Breaking News: Govenor Arnold Schwarzenegger has denied clemency.


coldsweat said:
:smh: :shame: Another lost and blind soul walking the earth! :smug2:

OH ......................so I guess the only way I will be "ENlighten" to your standards would be to rip out my spine and place my lips firmly on your arse and way of thinking.:lmao:

I mean ....................I agree nobody has a right to think any way other than what you think.:retard: :goof:

TOOKIE's gone .........................let's show that "I don't believe in the death penalty mentality" applies to everyone.

Call Gov Barber and protest this guy's faith tomorrow:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051213/NEWS/512130383/1002/NEWS
 
Olde Hornet said:
Justice maybe served! Hopefully - there wont be any last minute appeals.

:angry: How can you as a black man living in this country wish death upon one of your own? This is so sick. "We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." His sin is no greater than what you are wishing upon him in your statement. "Sin is Sin," no matter how large or great it is. Tookie will be alright because if he has asked God to forgive him and meant it from his heart...it is done with God. I am so glad that God forgives us for everything, even when it seems impossible to do. Thank you Lord for Your Son Jesus, Thank You for what You did for us that day at Calvary...
 



staggalee83 said:
OH ......................so I guess the only way I will be "ENlighten" to your standards would be to rip out my spine and place my lips firmly on your arse and way of thinking.:lmao:

You said it.....I didn't! :lol: Man, you must have some kind of deranged mind to come up with half of the stuff that you type! :confused: :lmao: Spine.....lips.....arse! :emlaugh:

Stop typing for once and maybe you can think for a change! Cuz right now the only thing you doing is being emotional and sarcastic!

But if you like it, I love it! :tup: :nod2:
 
coldsweat said:
You said it.....I didn't! :lol: Man, you must have some kind of deranged mind to come up with half of the stuff that you type! :confused: :lmao: Spine.....lips.....arse! :emlaugh:

Stop typing for once and maybe you can think for a change! Cuz right now the only thing you doing is being emotional and sarcastic!

But if you like it, I love it! :tup: :nod2:

He!!............ain't nothing left to do except be sarcastic.:lmao:

All my post are as BLACK and WHITE as can be.:nod2:

I refuse to keep typing in stuff for people that are going to SPEED GLOSS over it all just to come up with some lame excuse as to why "looking to other way" is the answer.:tup:
 
staggalee83 said:
All my post are as BLACK and WHITE as can be.:nod2:

So does that mean you did vote for Bush or that you are a republican that just didn't vote period! :snicker

Cuz I know you aint no democrat! :goof:
 
coldsweat said:
So does that mean you did vote for Bush or that you are a republican that just didn't vote period! :snicker

Cuz I know you aint no democrat! :goof:

Nobodys a DEMO anymore......................JUST "IT'S NOT MY FAULT" WHINNER'S..........................But the election is next years topic.

But ............Like I said earlier ....................I was wondering when people would blame others for this negro's fu*ked up life. When fact's don't support opinions, then go to the BUSHIE card. I guess there are a lot of weak arse negro's out there. Cause evidently ya'll think everybody crumbles in shame when being accused of being a BUSHIE.............True or not.:tdown:

Sorry man .................ya'll can POLITICALLY CORRECT it all you want...........I still don't care about this MF and never will.:nod2:
 
staggalee83 said:
Nobodys a DEMO anymore......................JUST "IT'S NOT MY FAULT" WHINNER'S..........................But the election is next years topic.

But ............Like I said earlier ....................I was wondering when people would blame others for this negro's fu*ked up life. When fact's don't support opinions, then go to the BUSHIE card. I guess there are a lot of weak arse negro's out there. Cause evidently ya'll think everybody crumbles in shame when being accused of being a BUSHIE.............True or not.:tdown:

Sorry man .................ya'll can POLITICALLY CORRECT it all you want...........I still don't care about this MF and never will.:nod2:

Yup, it's official..........................you're with the "W"! :lol: :lol: :lol:

He done got all defensive now! :lol:

Hmnnn.....I wonder what you do care about!
 
staggalee83 said:
Feel better now that you have given a BULLSHAT "BUSH SUPPORTER" speach because your cause turned out to be bullshat.

