staggalee83
War & Thunder
Dr. Sweet NUPE said:
Too scared to branch out and think for themselves.
Too scared someone is going to label them if they take a different view from the "same, dated, never worked before crap" on different issues. :nod2:
Democrats What If....
- Thread starter Dr. Sweet NUPE
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Too scared to branch out and think for themselves.
Too scared someone is going to label them if they take a different view from the "same, dated, never worked before crap" on different issues. :nod2:
JSU*Toi
New Member
This is a very funny conversation, I won?t express my opinion for a couple of reasons, but this is a very still very very funny.
But I will say one thing Makaho sweetie remember you LEFT the party years ago so you can?t CURRENTLY speak to what we are or not doing. And please do not use your ?knowledge? of Mississippi politics as your measuring stick.
Smooches :kiss:
But I will say one thing Makaho sweetie remember you LEFT the party years ago so you can?t CURRENTLY speak to what we are or not doing. And please do not use your ?knowledge? of Mississippi politics as your measuring stick.
Smooches :kiss:
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staggalee83 said:
That's positively foolish (as so many of your previous posts have been!) :retard:
No one is chiding anyone about being an independent. I don't have a damned thing against a 3-party system, and certainly nothing against independents.
What I am amazed at (and STILL don't have a problem with,) is those who continue to rank the farce that has been the last two elections like football games (as JSU99 aluded to,) and then have mindless folks post garbage about excuses, while this nation continues to go to hell in a handbasket. That comment about being blinded by the right wasn't being directed at you alone. There is a whole lotta folks in the U.S. of A. that this administration has made fools of. The only big ones are the one who continue to excuse his follies, while their only care is that their party won. While that might be true, this country sure as hell lost...and is losing more and more with each rising of the sun!
Independent, democrat, whomever...It will take a combination of the two of them, and the Green Party combined to clean up the muck and mire that the current administration has put this nation in! You bark about being an independent, but anytime someone is critical of this farce of an administration, you jump to its defense like some lemming being led off the side of a cliff. I personally don't care what your political leanings are. As a citizen of this country, you can vote for whomever in hell you want. What I do take issue with is how you can criticize others for supporting whatever party they wish. Your decision isn't the end all to be all...and being an idependent isn't going to get you a hell of alot one way or the other!
While this nation is in great need of another party, that other party won't have any impact in this upcoming election. So if you want to talk about who's taking an ass-kickin....the independents are taking a much worse one than democrats...and will continue to have theirs kicked!
staggalee83
War & Thunder
AAMU Alum said:
Thank you............................just proves my point about what you READ and what you "HEAR".:emlaugh:
(Jumping to this ADMINISTRATION's defense.................:bawling: )
It also proves my point about when people don't agree with YOU...................."MINDLESS POSTERS". :emlaugh:
Continue with your usual :upset: :upset: :argue2: :argue2: :splat: :splat: :argue: :argue: :whine: :kaioken: :kaioken: :kaioken: and brimstone tirades.:lmao:
Makaho 2.0
++ Digital Assassin ++
JSU*Toi said:
Woman, you know I love you like a play-cousin.lol
But believe me, I know more about the inner workings of the Democratic party than even you do.
One of these days I will have a heart to heart to you in that regard. But let it be known for the record I have always been in support of a multi-party system. 2 parties shuffling for votes is not in anybodie's interest ultimately. I am a CAPATILIST first and foremost, and I have WAAAAAAY more knowledge of politics beyond the "Mississippi" level.
I still love you like a play-cousin though!!
Killer Bees
Well-Known Member
I also take a more Independant stance.
I think the Democratic party may have a chance at winning ONLY because the people are growing tired of Bush. At this time, he is the face of the Republican Party and some people don't won't to take a chance on another four years of a Republican like Bush. Bush has moved away from traditional Republican principles.
