Congressional shame

[bluedog]

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[coldsweat]

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Just like conservatives got Van Jones to resign, we need to man up and hit the airwaves to get Joe Wilson to step down! :nod:

 

[southsuburbs]

The thing about it is there is no perfect system, we don't live in a f@cking utophia where there's no chance that anything may go wrong.

The truth of the matter is we pay for uninsured patients as we speak, legal or illegal, but the oppositions base is so stupid they will rather deal with a lie then hear the truth because they are just that stupid that they don't get it.

This plan gives us the opportunity to get some of the burden off of our backs. First they didn't want to be tax to help pay for other peoples insurance, now it's they don't want to pay for illegals....just work the f@uk outta them for slave wages.

When I went to Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s town hall meeting here a guy that's on the Board of the Roseland Community Hospital spoke. Roseland Community Hospital is one of the smaller hospitals in Cook County, and poorer hospitals. He basically said that folks are quick to ask where are we going to get the money to pay for all these people to get insurance, the public option, etc. He stated that Roseland doesn't have a lot of money, and it doesn't, but last year alone the hospital covered $23 MILLION dollars worth of uninsured patients. THat money wasn't in their budget but it got covered so why not just do it up front vs. on the end.

It's funny peopel forget that we area already covering the uninsured when they go to the hospital.

Example:
on the CNN special a couple of months ago it talked about a Black man that's a preacher somewhere in the south. He said he started feeling a tingling sensation in his hand so he went to the free clinic. He had recently lost his job/benefits. So the free clinic kept sending him home, telling him nothings wrong. But he knew that wasn't right and kept going back. SAme thing...they sent him home. Finally...a doctor overheard him talking about his situation and told him to come to his office. THe doctor ran ONE simple blood sugar test...the man had diabetes and is now doing better. But b/c he didn't have insurance the clinics wouldn't even run a simple blood sugar test.

How does that make sense? Let's say he never found out he had diabetes and kept getting turned around. Eventually those same clinics/hospitals would have had to treat him when he came in with much worse symptoms, such as his hand having to get cut off. Which I'm sure that procedure and all the follow-up/therapy is WAAAAAYYYY more expensive then a simple blood sugar test.

:noidea:
Doesn't make sense to me...

 

[coldsweat]

Doesn't make sense to me...

This day in age, confusion and ignorance reigns supreme, and truth and fact is merely fiction! :shame: Days like this, I can't wait for Jesus to come back!

 

[bluedog]

Exactly

Nevermind I'd rather wait on this a bit longer

This day in age, confusion and ignorance reigns supreme, and truth and fact is merely fiction! Days like this, I can't wait for Jesus to come back!

:lol:

 

[bluedog]

Just like conservatives got Van Jones to resign, we need to man up and hit the airwaves to get Joe Wilson to step down! :nod:

Actually I think they just let loose a dragon.

 

[XHALE9802]

:lmao:

LINK

:nod: uh huh. that's what popped up after I clicked "home" after I submitted my email. :lol: That junk got crashed.

 

[SUtrp96]

One of the issues I don't like in the present state of this bill is FORCING anyone to purchase health care...

Why hasn’t this suggestion below been made?

If you don't have health insurance and you are responsible and SAVE money for your own health care NOTHING in this bill will affect you!


If you don't have health insurance and you are NOT responsible and don't save money for your own health care and you have to unfortunately need health care... Garnish their paycheck until the full amount is paid.

Because you don't have health care and don't have a job, how can they penalize you.. and if they do, where they going to get the money from then?



This is too much like right, but why haven't any side made this COMMON sense suggestion?

A lot of the health care flaws can be solved by common sense initiatives..
But BOTH parties don't want that.. Bottom line Government wants total control of us...

Do some of you democrats (AGAIN I'm neither DEM nor REPUB) ever ask yourselves.. Why are the Democrats in office so much against the rich and they are living just as good as them if not better and they pay off their special interest groups to MAINTAIN their office and their RICH life style and our poor people makes ZERO progress?