Man .................You know I don't support BUSH or YOUR SPINELESS DEMO CANDIDATES either.

But if it will make you STICK YOUR PERFECT, FOWARDTHINKING CHEST OUT ...............then by all means, call me a BUSH SUPPORTER.:lmao:

I would not want to hurt fragile self-esteem.:lmao:

People like this with no ground to stand on other than bullshat "BUSHIE" words and no substance really crack me up.:lmao:

BTW: If Larry Hoover is caught KILLING 4 PEOPLE IN AN ARMED ROBBERY ATTEMPT, THEN YES ............FRY HIS ARSE.:nod2: :tup: :slap:

That's the problem with people like you .........................YOU KEEP LOOKING OVER FACT's FOR BULLSHAT TO SUPPORT YOU SPINELESS VIEW.:swink:

One more time for the FACT IMPARED......................Tookie didn't get executed for being the founding member of the CRIPS. This MF got executed for MURDER during and ARMED ROBBERY.:nod2:

Now come on back with some more "cry me a river" bullshat.:lmao:



Dude, you're WILD whichever board you're on!

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:infect: :infect: :infect: :infect: :infect: :infect: :infect: :infect:
 
coldsweat said:
Yup, it's official..........................you're with the "W"! :lol: :lol: :lol:

He done got all defensive now! :lol:

Hmnnn.....I wonder what you do care about!

Yep .................It's official.

Colds has taken what I have said and made it into me getting defensive.:goof:

Note #2: If you can't get people on a bullshat cause, SAY THEY ARE DEFENSIVE...............DIVERT.:goof:

Defensive about what .............:goof: ....WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME......:goof: ......NEGRO PLEASE.:retard:

I know an enlighten, touchy feely, warm and fuzzy person like you THINK YOU ARE THAT IMPORTANT TO OTHER PEOPLE ...................but man................sorry to break it to ya .......................YOU AIN'T.:goof:

BTW: Through all this bullshat you have wrote, YOU AND NOBODY ELSE HAS EXPLAINED HOW IT'S NOT TOOKIES FAULT HE BIT THE DUST LAST NIGHT. And if writing childrens books 27 years after the fact is redemption, then the market is about to be flooded.:goof:

I mean all the MF's protesting outside the prison, thumping their chest on this board....................YET THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS DRAG BUSH INTO IT............why I have no idea other than you got nothing else to say.

And also........................Have you called GOV Barber to stop the execution of the OLDEST MAN on death row in AMERICA tomorrow..............He's 76. Show me some of that "anti-death penalty" spirit you claim to have..............or is it what I know it is ..................TALK.:retard:

This is some "OPRAH" cry me a river bullshat.
But enough ....................this subject is OVA.:D
 
I used to be for the death penalty until I started seeing news shows showing how many innocent people - particularly blacks and Hispanics - have died on death row due to messed up evidence, witnesses, liars, etc. I'd rather err on the side of wrong than right when it comes to a person's life. And we all know how racist society is anyhow. Plus, ultimately, we all have to meet our maker and atone for any wrong we do in this lifetime.
 
I personally don't have a strong position one way or the other on the death penalty. If anything, I suppose I lean anti due to the tenets of my religion.

However, one thing I had to shake my head at was ole girl saying afterwards, and I quote, "The State of California just murdered an innocent man."

Say it's immoral, say it's inhumane, whatever. But to say that, in this particular case, makes her judgment questionable IMO.
 
staggalee83 said:
Yep .................It's official.

