Declare War on Afganistan?

[J-State Tiger]

A lot of people are talking about going to war with afganistan over this busness. If they are found to be responsible or found to be harboring the responsible parties, would you support a Declaration of war?

 

[J-State Tiger]

Well its a new day, and im still mad as hell. At least Colin Powell offered some comforting words about us going to get the sons uh beeotches. All I know is that somebody somewhere is going to catch pure hell.

 

[J-State Tiger]

NBC showed a poll a while ago saying that 92% support tracking down those responsible even if it means war.

 

[Kay Bee]

The thing about declaring war in this case is that it would not be logical to declare war on a whole nation when terrorist groups are just members of that nation and not actual polititians in office. Now if this is something that was done by another country's military, I would say Congress should declare war. Now when they find out the terrorist group that is involved in this they should send the SEALS to take them boys out....STEALTH STYLE.

 

[MACKG]

BLOW EM THE F UP

I say blow em up. I don't give 2 f's about the innocent getting caught up. That is called "WAR" That is what they brought to us. We have well over 20,000 AMERICANS killed!!! Blow em up. And close the flood gates and stop letting those musty bastards over here in the first place!!!

BOSTON (Reuters) - Investigators in Boston found a copy of the Koran, a
videotape on how to fly commercial jets and a fuel consumption calculator in
a pair of bags meant for American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the
World Trade Center on Tuesday, the Boston Globe reported on Wednesday.
The paper said the suitcases belonged to a man with an Arabic name who
investigators believe was one of those who hijacked the plane and crashed it
into the New York landmark.
The man boarded Flight 11 after flying into Boston's Logan International
airport from Portland, Maine, but his bags missed the connection, the Globe
reported.
The discovery, if verified, would be the latest bit of evidence pointing
investigators toward Islamic extremists as the perpetrators of Tuesday's
deadly attacks in New York and Washington, the worst in memory on U.S. soil.

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[EPMD]

<font color=navy>we don't even have to do that much. We have to be careful how we do things so we don't end up causing WW3. We need to go after the perpetrators and if its found that they are in Afganistan we should go there if necessary. But we have to do it right. Under current law, the President cannot wage a campaign against an individual foreign national and we do not, and may not ever get, a just cause to declare war on any one nation in particular. But we can do this in a scenario where, for example, we have proof that Bin Laden's organization is responsible is found to be hidden in Afganistan:

1. Demand the Afgani govt turn over these people immediately and give short deadline for it.

2. If they refuse we move to round two and say, "If you don't turn them over we'll come and get them".

3. If they try to stop us take any and all action to put that down, not excluding the option of full scale war.

Or

1. The President could strike while the iron is hot, starting today, in moving to remove the excutive order barring military asassinations of foreign nationals. I don't think any congressman would be so bold as to publicly object to that one right about now. The president should use the momentum of national resentment as a political blank check to strike back at the heart of these organizations. We have trained people and technology that can take these people out if we remove the legal barrier.

Of course, some legal safeguard would need to be created to keep this power from being abused.

-ep

 

[MACKG]

1. Demand the Afgani govt turn over these people immediately and give short deadline for it.

What if all of those involved committed suicide yesterday while crashing the planes. What if they were just some renegades? Then what?

Also, we need to make a statement. All of those people that are over here illegally need to be gathered up, placed into a big C130, and send their asses back ASAP!!!

More needs to be done on foreign policy and Immigration control.

But I fault the USA for not attending those meetings on Race Relations a few days ago. We need to do our part too. And we need to stop sticking our nose in everyone else's business and take care of home first!!!

 

[EPMD]

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What if all of those involved committed suicide yesterday while crashing the planes. What if they were just some renegades? Then what?

I don't think this kind of thing could have been pulled off without help. The leaders of these organization dont go down with the plane. These suicide missions are orchestrated by people who are still out there. That's who we should go after. You don't see Bin Laden driving a car-bomb do you?

-ep

 

[J-State Tiger]

Well the powers that be have been saying that those countries tha harbor those responsible, will be held accountable. Colin Powell had said we must respond as if this is a war. If president Bush goes to the congress and asks for a declaration of War against afganistan, hes going to get one.

 

[Normal1875]

we shouldnt be so quick to declare war on anybody.......hell we still dont know who did it yet!

 

[EB]

Originally posted by TRU3000
we shouldnt be so quick to declare war on anybody.......hell we still dont know who did it yet!

I agree. Or if folks know who did it, they are not coming out and saying it.