None of these parties are for US...

 

[SUtrp96]

I believe they gave the page and section for this on no less than two shows. Countdown and Rachel Madow.

That's the exact same thing the right wing folk are doing...


Do you believe most of the folk defending either side is actually reading and using the information to make them feel better about this bill or explain why they are against the bill?

In the form of the BIll before this speech.. a lot of right wing folk had a legit case.. After listening to Barack last night, he kept saying in "his" bill... Is that bill out yet for us to examine? Last I checked I din't find anything...

And I still don't like the government health plan option..

why not open all US citizens to ALL options outside of their state for options to select from... Which will make these insurance companies a lot more competitive... It's over 1300 options if just this one regulation is lefted.

Obama keep trying to compare health care insurance to auto insurance, but you are able to purchase a slew of different auto insurance policies and a slew of different companies to select from.

Furthermore in this present state of the bill... You will also be penalized if you don't have a certain type of coverage....That ain't right..

 

[coldsweat]

And I still don't like the government health plan option..

Why not? It's the perfect plan to create competition against the private sector. Same way the U.S. post office competes against FedEx, UPS. Same way Medicare competes with Private Care. Same way, government jobs compete with Private Sector jobs! :nod: This is the ONLY way you will force to private sector to do what's right! An elementary kid could see this!

why not open all US citizens to ALL options outside of their state for options to select from... Which will make these insurance companies a lot more competitive... It's over 1300 options if just this one regulation is lefted.

Great idea in principal but flawed in implementation. This will only delay the inevitable. To be a crook, you need to think like a crook. And if I were the insurance companies and they allowed consumers to purchase insurance across state lines, as an executive, I would MANDATE a universal price across state lines. Insurance would be the same in Alabama as it is in Jackson..and ultimately there's is nothing the consumer can do about it. I could raise the prices gradually each year and you would still be forced to pay high premiums. Why? Because there isn't another AVAILABLE OPTION! :nod:

Obama keep trying to compare health care insurance to auto insurance, but you are able to purchase a slew of different auto insurance policies and a slew of different companies to select from.

It's the same principle man! :shame: You have "options" for insurance and half the time, auto insurance is overpriced! You get penalized for having an accident 3 years prior and there's nothing you can do about it but pay the higher premium. (That AINT right either, but it's what we have to put up with!) With auto insurance you pay just in case something happens. Most of the time, we don't even put claims on our auto insurance unless its a drastic situation. The fact of the matter is the auto insurance industry needs some tweaking too! :nod:

Furthermore in this present state of the bill... You will also be penalized if you don't have a certain type of coverage....That ain't right..

It is right. Don't get a piss po coverage plan if you know yo ass need A LOT of work done! It's the same thing with auto insurance. Don't get a low ass plan if you got a brand new car! And don't get a good ass plan if you got a piss po car. Liability baby..liability! :lol: :lol:

 

[southsuburbs]

One of the issues I don't like in the present state of this bill is FORCING anyone to purchase health care...

Why hasn’t this suggestion below been made?

If you don't have health insurance and you are responsible and SAVE money for your own health care NOTHING in this bill will affect you!


If you don't have health insurance and you are NOT responsible and don't save money for your own health care and you have to unfortunately need health care... Garnish their paycheck until the full amount is paid.

Because you don't have health care and don't have a job, how can they penalize you.. and if they do, where they going to get the money from then?



This is too much like right, but why haven't any side made this COMMON sense suggestion?

A lot of the health care flaws can be solved by common sense initiatives..
But BOTH parties don't want that.. Bottom line Government wants total control of us...

Do some of you democrats (AGAIN I'm neither DEM nor REPUB) ever ask yourselves.. Why are the Democrats in office so much against the rich and they are living just as good as them if not better and they pay off their special interest groups to MAINTAIN their office and their RICH life style and our poor people makes ZERO progress?