Colds has taken what I have said and made it into me getting defensive.:goof:

Note #2: If you can't get people on a bullshat cause, SAY THEY ARE DEFENSIVE...............DIVERT.:goof:

Defensive about what .............:goof: ....WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME......:goof: ......NEGRO PLEASE.:retard:

I know an enlighten, touchy feely, warm and fuzzy person like you THINK YOU ARE THAT IMPORTANT TO OTHER PEOPLE ...................but man................sorry to break it to ya .......................YOU AIN'T.:goof:

BTW: Through all this bullshat you have wrote, YOU AND NOBODY ELSE HAS EXPLAINED HOW IT'S NOT TOOKIES FAULT HE BIT THE DUST LAST NIGHT. And if writing childrens books 27 years after the fact is redemption, then the market is about to be flooded.:goof:

I mean all the MF's protesting outside the prison, thumping their chest on this board....................YET THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS DRAG BUSH INTO IT............why I have no idea other than you got nothing else to say.

And also........................Have you called GOV Barber to stop the execution of the OLDEST MAN on death row in AMERICA tomorrow..............He's 76. Show me some of that "anti-death penalty" spirit you claim to have..............or is it what I know it is ..................TALK.:retard:

This is some "OPRAH" cry me a river bullshat.
But enough ....................this subject is OVA.:D


You still don't get it do you? :confused: This issue is not about your support for the W :snicker: , nor for your irrational thought process--that might I add resembles that of a "weed-head college student", --but this is primarily about your poor attempt at making what Tookie did while he was on death row "insignificant!" :goof:

The more and more you type, the better you make all of us look on this board! And let me clarify something before you turn this into another one of your "I'm not a bush support tirades!" What Tookie may or may have not done that ultimately led to him being killed does not, and I REPEAT does not make it right by the state nor the government. No person should ever have control over the fate of another person's life. And to not allow a person to continue to do good based upon their past mistakes is utterly ridiculous.

That's like saying that just because you cheated on your last wife means you're not supposed to get married again and the state is going to make sure that there are enough rules and procedures in place to prevent that from happening!

Despite what Tookie did, (the supposedly murder of 4 people in which his friends snitched on him in order to get a better deal, and there was no additional evidence to support him being the murderer either) he was still better to society alive rather than dead! What does his death teach society? Better yet, what kind of message does it send to society? Are we not supposed to be forgiven for our past mistakes upon the changes in our ways i.e. repent? Does killing Tookie justify what he did in the past? If there was no factual evidence to support if he actually killed those individuals (besides a friends testimony), why was he murdered? Certainly, a man of Tookie's caliber who made a complete transition in prison would have no problem admitting to the murders he commited before his untimely death and finally be redeemed spirtually for his mistakes right--that is if he had actually commited them? The bottom line is Tookie was sentenced to death to send a message not to society but to the black community....WE WILL KILL YOUR ARSE NO MATTER WHAT...WE WILL RID THE WORLD OF YOUR ARSE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER!

You and your bullshat rhetoric remind me of Bush and his inability to bring simple logic and decision-making skills to any discussion. And yes, I will still label you as being a Bush-supporter despite this off base, poor attempt at sarcasm of yours and not deter from it. After all, I think that title fits you pretty well, dont you! :winkgrin:
 



coldsweat said:
You still don't get it do you? :confused: This issue is not about your support for the W :snicker: , nor for your irrational thought process--that might I add resembles that of a "weed-head college student", --but this is primarily about your poor attempt at making what Tookie did while he was on death row "insignificant!" :goof:

The more and more you type, the better you make all of us look on this board! And let me clarify something before you turn this into another one of your "I'm not a bush support tirades!" What Tookie may or may have not done that ultimately led to him being killed does not, and I REPEAT does not make it right by the state nor the government. No person should ever have control over the fate of another person's life. And to not allow a person to continue to do good based upon their past mistakes is utterly ridiculous.

That's like saying that just because you cheated on your last wife means you're not supposed to get married again and the state is going to make sure that there are enough rules and procedures in place to prevent that from happening!