The problem with the Democratic Party is the fact they have not brought any new ideals to the table. Even with all of Bush's faults, this man has took a stance against fanatical Islam, tried to offer us a CHOICE to put 4% of your social security money into your own private account that the government can't touch, and reform taxes. The main thing I hear coming from the Democratic side is raising the minimum wage. The minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. Only 2.8% of all working adults over 30 work minimum wage salaries. The majority of people making minimum wage are teenagers. The government forcing private businesses to raise their minimum wage will only cause businesses to fire employees or/and hire less. Another issue they keep bring up is socialized health care for all. Canada has socialized healthcare. They also have looooong waiting list. Then you have this ideal of raising taxes on the rich. Raising taxes on the rich will not benefit me one way or the other. If anything, it will make things worst because most of the rich are business owners. They will only raise the price of their products or services to pass the cost to the end user. I know Democrats want something else, but I can't think of it right now. If the Democratic Party want to win, they are going to have to concentrate their efforts on REAL issues instead of the constant Bush bashing.
I think the Democratic party may have a chance at winning ONLY because the people are growing tired of Bush. At this time, he is the face of the Republican Party and some people don't won't to take a chance on another four years of a Republican like Bush. Bush has moved away from traditional Republican principles.
The problem with the Democratic Party is the fact they have not brought any new ideals to the table. Even with all of Bush's faults, this man has took a stance against fanatical Islam, tried to offer us a CHOICE to put 4% of your social security money into your own private account that the government can't touch, and reform taxes. The main thing I hear coming from the Democratic side is raising the minimum wage. The minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. Only 2.8% of all working adults over 30 work minimum wage salaries. The majority of people making minimum wage are teenagers. The government forcing private businesses to raise their minimum wage will only cause businesses to fire employees or/and hire less. Another issue they keep bring up is socialized health care for all. Canada has socialized healthcare. They also have looooong waiting list. Then you have this ideal of raising taxes on the rich. Raising taxes on the rich will not benefit me one way or the other. If anything, it will make things worst because most of the rich are business owners. They will only raise the price of their products or services to pass the cost to the end user. I know Democrats want something else, but I can't think of it right now. If the Democratic Party want to win, they are going to have to concentrate their efforts on REAL issues instead of the constant Bush bashing.
staggalee83
War & Thunder
Killer Bees said:
Great post:tup: :tup: ...........................but the last part will fall on deaf ears.:nod2:
Too many democrats agree with Bush on a lot of issues like the tax cuts for the rich, CAFTA, and the Iraq war resolution. Hillary, Lieberman, and John Kerry were not the only democrats for voted for that resolution.
Frankly, the dems need to quit being republican lite, like the DLC. If I was a republican voter, I would not see any need to vote for a DLC candidate. I would rather vote for a real republican than a fake one.
Frankly, the dems need to quit being republican lite, like the DLC. If I was a republican voter, I would not see any need to vote for a DLC candidate. I would rather vote for a real republican than a fake one.
J C
Well-Known Member
Killer Bees said:
KB your comments do not reflect an independent view. It's sounds like something from the republican platform. There's nothing wrong with you taking those positions but it does not represent the traditional democrat's viewpoint and it's definitely not independent. Personally I don't believe there are any true independents today. The country is so polarized and almost equally split between republicans and democrats. Recent elections have been decided by whoever can mobilize their base and the creation of safe congressional districts. I can just about figure out how a person will vote and have voted by their position on certain issues. Everyone who is political atute leans one way or another. Now some people have no political compass which is very sad. I take Emory Folmar's position that there are only three things in the middle of the road, "two lines and a dead possum".
Gore is the only democrat who's in a position to speak freely and honestly about the state of politics in America today. He has stated he will never run for elected office again. Hillary, Warner, Bayh, Kerry, McClain, Frist, Barbour, and others don't have that liberty. They have to sell their souls to have a chance to win their next political contest.
As a proud democrat and liberal, I rather stand on principles than win elections. I care more about my country than to support policies that will motivate the masses. History has proven that the masses can be wrong.
JSU*Toi
New Member
Makaho 2.0 said:Woman, you know I love you like a play-cousin.lol
But believe me, I know more about the inner workings of the Democratic party than even you do.