None of these parties are for US...

I have an issue with FORCING someone to get insurance, this was my stance when Hillary was pushing it while campaigning.

I feel if a person is able to afford health insurance then they should pay for their bils on their own. No problem.

But that's not the case for MOST people I know,if they are struggling with getting/keeping health insurance it's b/c they can't afford it and their job doen't provide or (if they have a job).

What if a person isn't able to afford the health insurance (as is the case now). From MY understanding of the bill this person would receive...like a "link card" for health insurance that would provide money towards his/her health insurance. Basically if I don't make enough money to afford health insurance on my, under the new plan I would pay a % of my premium and the govt would cover the rest. I would all be based on income.

Wait...my late "uncle" (dated my Aunt FOREVER but never married) didn't have health insurance. He never used his social security number, NEVER...got paid in cash in everything he did and he was a legal American. LOL Well, he also NEVER went to the hospital until he died earlier this year. He was sick ALL THE TIME and all along, but he didn't want insurance and never wanted to go to the hospital. That was his choice (I guess...maybe he was a fugitive, LOL). When he finally went to the hosptial (and eventually died) they ran test, after test, blood transfusions, etc. Who paid for that? Not my Aunt b/c they were't married and my sister (who is int eh medical field) specifically told her not to sign a thing.

My point is...when my "uncle" entered the hospital he was one of those peopel that want the freedom to choose if they have insurance. But the hospital doesn't have the option of choosing if they want to treat a patient that's very, very sick.

 

[bluedog]

Why not? It's the perfect plan to create competition against the private sector. Same way the U.S. post office competes against FedEx, UPS. Same way Medicare competes with Private Care. Same way, government jobs compete with Private Sector jobs! :nod: This is the ONLY way you will force to private sector to do what's right! An elementary kid could see this!



Great idea in principal but flawed in implementation. This will only delay the inevitable. To be a crook, you need to think like a crook. And if I were the insurance companies and they allowed consumers to purchase insurance across state lines, as an executive, I would MANDATE a universal price across state lines. Insurance would be the same in Alabama as it is in Jackson..and ultimately there's is nothing the consumer can do about it. I could raise the prices gradually each year and you would still be forced to pay high premiums. Why? Because there isn't another AVAILABLE OPTION! :nod:



It's the same principle man! :shame: You have "options" for insurance and half the time, auto insurance is overpriced! You get penalized for having an accident 3 years prior and there's nothing you can do about it but pay the higher premium. (That AINT right either, but it's what we have to put up with!) With auto insurance you pay just in case something happens. Most of the time, we don't even put claims on our auto insurance unless its a drastic situation. The fact of the matter is the auto insurance industry needs some tweaking too! :nod:


It is right. Don't get a piss po coverage plan if you know yo ass need A LOT of work done! It's the same thing with auto insurance. Don't get a low ass plan if you got a brand new car! And don't get a good ass plan if you got a piss po car. Liability baby..liability! :lol: :lol:

You hit the nail on the head sweat, like I said most opposition of the plan are to stupid to even understand the basic principle of the need for universal health care but yet the all want to whine about it.

For example I bet you the next complaint by the GOP is going to be against forcing people to get healthcare then they are going to turn right back around and whine about having to pay for other people cost.

Now you tell me just how stupid is that really? The reason that we have force insurance on cars is because of all the accident claim made with uninsured motorist involved and how it was shooting the cost sky high.

 

[SUtrp96]

Why not? It's the perfect plan to create competition against the private sector. Same way the U.S. post office competes against FedEx, UPS. Same way Medicare competes with Private Care. Same way, government jobs compete with Private Sector jobs! :nod: This is the ONLY way you will force to private sector to do what's right! An elementary kid could see this!