Despite what Tookie did, (the supposedly murder of 4 people in which his friends snitched on him in order to get a better deal, and there was no additional evidence to support him being the murderer either) he was still better to society alive rather than dead! What does his death teach society? Better yet, what kind of message does it send to society? Are we not supposed to be forgiven for our past mistakes upon the changes in our ways i.e. repent? Does killing Tookie justify what he did in the past? If there was no factual evidence to support if he actually killed those individuals (besides a friends testimony), why was he murdered? Certainly, a man of Tookie's caliber who made a complete transition in prison would have no problem admitting to the murders he commited before his untimely death and finally be redeemed spirtually for his mistakes right--that is if he had actually commited them? The bottom line is Tookie was sentenced to death to send a message not to society but to the black community....WE WILL KILL YOUR ARSE NO MATTER WHAT...WE WILL RID THE WORLD OF YOUR ARSE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER!

You and your bullshat rhetoric remind me of Bush and his inability to bring simple logic and decision-making skills to any discussion. And yes, I will still label you as being a Bush-supporter despite this off base, poor attempt at sarcasm of yours and not deter from it. After all, I think that title fits you pretty well, dont you! :winkgrin:
wow, what an insightful post...:tup:
 
I think that the governor had his mind made up a long time ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/12/williams.crips.reut/index.html

.....

Latino gangs first surfaced in Los Angeles after the turn of the century, historians say, and black gangs may have formed in the 1930s.

Blacks moved to Los Angeles in large numbers during World War II and those gangs gained strength until the mid-1960s, when youths were drawn to the civil-rights movement and radical political groups like the Black Panthers.

Williams as anti-hero

By the end of that decade, the Panthers had faded and 15-year-old Washington stepped into a power vacuum, creating a gang he initially called the Baby Avenues. The origins of the name "Crips" are hazy, though one theory attributes it to a disabled member known as a "cripple" to his comrades.

.....

staggalee83 said:
JAYDOG...................Look at the background of a lot of the '60's, '70's figures and I would not be surprised if a lot of them were born in Mississippi, Louisana, or Alabama.

A lot of people are born here.......................AND A LOT OF PEOPLE BACK THEN GOT THE HECK OUT THE FIRST CHANCE THEY GOT.:nod2:

JOKE ........................Mississippi supplied CHICAGO with black people.
That's why dang near everybody you meet from CHI-Town has "people" in Mississippi.:lmao:

You can add Memphis to that list too. My father, who is of western Tennessee roots and a former Memphis resident, is a former resident of Chicago and has relatives there.
 
Killer Bees said:
Justice is being served. Writing childrens books don't exclude you from being punished for four murders and whatever other murders we don't know about.

My sentiments exactly.
 
JSU/99 said:
1. Studies have shown that 1) the death penalty does not deter crime and 2) it is on average more expensive than life in prison w/o parole.
2. You can't expect fair analysis from a system that is fundamentally unfair.

Does anyone have stats on the costs of life without parole vs death by whatever means?
 
vertojsu said:
Does anyone have stats on the costs of life without parole vs death by whatever means?


http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html#D.Cost


D. THE COST OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE VS THE DEATH PENALTY

Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ("LWOP") at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.



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Cost of Life Without Parole: Cases
Equivalent To Death Penalty Cases Cost of Death Penalty Cases
1. $34,200/year (1) for 50 years (2), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$75,000 (4) for trial & appeals = $3.01 million $60,000/year (1) for 6 years (5), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$1.5 million (4) for trial & appeals = $1.88 million
2. Same, except 3% (3) = $4.04 million Same, except 3% (3) = $1.89 million
3. Same, except 4% (3) = $5.53 million Same, except 4% (3) = $1.91 million