One of these days I will have a heart to heart to you in that regard. But let it be known for the record I have always been in support of a multi-party system. 2 parties shuffling for votes is not in anybodie's interest ultimately. I am a CAPATILIST first and foremost, and I have WAAAAAAY more knowledge of politics beyond the "Mississippi" level.
I still love you like a play-cousin though!!
Spoken just like a man :bump: Next time we have a meeting of the who's who, I will make sure I add your name to the list, so you can "school" us folk here in DC who are just playing politics. :kiss:
Normal1875
A&M #1
i honestly think if Bush could run for another 4 years he would win the presidential election. :shame: ..ohh well!
Killer Bees
Well-Known Member
TRU3000 said:
I doubt it. Even Republicans are growing tired of Bush.
major095
ASU4real
the dems problems run deep. mainly they don't reflect the values of the people they need to win an election. I am a social conservative, more so than most republicans I'd guess. I am not a fan of abortion and do not want gay marriage. It would be easy for the dems to say no to gay marriage but they refuse to. they could have taken several southern states had kerry stepped up on that. they could reframe the abortion debate and gain some ground there. I am pro-choice, but I believe that men/women make that choice when they choice to engage in sex. U choose to deal with the responsibilities that come with sex. You can't be the party of the social rejects and try to win what is basically a popularity contest. As much as popular media would like you to believe it, most of us are not for abortion and most don't want brokeback mountain next door or on their tv or even in their community. Most are not affluent either so dem money policies make sense to most of america. Like Gephart said during the primaries, "to live like a republican you've got to vote for a democrat."
they've got to get the point that socially they are way out to the left and they've got to get back to the center. clinton was an oddity. He had "it" more than any politician I've seen in my 33 years. He was a rockstar. Maybe it was that he indeed was a regualar guy. He'd been poor before so he could relate to the people. The last " regular guy" dem b/f Bill was Carter, a social conservative. will they learn?
they've got to get the point that socially they are way out to the left and they've got to get back to the center. clinton was an oddity. He had "it" more than any politician I've seen in my 33 years. He was a rockstar. Maybe it was that he indeed was a regualar guy. He'd been poor before so he could relate to the people. The last " regular guy" dem b/f Bill was Carter, a social conservative. will they learn?
JSU*Toi
New Member
major095 said:
My question to all that is?How does what a woman does with her body, or what two people do in their bedroom affect your life?
Those two issues don?t affect the price of gas, education, health care, unemployment or any other issues that the avg American is facing.
Makaho 2.0
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JSU*Toi said:
I think if a man is "man" enough to get a woman pregnant, then he should be "man" enough to financially support and provide for that child.
With that said, I think the same man that was instrumental in getting that same woman pregnant should have equal share in determining the "fate" of that child.
When you become able to become pregnant without the use of a sperm cell from a "man" then I guess it will not matter.
I am simply stating that the burden of termination of life should not be left up completely to the woman. The man should also bear the burden as well. If you want to absolve a man from bearing said burden, then don't run him down for child support when you excluded him from the "burden" in the first place.
Again, it should not be completely left up to the woman....that man should be involved in the decision making process as well.
You Dems constantaly make the same arguements revolving around matters of convience.
Those matters do effect employment...look hard enough, you'll see them.
But then again, the Dems have all the answers....which is why they are running (sarcasm) isht now. lol
Killer Bees
Well-Known Member
JSU*Toi said:
Basically, some feel that abortion = murder. It is an issue I still haven't completely formulated an opinion on totally. I am against late term-abortion.
What two people do in their bedroom has no affect on my life. Some just feel that redefining the definition of marriage is wrong.
major095
ASU4real
JSU*Toi said:
Basically I believe that government has the responsibility to set some moral limits to protect society. Laws that make murder illegal for example, have an obvious biblical basis (thou shall not kill) and are meant to protect society from itself.
Marriage, as I'm sure you know, is not behind closed doors. I normally wear my wedding band wherever I go so the entire world knows that I am married. so if 2 men or women can marry, why can't 2 women marry 1 man? or a man and his dog get hitched? heck, a teacher and her 14 y/o student? since we're trying to say that there is no moral law, that nothing is wrong and everything is ok, everybody get their freak on.