Great idea in principal but flawed in implementation. This will only delay the inevitable. To be a crook, you need to think like a crook. And if I were the insurance companies and they allowed consumers to purchase insurance across state lines, as an executive, I would MANDATE a universal price across state lines. Insurance would be the same in Alabama as it is in Jackson..and ultimately there's is nothing the consumer can do about it. I could raise the prices gradually each year and you would still be forced to pay high premiums. Why? Because there isn't another AVAILABLE OPTION! :nod:



It's the same principle man! :shame: You have "options" for insurance and half the time, auto insurance is overpriced! You get penalized for having an accident 3 years prior and there's nothing you can do about it but pay the higher premium. (That AINT right either, but it's what we have to put up with!) With auto insurance you pay just in case something happens. Most of the time, we don't even put claims on our auto insurance unless its a drastic situation. The fact of the matter is the auto insurance industry needs some tweaking too! :nod:


It is right. Don't get a piss po coverage plan if you know yo ass need A LOT of work done! It's the same thing with auto insurance. Don't get a low ass plan if you got a brand new car! And don't get a good ass plan if you got a piss po car. Liability baby..liability! :lol: :lol:

With all you said you still missed the ELEMENTARY point I made...

If one chose not to purchase a plan and I never need any medical attention that year... Don't penalize him/her!

If one chose not to purchase a plan and have money saved to take care of their bill, WHY penalize them?


(SOMEONE WITH A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Garnish their wages until it's paid in full instead of penalizing the AMERICAN tax paying citizens after all that person is a tax payer as well, since we are talking about penalizing them for not having the coverage. PENALIZE them because they NOW put the AMERICAN people at risk to pay their tab.

(SOMEONE WITHOUT A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Who's going to pay for their bill even after they are penalized?


I have no earthly clue why you are bragging on the us postal service when they are flat BROKE and the service is horrible as hell..lol

And please explain how any one in the private sector can compete against a company funded by the government who does not "have" to make a profit.. Please explain.

 

[SUtrp96]

I have an issue with FORCING someone to get insurance, this was my stance when Hillary was pushing it while campaigning.

I feel if a person is able to afford health insurance then they should pay for their bils on their own. No problem.

But that's not the case for MOST people I know,if they are struggling with getting/keeping health insurance it's b/c they can't afford it and their job doen't provide or (if they have a job).

What if a person isn't able to afford the health insurance (as is the case now). From MY understanding of the bill this person would receive...like a "link card" for health insurance that would provide money towards his/her health insurance. Basically if I don't make enough money to afford health insurance on my, under the new plan I would pay a % of my premium and the govt would cover the rest. I would all be based on income.

Wait...my late "uncle" (dated my Aunt FOREVER but never married) didn't have health insurance. He never used his social security number, NEVER...got paid in cash in everything he did and he was a legal American. LOL Well, he also NEVER went to the hospital until he died earlier this year. He was sick ALL THE TIME and all along, but he didn't want insurance and never wanted to go to the hospital. That was his choice (I guess...maybe he was a fugitive, LOL). When he finally went to the hosptial (and eventually died) they ran test, after test, blood transfusions, etc. Who paid for that? Not my Aunt b/c they were't married and my sister (who is int eh medical field) specifically told her not to sign a thing.

My point is...when my "uncle" entered the hospital he was one of those peopel that want the freedom to choose if they have insurance. But the hospital doesn't have the option of choosing if they want to treat a patient that's very, very sick.

Not trying to be funny.. But if your "uncle" never wanted insurance and NEVER went to the hospital all his years.. HE was surely NOT the cause of the cost problems of health care.. Matter of fact if EVERYONE did what your "uncle" did....health care would be in a serious SURPLUS!

Out his whole life he had "one" hospital visit according to what you said... I as a tax payer wouldn't mind spiltting his bill with all other tax payers if everyone did that....lol

 

[CEE DOG]

I wish folks would tell the truth. We pay for other folks health care anyway. When folks go the ER and don't have insurance working folks pay for it. You can not trun anyone a way for a hospital that isn't private. Tax payers pay for it. GO ahead and let this bill pass, at least we will know what we paying for now anyway. Folks who skeem already know this. You can't stop them. Realize it.