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There is no question that the up front costs of the death penalty are significantly higher than for equivalent LWOP cases. There also appears to be no question that, over time, equivalent LWOP cases are much more expensive - from $1.2 to $3.6 million - than death penalty cases. Opponents ludicrously claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than LWOP.
(1) The $34,200 is conservative, if TIME Magazine's (2/7/94) research is accurate. TIME found that, nationwide, the average cell cost is $24,000/yr. and the maximum security cell cost is $75,000/yr. (as of 12/95). Opponents claim that LWOP should replace the DP. Therefore, any cost calculations should be based specifically on cell costs for criminals who have committed the exact same category of offense - in other words, cost comparisons are valid only if you compare the costs of DP-equivalent LWOP cases to the cost of DP cases. The $34,200/yr. cell cost assumes that only 20% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in maximum security cost cells and that 80% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in average cost cells. A very conservative estimate. The $60,000/yr., for those on death row, assumes that such cells will average a cost equal to 80% of the $75,000/yr. for the most expensive maximum security cells. A very high estimate. Even though we are calculating a 75% greater cell cost for the DP than for equivalent LWOP cases, equivalent LWOP cases appear to be significantly more expensive, over time, than their DP counterparts. For years, opponents have improperly compared the cost of all LWOP cases to DP cases, when only the DP equivalent LWOP cases are relevant.

(2) U.S. Vital Statistics Abstract, 1994 and Capital Punishment 1995, BJS 1996.

(3) Annual cost increases are based upon: 1) historical increases in prison costs, including judicial decisions regarding prison conditions, and the national inflation rate; 2) medical costs, including the immense cost of geriatric care, associated with real LWOP sentences; 3) injury or death to the inmate by violence; 4) injury or death to others caused by the inmate (3 and 4 anticipate no DP and that prisoners, not fearing additional punishment, other than loss of privileges, may increase the likelihood of violence. One could make the same assumptions regarding those on death row. The difference is that death row inmates will average 6 years incarceration vs. 50 years projected for LWOP); 5) the risk and the perceived risk of escape; and 6) the justifiable lack of confidence by the populace in our legislators, governors, parole boards and judges, i.e. a violent inmate will be released upon society.

(4) $75,000 for trial and appeals cost, for DP-equivalent LWOP cases, assumes that the DP is not an option. We believe this cost estimate is very low. We have over-estimated that DP cases will cost twenty times more, on average, or $1.5 million. Our exaggerated estimate states that the DP will have twenty times more investigation cost, defense and prosecution cost, including voir dire, court time, guilt/innocence stage, sentencing stage and appellate review time and cost than DP equivalent LWOP cases. Even though we have greatly exaggerated the cost of DP cases, DP cases still prove to be significantly less expensive, over time, than the DP equivalent LWOP cases.

(5) 6 years on death row, prior to execution, reflects the new habeas corpus reform laws, at both the state and federal levels. Some anti-death penalty groups speculate that such time may actually become only 4 years. If so, then DP cases would cost even that much less than the DP equivalent LWOP cases. However, the average time on death row, for those executed from 1973-1994, was 8 years (Capital Punishment 1994, BJS, 1995). Therefore, 6 years seems more likely. Even using the 8 year average, the DP equivalent LWOP cases are still $1 million more expensive than their DP counterparts ($2 million @ 2% annual increase).

One of the USA?s largest death rows is in Texas, with 442 inmates, of which 229, or 52%, have been on death row over 6 years - 44, or 10%, have been on for over 15 years, 8 for over 20 years. 60 inmates, nationwide, have been on death row over 18 years. (as of 12/96).

NOTE - 10/19/00 - We received a post which located a flaw within our cost evaluation. The reader stated that we should "present value" all the costs of both a life sentence and the death penalty and that, if we do so, a life sentence is cheaper than a death sentence. Using the numbers in our analysis, such is a good point.

It should be noted that we were intentionally generous in minimizing life costs within our analysis. Please review we have not included

1)the recent studies on geriatric care at about $70,000/year/prisoner in today's dollars , or

2) the recent explosion of Hepatitis C and AIDS within the prison system, or

3) the cost savings to jurisdictions based on plea bargains to maximum life sentences, which can only occur due solely to the presence of the death penalty. Such should accrue as a cost benefit of the death penalty, and

4) none of the above have been included in our cost analysis. All of which either increase the cost of a life sentence or accrue as a cost credit to the death penalty, and

5) And we have been extremely generous to the anti death penalty position with our numbers to begin with. I suspect that an average life without parole sentence costs closer to $150,000-$300,000, for all pre-trial, trial and appeals, as opposed to the $75,000 used in our study.

