make stupid call and dictate the out come of the game.
Robber
Consigliere
H,
You can complain until you are "BIG" blue in the face, but the ref situation ain't changing. Each week the coaches submit a report on how the refs were, and Hughes says he flunks them nearly every week. But nothing changes. The SWAC backs those idiots on everything. I be so glad when OVC officials do the games.
Hey Que,
We haven't won a coin toss all year. The first two games USM and A&T deferred. We received. Why the same 4 captains didn't elect to receive after TSU deferred is beyond me. You'd think they'd know the routine after the first two games, let alone playing a few years.
You can complain until you are "BIG" blue in the face, but the ref situation ain't changing. Each week the coaches submit a report on how the refs were, and Hughes says he flunks them nearly every week. But nothing changes. The SWAC backs those idiots on everything. I be so glad when OVC officials do the games.
Hey Que,
We haven't won a coin toss all year. The first two games USM and A&T deferred. We received. Why the same 4 captains didn't elect to receive after TSU deferred is beyond me. You'd think they'd know the routine after the first two games, let alone playing a few years.
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Sonic98
Guest
Re: Strategy
IT's good strategy in the first half. I think teams that kick first either expect the game to be close(not trusting defense) and think they must have the ball first in the 2nd half (thinking they might need to be first to score) or they want thier defense to take control early in the game. I see no reason to kick it in the 2nd half. You'd just scored to end the half, you have a high-powered offense. Why not get the ball and try to put more points on them to start the half? Its the Hughes effect. Plus its not like the JSU kicking game was holding them to bad starting field position. IF you have good defense coupled with great special teams, then I can maybe see kicking in the 2nd half. Maybe
IT's good strategy in the first half. I think teams that kick first either expect the game to be close(not trusting defense) and think they must have the ball first in the 2nd half (thinking they might need to be first to score) or they want thier defense to take control early in the game. I see no reason to kick it in the 2nd half. You'd just scored to end the half, you have a high-powered offense. Why not get the ball and try to put more points on them to start the half? Its the Hughes effect. Plus its not like the JSU kicking game was holding them to bad starting field position. IF you have good defense coupled with great special teams, then I can maybe see kicking in the 2nd half. Maybe
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Sonic98
Guest
Re: Re: Didnt TSU get the ball first in the first half??
I think you need to look at that again. I was down on the field. HE was at the dotted line when he was hit. The cheerleaders are a nice distance off the field. HE may have been in bounds when he got close, but he was out when the hit was made.
I think you need to look at that again. I was down on the field. HE was at the dotted line when he was hit. The cheerleaders are a nice distance off the field. HE may have been in bounds when he got close, but he was out when the hit was made.