 

[XHALE9802]

Out his whole life he had "one" hospital visit according to what you said... I as a tax payer wouldn't mind spiltting his bill with all other tax payers if everyone did that....lol

lol, But you know everyone aint gone do that, not with Octomom having all these babies and those of the like.

 

[XHALE9802]

I wish folks would tell the truth. We pay for other folks health care anyway. When folks go the ER and don't have insurance working folks pay for it. You can not trun anyone a way for a hospital that isn't private. Tax payers pay for it. GO ahead and let this bill pass, at least we will know what we paying for now anyway. Folks who skeem already know this. You can't stop them. Realize it.

Truth.

 

[coldsweat]

With all you said you still missed the ELEMENTARY point I made...

If one chose not to purchase a plan and I never need any medical attention that year... Don't penalize him/her!

If one chose not to purchase a plan and have money saved to take care of their bill, WHY penalize them?

Okay..I don't know why I'm breaking this down to you, but I will. Being that you are an engineer, I'm sure you will understand this! At least, I hope so! :noidea:

To your first point. If you get caught riding in your car and you don't have car insurance, you will pay a fine! Why? Because you can POSSIBLY have an accident. The plan is there for preventable purposes and just "in case" you do need some help due to a freak accident! So yes..they should be penalized because we ALL should have health care just like those of us that are old enough to drive SHOULD have car insurance. Same principle man!

And to your second point...it's the same principle with car insurance. I have paid my car insurance for 8 years and I have NEVER filed a claim. But yet, I STILL have to pay into the program to help OTHERS that may have an accident. This strategy is all about helping to pay the OVERALL COST of the program. Same as paying taxes every year, and the same was contributing to your school and football team!

(SOMEONE WITH A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Garnish their wages until it's paid in full instead of penalizing the AMERICAN tax paying citizens after all that person is a tax payer as well, since we are talking about penalizing them for not having the coverage. PENALIZE them because they NOW put the AMERICAN people at risk to pay their tab.

(SOMEONE WITHOUT A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Who's going to pay for their bill even after they are penalized?

Um..the same people that are paying for it now! What's your point?

I have no earthly clue why you are bragging on the us postal service when they are flat BROKE and the service is horrible as hell..lol

Because it's an OPTION. And regardless of whether they are broke or not is not the point. The point is I have that option! If FedEx and UPS is too much, I can go to USPS. And the only reason why the USPS is going broke is b/c FedEx and UPS have gradually created a market monopoly. How? Because they have invested more money into their program whereas the government has tried to just stay afloat with the Postal Service.

And please explain how any one in the private sector can compete against a company funded by the government who does not "have" to make a profit.. Please explain.

By simply lowering their prices to be competitive or cheaper with the government agency and offering better service. It's survival of the fittest. If you want my service, give me the best service for the most affordable price! :nod:

 

[southsuburbs]

Not trying to be funny.. But if your "uncle" never wanted insurance and NEVER went to the hospital all his years.. HE was surely NOT the cause of the cost problems of health care.. Matter of fact if EVERYONE did what your "uncle" did....health care would be in a serious SURPLUS!

Out his whole life he had "one" hospital visit according to what you said... I as a tax payer wouldn't mind spiltting his bill with all other tax payers if everyone did that....lol

My point of sharing that was if a person chooses to not have health insurance, regardless if they can afford it or not....when they go to the hospital/doctor...they will be treated!!! The hospital cannot turn them away and somebody will pay for those bills.

 

[SUtrp96]

Okay..I don't know why I'm breaking this down to you, but I will. Being that you are an engineer, I'm sure you will understand this! At least, I hope so! :noidea:

To your first point. If you get caught riding in your car and you don't have car insurance, you will pay a fine! Why? Because you can POSSIBLY have an accident. The plan is there for preventable purposes and just "in case" you do need some help due to a freak accident! So yes..they should be penalized because we ALL should have health care just like those of us that are old enough to drive SHOULD have car insurance. Same principle man!