As for abortion, the argument that life doesn't begin until birth is bunko and those that say that know it. when lacey peterson was murdered they all wanted to charge her husband with murder of the unborn child. purquoi? b/c though they want to protect reproductive rights for woman they really do understand that abortion is nothing short of killing a living being. sidenote: I do agree with the previous gent that is it indeed not right that a father has no rights in the life of an unborn child, but is held accountable (which is right) when the mother decides to let the child live.
Like I said, I'm prochoice, but abortion is not "the choice", it is an attempt to absolve oneself of responsibility for the initial choice that was made. (michael collier joke) I believe everyone is having sex, or knows someone that is. If you are then u've made a choice to accept whatever consequences you may encounter as a result of your choice. be that a baby, HIV, if ur married and it's not ur spouse......divorce, a whipping from ur spouse, allomoney...whatever. u made the choice and have got to live with it. abortion is an attempt to get ur jr bush on and circumvent the law, i mean the consequences of your actions.
so there u go. it affects my life b/c it affects society overall. one tells people that they don't have to bear responsibility for the choices they make and as a bonus it is killing someone. the 2nd tries to redefine the basic socal structure of our society, efforts to move the line on what the social norm is and certainly violates Gods laws.
Makaho 2.0
++ Digital Assassin ++
Toi, the government regulates how much taxes you pay to the doctors office for any medical process....including abortion.
Hence, everything is intertwined.
Hence, everything is intertwined.
staggalee83
War & Thunder
I know it will fall on deaf ears again, but another sign that people are tired of FAR LEFT LIBERAL policies is north of the U.S.
One of the most liberal places on Earth, CANADA, kick the ruling LIBERAL party out after 12 years and elected a Conservative government yesterday that is expected to be aligned more with the U.S. Government. :xeye:
I wonder where people will say they are moving to now?:look:
One of the most liberal places on Earth, CANADA, kick the ruling LIBERAL party out after 12 years and elected a Conservative government yesterday that is expected to be aligned more with the U.S. Government. :xeye:
I wonder where people will say they are moving to now?:look:
Makaho 2.0
++ Digital Assassin ++
J C said:
JC, when you get your paycheck, you pay taxes....
When you put gas in your car, bought your car, and paid for your food clothing and shelter, you were "taxed on top of taxed".
The government has always done that, be it a Dem or Rep at the helm. I feel that the more redunduncy we cut out of govt. saves us money.
You have some agencies, especially at the municipal level that creates reduncency, hence costs us more money.
The point I was conveying to Toi was that if you make the arguement that "it's my body and my decision", keep in mind that you don't make the same arguement with child support.
If you say that men have no say so with abortion, then by the same tangent you have no say so in him supporting the alternative.
But as I stated before, Liberals always argue on the side of Convience.
Makaho 2.0
++ Digital Assassin ++
staggalee83 said:
Exactly, they have grown weary of the "Wolf Tickets" and "Perfect World" crap they have been selling for years. I have a friend that lives in Toronto, she makes about 50 thousand dollars a year and only takes home about half of that. The line they try to sell her is that "you can walk into any hospital and get free health care". She aint been sick in years yet has to tote the doal. Her arguement is that she want's to have the option of being more capitalist than socialist.
There is a reason why Hollywood is Liberal.....They don't live in the real world.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
Mak,
You're misstating the "Democratic" argument regarding abortion. I've yet to see where the argument has broken down, based on gender. And that holds true for Republican position too. If not, then what you're saying is that Republicans believe that a man has a right to choose, whereas Democrats believe that only a woman has a right to choose.
Basically, what you're arguing is what just about anybody would agree with. (Democrat, Republican, Independent or Liberal or Conservative)
You're misstating the "Democratic" argument regarding abortion. I've yet to see where the argument has broken down, based on gender. And that holds true for Republican position too. If not, then what you're saying is that Republicans believe that a man has a right to choose, whereas Democrats believe that only a woman has a right to choose.
Basically, what you're arguing is what just about anybody would agree with. (Democrat, Republican, Independent or Liberal or Conservative)