 

[sigma4life]

It's time to get crunk :redhot:
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[Ntelekt]

Originally posted by EB


I agree. Or if folks know who did it, they are not coming out and saying it.

Exactly!

I'm sure "we" already know who did it, where they are, and have already started to handle some bizness!

It's just that we (the public) aren't gonna be told anything until waaaay after the fact. We may have been caught slippin' in our OWN security, but we don't have the world's best secret forces for nothing....

 

[PAPAJAG]

We can carpet bomb a Middle East country, or assassinate who ever responsible for this act of terrorism. It is not going to stop future acts of terrorism on our soil. War is not the answer. Our Middle East Policies is morally bankrupted and need to change.

[url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html[/url]

by John Miller, PBS Frontline
?I asked bin Laden if he was worried about being captured in an American raid, he quickly dismissed the possibility, turning instead to the reasons he hates the United States.

"The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists--those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children.

"We are sure of our victory against the Americans and the Jews as promised by the Prophet: Judgment day shall not come until the Muslim fights the Jew, where the Jew will hide behind trees and stones, and the tree and the stone will speak and say, 'Muslim, behind me is a Jew. Come and kill him.'"

Bin Laden never raises his voice, and to listen to his untranslated answers, one could imagine that he was talking about something that did not much concern him. Nonchalant. He does not smile. He continued, looking down at his hands as if he were reading invisible notes.

"Your situation with Muslims in Palestine is shameful--if there is any shame left in America. Houses were demolished over the heads of children. Also, by the testimony of relief workers in Iraq, the American-led sanctions resulted in the death of more than one million Iraqi children. All of this is done in the name of American interests. We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not worry about American opinion or the fact that they place prices on our heads. We as Muslims believe our fate is set."

 

[J-State Tiger]

So PJ you are saying we should do nothing? just change our policy?

 

[PAPAJAG]

Bin Laden and the majority of the Arab population believes the U.S. to be the oppressor that occupying Arab lands in the Middle East. Bin Laden is opposed American military present in Saudi Arabia. He understands our presents there is for one reason to control the oil resources in the Middle East. Why listen to reasonable Arabs? This is a fellow Saudi dissident, Dr. Saad AL-Fagih suggested in a interveiw.

So what you're saying is that even if the FBI and CIA were extremely efficient and rounded up the individuals who did the bombing in Nairobi, there will be no end to this problem until the underlying issues are dealt with?

Exactly. No end at all. The only solution to the bin Laden problem for the Americans is to understand it as phenomena. Not as a single terrorist who is staying there, sending one or two of his followers to have an explosion here or to have a bomb there. They have to understand the problem as phenomena. And they have to deal with its grass roots. They cannot deal with the problem of Muslims versus America. But they can at least reduce the huge resentment in Saudi Arabia by reducing the tension against him by moving the military presence from Arabia. And also by pressing the regime to be more open, have more [power] sharing, more freedom of expression and more freedom of assembly in Saudi Arabia. And they have to prove to the people [that it is their effort] which forced the Saudi regime to be more friendly to [its nation]. Otherwise they will lose the battle I believe. ...

The only answer then is to back real reform in Saudi Arabia?
That is the biggest hope. But people probably would accept much less. Would accept at least to remove their forces and just stop backing the regime in Saudi Arabia. ...

 

[EB]

Originally posted by PAPAJAG
We can carpet bomb a Middle East country, or assassinate who ever responsible for this act of terrorism. It is not going to stop future acts of terrorism on our soil. War is not the answer. Our Middle East Policies is morally bankrupted and need to change.

This is true. Our policy in the Middle East, Africa and Latin America is mystifying. We proclaim freedom. But we do not do enough to support the little people in Latin America (Black and ingenious) and Africa. Bush’s Middle East policy or the lack thereof is does not make sense.

Understand that these extremists will stop at nothing to get us. They are not afraid of American missiles, aircraft, warships, guns or anything that represents U.S. military might. What happened in New York City and the Pentagon shows that these folks are not afraid and will fight to the death. Their hatred of us probably surpasses African-American’s hatred of the apartheid regime in South Africa.

Originally posted by PAPAJAG
Bin Laden and the majority of the Arab population believes the U.S. to be the oppressor that occupying Arab lands in the Middle East. Bin Laden is opposed American military present in Saudi Arabia. He understands our presents there is for one reason to control the oil resources in the Middle East. Why listen to reasonable Arabs? This is a fellow Saudi dissident, Dr. Saad AL-Fagih suggested in a interveiw.

This is very well said.