And to your second point...it's the same principle with car insurance. I have paid my car insurance for 8 years and I have NEVER filed a claim. But yet, I STILL have to pay into the program to help OTHERS that may have an accident. This strategy is all about helping to pay the OVERALL COST of the program. Same as paying taxes every year, and the same was contributing to your school and football team!



Um..the same people that are paying for it now! What's your point?



Because it's an OPTION. And regardless of whether they are broke or not is not the point. The point is I have that option! If FedEx and UPS is too much, I can go to USPS. And the only reason why the USPS is going broke is b/c FedEx and UPS have gradually created a market monopoly. How? Because they have invested more money into their program whereas the government has tried to just stay afloat with the Postal Service.


By simply lowering their prices to be competitive or cheaper with the government agency and offering better service. It's survival of the fittest. If you want my service, give me the best service for the most affordable price! :nod:

First off I am giving you all the respect I can, give me the same. This is not the smack board and I am not saying nothing to you or anyone else on here to get under your or anyone elses skin kid.

Again,
To your credit, you are stating what is being done already with car insurance..
But you are using this example like car insurance is the BOMB digidy.. It ain't

I feel cheated every year I pay all that dayum money to a dayum insurance company and never need their services but when I do I still have to pay an FN deductable?!?...:retard:
I don't care how anyone try to explain it, it's BS... and the only explanation someone would give who THINK they know what the fug they are talking about is the explanation that of the actual INSURANCE companies who are scaping in EXTREME profit margins.

Since we are talking about Healthcare, that's the last I care to hear about some Auto Insurance comparison..


What did I say that you did not understand brah?

I do not BELIEVE one should be penalized because HE/SHE could have to use the hospital and don't have the means to pay and NEVER use the hospital..

I said I DO believe you should be penalized WHEN you do use the hospital and DON't HAVE the MEANS to pay!


TAX CUTS...TAX CREDIT! KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY and MANY will not have an excuse to not be responsible... even though it's not an excuse NOW.


Again! I feel one should only be penalized if they USE the hospital (WHICH is when cost is endured)


And since you are gunho on this Auto insurance stuff... YOU are only PENALIZED for not having auto insurance when you are involved in an auto accident (Damage must be paid)... Other than getting pulled over for doing something in a vehicle that could harm other citizens and getting pulled over and a cop discovering you are not properly insured you will never be penalized..

It's not a question if I understand what YOU are saying.. It is I don't AGREE with you.

Just say you don't agree with my stance and be done with it brah.

That's all

 

[SUtrp96]

My point of sharing that was if a person chooses to not have health insurance, regardless if they can afford it or not....when they go to the hospital/doctor...they will be treated!!! The hospital cannot turn them away and somebody will pay for those bills.

Exactly that somebody should be the person using the hospital services... That's when you shift that penalty on them how ever.... since they were going to be penalized ANY way.. garnish their checks until it is paid..

And if they didn't have a job, How are we going to penalize them how will they EVER be able to pay?

Them folk that are poor and who are the main ones (that are cheeky) flooding the ER with simple headaches and schit will NOT purchase NO kind of health care unless it's free, they are strongly dependant on the government now to do stuff for them where they put hardly NO effort so why do we think that will change?

 

[Warndalyn]

I like the way Obama handles fool's that do stuff like this.
He let the room go silent and left that idiot hanging out there for the world to hear.
Everybody turned and looked directly at that idiot.

Let them show just how crazy they really are cause when 2012 comes, all these sound bytes and crazy town hall meeting are going to resurface again and there is no way they can say this is not them.


Side note.
OBAMA did look like he wanted to say BYOTCH PLEASE when he turned in that direction but decided to keep his cool.:lol:

:nod: I loved the way he handled this moment as well...props to the President for being the bigger and better man that we know him to be! :tup:

I don't know what to say about you! This man breaks a written rule of the House chamber and you're okay with it? I hope Joe is stripped of all his committee assignments and any funding that was headed to his congressional district be recalled and vetoed.