Those omissions should not be considered a balancing, because accuracy is paramount. There is no cost study which fully evaluates all of those issues. We hope to update the data at some point with a more thorough review.
 
coldsweat said:
You still don't get it do you? :confused: This issue is not about your support for the W :snicker: , nor for your irrational thought process--that might I add resembles that of a "weed-head college student", --but this is primarily about your poor attempt at making what Tookie did while he was on death row "insignificant!" :goof:

This is why you keep proving that you are a waste of time.

BTW: Have you called GUV Barber yet.....................the clock is ticking on the OLDEST PERSON ON DEATH ROW.....................tonight. Come on ..............put your "BELIEF's" where your mouth is.

I don't agree with you .......so I don't get it.:xeye:
You can't read.......so YOU type in that I'm trying to make SWEET TOOKIE's accomplishments insignificant..........as always, don't have shat to say .............type in YOUR words and say SOMEONE ELSE said it.:bawling:

MY, MY .................How EN-LIGHTEN we are.
Pull that uppity stick out a little...............I'm sure your butt is hurting, making you cranky.:xeye:

Enjoy the rest of you KIDDIE convo.......................Gloss over murdering 4 people to shape things the way you want.:p

But again ...........enjoy........................and come up with better insults than BUSHIE.....................I'm not one of your follow the leader arse kissers your used to being around.:bawling:
That's dated.:hat: ........................like this subject.................moving on.:bump:
 
Stag, question. Can you please post a reply without all the bold letters and those funny looking smilies? I mean, I know you feel that it's necessary to highlight some words with different colors, but honestly it is really not necessary. We will still be able to get your point. It is really hard to follow you and interpret your point with all that. If you could please try one post without all that, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.


Sincerely,


Black Bengal
 
EB said:
You can add Memphis to that list too. My father, who is of western Tennessee roots and a former Memphis resident, is a former resident of Chicago and has relatives there.


I got so many relatives in Chicago, we could start our own small town.:emlaugh:
 
Blacknbengal said:
Stag, question. Can you please post a reply without all the bold letters and those funny looking smilies? I mean, I know you feel that it's necessary to highlight some words with different colors, but honestly it is really not necessary. We will still be able to get your point. It is really hard to follow you and interpret your point with all that. If you could please try one post without all that, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.


Sincerely,


Black Bengal

AHHHHH...........You sure about that.

And if you could not gloss over facts, I would greatly appreciate that.:emlaugh:

Thanks in advance

Sincerely,
Staggalee83/JSTATE83/JSU83
 
PNeck019 said:
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html#D.Cost


D. THE COST OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE VS THE DEATH PENALTY

Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ("LWOP") at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cost of Life Without Parole: Cases
Equivalent To Death Penalty Cases Cost of Death Penalty Cases
1. $34,200/year (1) for 50 years (2), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$75,000 (4) for trial & appeals = $3.01 million $60,000/year (1) for 6 years (5), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$1.5 million (4) for trial & appeals = $1.88 million
2. Same, except 3% (3) = $4.04 million Same, except 3% (3) = $1.89 million
3. Same, except 4% (3) = $5.53 million Same, except 4% (3) = $1.91 million



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is no question that the up front costs of the death penalty are significantly higher than for equivalent LWOP cases. There also appears to be no question that, over time, equivalent LWOP cases are much more expensive - from $1.2 to $3.6 million - than death penalty cases. Opponents ludicrously claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than LWOP.
(1) The $34,200 is conservative, if TIME Magazine's (2/7/94) research is accurate. TIME found that, nationwide, the average cell cost is $24,000/yr. and the maximum security cell cost is $75,000/yr. (as of 12/95). Opponents claim that LWOP should replace the DP. Therefore, any cost calculations should be based specifically on cell costs for criminals who have committed the exact same category of offense - in other words, cost comparisons are valid only if you compare the costs of DP-equivalent LWOP cases to the cost of DP cases. The $34,200/yr. cell cost assumes that only 20% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in maximum security cost cells and that 80% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in average cost cells. A very conservative estimate. The $60,000/yr., for those on death row, assumes that such cells will average a cost equal to 80% of the $75,000/yr. for the most expensive maximum security cells. A very high estimate. Even though we are calculating a 75% greater cell cost for the DP than for equivalent LWOP cases, equivalent LWOP cases appear to be significantly more expensive, over time, than their DP counterparts. For years, opponents have improperly compared the cost of all LWOP cases to DP cases, when only the DP equivalent LWOP cases are relevant.