I concur...:tup:

Did anybody notice the look Michelle had on her face most of the night?

It was that black woman's face that said "If any of these summa batch tell me one word about my husband tonight, somebody's gonna git they azz kicked"

:lol:

yes...:nod: and I don't blame her one iota!

Source

Well I sent my email to ole Joe.

:tup:

Just like conservatives got Van Jones to resign, we need to man up and hit the airwaves to get Joe Wilson to step down! :nod:

ya damn skippy! :clap:

Exactly

Nevermind I'd rather wait on this a bit longer


:lol:

right...:lol:

Why not? It's the perfect plan to create competition against the private sector. Same way the U.S. post office competes against FedEx, UPS. Same way Medicare competes with Private Care. Same way, government jobs compete with Private Sector jobs! :nod: This is the ONLY way you will force to private sector to do what's right! An elementary kid could see this!



Great idea in principal but flawed in implementation. This will only delay the inevitable. To be a crook, you need to think like a crook. And if I were the insurance companies and they allowed consumers to purchase insurance across state lines, as an executive, I would MANDATE a universal price across state lines. Insurance would be the same in Alabama as it is in Jackson..and ultimately there's is nothing the consumer can do about it. I could raise the prices gradually each year and you would still be forced to pay high premiums. Why? Because there isn't another AVAILABLE OPTION! :nod:



It's the same principle man! :shame: You have "options" for insurance and half the time, auto insurance is overpriced! You get penalized for having an accident 3 years prior and there's nothing you can do about it but pay the higher premium. (That AINT right either, but it's what we have to put up with!) With auto insurance you pay just in case something happens. Most of the time, we don't even put claims on our auto insurance unless its a drastic situation. The fact of the matter is the auto insurance industry needs some tweaking too! :nod:


It is right. Don't get a piss po coverage plan if you know yo ass need A LOT of work done! It's the same thing with auto insurance. Don't get a low ass plan if you got a brand new car! And don't get a good ass plan if you got a piss po car. Liability baby..liability! :lol: :lol:

With all you said you still missed the ELEMENTARY point I made...

If one chose not to purchase a plan and I never need any medical attention that year... Don't penalize him/her!

If one chose not to purchase a plan and have money saved to take care of their bill, WHY penalize them?


(SOMEONE WITH A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Garnish their wages until it's paid in full instead of penalizing the AMERICAN tax paying citizens after all that person is a tax payer as well, since we are talking about penalizing them for not having the coverage. PENALIZE them because they NOW put the AMERICAN people at risk to pay their tab.

(SOMEONE WITHOUT A JOB and could afford HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS)
If one chose not to purchase a plan and NEED medical attention but no money to pay it.

Who's going to pay for their bill even after they are penalized?


I have no earthly clue why you are bragging on the us postal service when they are flat BROKE and the service is horrible as hell..lol

And please explain how any one in the private sector can compete against a company funded by the government who does not "have" to make a profit.. Please explain.

Good points!

I wish folks would tell the truth. We pay for other folks health care anyway. When folks go the ER and don't have insurance working folks pay for it. You can not trun anyone a way for a hospital that isn't private. Tax payers pay for it. GO ahead and let this bill pass, at least we will know what we paying for now anyway. Folks who skeem already know this. You can't stop them. Realize it.

U shole right...it's not a secret either. :nod:

First off I am giving you all the respect I can, give me the same. This is not the smack board and I am not saying nothing to you or anyone else on here to get under your or anyone elses skin kid.

Again,
To your credit, you are stating what is being done already with car insurance..
But you are using this example like car insurance is the BOMB digidy.. It ain't

I feel cheated every year I pay all that dayum money to a dayum insurance company and never need their services but when I do I still have to pay an FN deductable?!?...:retard:
I don't care how anyone try to explain it, it's BS... and the only explanation someone would give who THINK they know what the fug they are talking about is the explanation that of the actual INSURANCE companies who are scaping in EXTREME profit margins.