(2) U.S. Vital Statistics Abstract, 1994 and Capital Punishment 1995, BJS 1996.

(3) Annual cost increases are based upon: 1) historical increases in prison costs, including judicial decisions regarding prison conditions, and the national inflation rate; 2) medical costs, including the immense cost of geriatric care, associated with real LWOP sentences; 3) injury or death to the inmate by violence; 4) injury or death to others caused by the inmate (3 and 4 anticipate no DP and that prisoners, not fearing additional punishment, other than loss of privileges, may increase the likelihood of violence. One could make the same assumptions regarding those on death row. The difference is that death row inmates will average 6 years incarceration vs. 50 years projected for LWOP); 5) the risk and the perceived risk of escape; and 6) the justifiable lack of confidence by the populace in our legislators, governors, parole boards and judges, i.e. a violent inmate will be released upon society.

(4) $75,000 for trial and appeals cost, for DP-equivalent LWOP cases, assumes that the DP is not an option. We believe this cost estimate is very low. We have over-estimated that DP cases will cost twenty times more, on average, or $1.5 million. Our exaggerated estimate states that the DP will have twenty times more investigation cost, defense and prosecution cost, including voir dire, court time, guilt/innocence stage, sentencing stage and appellate review time and cost than DP equivalent LWOP cases. Even though we have greatly exaggerated the cost of DP cases, DP cases still prove to be significantly less expensive, over time, than the DP equivalent LWOP cases.

(5) 6 years on death row, prior to execution, reflects the new habeas corpus reform laws, at both the state and federal levels. Some anti-death penalty groups speculate that such time may actually become only 4 years. If so, then DP cases would cost even that much less than the DP equivalent LWOP cases. However, the average time on death row, for those executed from 1973-1994, was 8 years (Capital Punishment 1994, BJS, 1995). Therefore, 6 years seems more likely. Even using the 8 year average, the DP equivalent LWOP cases are still $1 million more expensive than their DP counterparts ($2 million @ 2% annual increase).

One of the USA?s largest death rows is in Texas, with 442 inmates, of which 229, or 52%, have been on death row over 6 years - 44, or 10%, have been on for over 15 years, 8 for over 20 years. 60 inmates, nationwide, have been on death row over 18 years. (as of 12/96).

NOTE - 10/19/00 - We received a post which located a flaw within our cost evaluation. The reader stated that we should "present value" all the costs of both a life sentence and the death penalty and that, if we do so, a life sentence is cheaper than a death sentence. Using the numbers in our analysis, such is a good point.

It should be noted that we were intentionally generous in minimizing life costs within our analysis. Please review we have not included

1)the recent studies on geriatric care at about $70,000/year/prisoner in today's dollars , or

2) the recent explosion of Hepatitis C and AIDS within the prison system, or

3) the cost savings to jurisdictions based on plea bargains to maximum life sentences, which can only occur due solely to the presence of the death penalty. Such should accrue as a cost benefit of the death penalty, and

4) none of the above have been included in our cost analysis. All of which either increase the cost of a life sentence or accrue as a cost credit to the death penalty, and

5) And we have been extremely generous to the anti death penalty position with our numbers to begin with. I suspect that an average life without parole sentence costs closer to $150,000-$300,000, for all pre-trial, trial and appeals, as opposed to the $75,000 used in our study.

Those omissions should not be considered a balancing, because accuracy is paramount. There is no cost study which fully evaluates all of those issues. We hope to update the data at some point with a more thorough review.

Thanks for the information - it is good to have facts and figures!
 
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