Since we are talking about Healthcare, that's the last I care to hear about some Auto Insurance comparison..


What did I say that you did not understand brah?

I do not BELIEVE one should be penalized because HE/SHE could have to use the hospital and don't have the means to pay and NEVER use the hospital..

I said I DO believe you should be penalized WHEN you do use the hospital and DON't HAVE the MEANS to pay!


TAX CUTS...TAX CREDIT! KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY and MANY will not have an excuse to not be responsible... even though it's not an excuse NOW.


Again! I feel one should only be penalized if they USE the hospital (WHICH is when cost is endured)


And since you are gunho on this Auto insurance stuff... YOU are only PENALIZED for not having auto insurance when you are involved in an auto accident (Damage must be paid)... Other than getting pulled over for doing something in a vehicle that could harm other citizens and getting pulled over and a cop discovering you are not properly insured you will never be penalized..

It's not a question if I understand what YOU are saying.. It is I don't AGREE with you.

Just say you don't agree with my stance and be done with it brah.

That's all

Also, good points...and you are right, this is NOT the smack board. Let's all keep that in mind and continue with good dialogue and debate.

Thank ya kindly,
Mod Team

 

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First off I am giving you all the respect I can, give me the same. This is not the smack board and I am not saying nothing to you or anyone else on here to get under your or anyone elses skin kid.

Again,
To your credit, you are stating what is being done already with car insurance..
But you are using this example like car insurance is the BOMB digidy.. It ain't

I already stated in my previous quote that the car insurance companies plan need to be tweaked. They are they way they are b/c there is no other OPTION. Car insurance companies have been raping consumers for years and nothing has been done to remedy it. Ever wonder why? I agree that car insurance plans are bullshat, but in its current state, it "appears to work" and it is helpful. It does require some tweaking...especially if we could at least get lower premiums and deductibles, it would be great. But how do we get that?

You, yourself are proposing the same plan--get insurance across state lines--with health care companies and you see how unfair car insurance is with the same philosophy! :noidea: All I'm trying to tell you is that health care across state lines aint gon do shat. It'll do the same thing that car insurance across state lines does. Insurance executives will create a standard rate to appease consumers and government and then when the issue starts to die down, they'll increase the rates annually and we'll be right back in this shat hole they we are in currently!

TAX CUTS...TAX CREDIT! KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY and MANY will not have an excuse to not be responsible... even though it's not an excuse NOW.

Huh! Are you serious? Americans are irresponsible as it is right now and you talking tax cuts. If we keep more of our money, we'll waste it. History has shown us this throughout. :nod: Hell, we aint even got enough jobs out there to even propose "effective tax cuts!"

And since you are gunho on this Auto insurance stuff... YOU are only PENALIZED for not having auto insurance when you are involved in an auto accident (Damage must be paid)...

A lie. If you don't have auto insurance and you get pulled over, you'll get a ticket..for not having insurance i.e. a fine! They only way the ticket is waived is if you get insurance before your court date!

It's not a question if I understand what YOU are saying.. It is I don't AGREE with you.

Just say you don't agree with my stance and be done with it brah.

That's all

I don't agree with your stance. Provide some facts and maybe it would be more substantial.

 

[C.O.G.]

That idiot Sarah Palin is doing a tour spewing that garbage right now.:retard:
And just think, she is looked at as one of the top people for 2012 for them. :lol:

I predict that the Repbus. will run their most liberal, left, black-loving candidate they can find. If not they are dead. They may settle for the idiot RNC chair as VP. They will not run Palin unless they are so wrapped their racism that they are out of touch with the entire world.

 

[C.O.G.]

If that were Hillary Clinton, she would have had a response for Joe Wilson.

A white woman could have said whatever she desired. A black man could not.