Attendance:HBCU Classics vs. PWC Bowls


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...Just thought I would post some figures from games that were played in the same stadiums this year and last year.

Las Vegas Bowl-(Oregon State vs New Mexico)25,437

Las Vegas Classic, 2003(Southern vs N.C. A&T)20,514

Silver Dollar Classic, 2002(Grambling vs TN. State)22,537




Silicon Valley Bowl(Fresno St. vs UCLA)20,126

Literacy Classic(Grambling vs San Jose St.)31,681


...This shows me why many are chompin'-at-the-bit to invite HBCU's to participate in "Regular Season Bowls"(i.e. Classics)...Never under estimate the power of these Classics; these figures may look like a drop-in-the-bucket compared to the larger BCS Bowls but as you can see when the venue is the same you have two(2) HBCU's drawing just as many in attendance as the "closer in proximity" PWC schools...Many sponsors watch these figures...sometimes more than we will ever know!!!!!

...Happy New Year and may 2004 be even a bigger breakthrough for the Classics and the HBCU's!!!!!
 
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This is an interesting post. One of the classics that most impressed me this year was the new Detroit classic. It would not suprise me if this classic rival if not exceed the Motor City Bowl (providing it still exists).
 



Interesting Points!! One thing to consider is the fact that the although the attendance numbers may play in our favor, the payouts are no where close to being the same.
 
From the Onnidan's website

THE STAT CORNER

WHO ARE THE BEST PERFORMERS IN BLACK COLLEGE SPORTS

http://www.onnidan.com/bcsp/1021/statc10212.htm

BEST ATTENDED BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES IN 2003

1. Florida Classic, Nov. 22, Orlando (Citrus Bowl)
Florida A&M vs. Bethune-Cookman 73,358

2. Bayou Classic, Nov. 29, New Orleans (Superdome)
Grambling State vs. Southern 70,151

3. Magic City Classic, Oct. 25, Birmingham (Legion Field)
Alabama A&M vs. Alabama State 63,117

4. Circle City Classic, Oct. 4, Indianapolis (RCA Dome)
Jackson State vs. Florida A&M 58,198

5. Al Lipscomb/State Fair Classic, Oct. 4, Dallas (Cotton Bowl)
Grambling State vs. Prairie View 55,432

6. Detroit Classic, Aug. 30, Detroit (Ford Field)
Florida A&M vs. Alabama State 54,951

7. Southern Heritage Classic, Sept. 13, Memphis (Liberty Bowl)
Jackson State vs. Tennessee State 52,603

8. Palmetto Capital City Classic, Sept. 27, Columbia, SC (Brice Stadium)
Benedict vs. S. C. State 48,723

9. Jackson State home game, Oct. 18, Jackson (Memorial Stadium)
Southern at Jackson State 46,794

10. Ohio Classic, Sept. 20, Cleveland (Browns Stadium)
Hampton vs. Tuskegee 45,688

11. Captial City Classic, Nov. 22, Jackson, MS (Memorial Stadium)
Alcorn State at Jackson State 45,000

12. Urban League Classic, Sept. 27, E. Rutherford, NJ (Meadowlands)
Hampton vs. Morgan State 40,245

13. Gateway Classic, Sept. 27, St. Louis (Edward Jones Dome)
Arkansas-Pine Bluff vs. Kentucky State 37,400

14. A. G. Gaston Classic, Aug. 31, Birmingham, AL (Legion Field)
Tuskegee vs. Miles 32,312

15. SWAC Championship Game, Dec. 13, Birmingham, AL (Legion Field)
Southern vs.. Alabama State 31,617

16. Labor Day Classic, Aug. 30, Houston (Reliant Stadium)
Texas Southern vs. Prairie View 30,358

17. Tuskegee Homecoming, Nov. 8, Tuskegee, AL (Abbott Stadium)
Clark Atlanta vs. Tuskegee 29,467

18. Southern/Texas Southern, Nov. 15, Houston (Reliant Stadium)
Sotuhern at Texas Southern 28,582

19. N. C A&T Homecoming, Oct. 25, Greensboro (Aggie Stadium)
N. C. A&T vs. Howard 26,685

20. Florida A&M Homecoming, Oct. 25, Tallahassee, FL (Bragg Stadium)
Florida A&M vs. Norfolk State 26,514

21. Southern Homecoming, Oct. 11, Baton Rouge, (Mumford Stadium)
Alabama State vs. Southern 26,400

22. Morehouse-Skeege Classic, Oct. 18, Columbus, GA (Memorial Stadium)
Morehouse vs. Tuskegee 25,194

23. Texas Southern Homcoming, Oct. 8, Houston (Reliant Stadium)
Alcorn State at Texas Southern 23,056

24. Southern home game, Oct. 4, Baton Rouge (Mumford Stadium)
Arkansas-Pine Bluff at Southern 21,998

25. Aggie/Eagle Classic, Aug. 31, Raleigh, NC (Carter-Finley Stadium)
N. C. A&T vs. N. C. Central 21,430

26. GramblinG Homecoming, Nov. 1, Grambling, LA (Robinson Stadium)
Texas Southern vs. Grambling State 21,065

27. Alcorn State GAME, Oct. 25, Baron Rouge (Mumford Stadium)
Alcorn State at Southern 20,555

28. Las Vegas Classic, Sept. 13, Las Vegas (Sam Boyd Stadium)
N. C. A&T vs. Southern 20,514

29. Jackson State Homecoming, Nov. 1, Jackson (Memorial Stadium)
Arkansas-Pine Bluff at Jackson State 20,500

30. Grambling HoMe Game, Sept. 6, Grambling, LA (Robinson Stadium)
Alcorn State at Grambling State 20,085

TOTAL 1,117,992
37,266 average (30 games)

? 2003 Azeez Communications, Inc.
 
Attendance matters

http://www.onnidan.com/bcsp/1021/stry10212.htm

Over 1 million devoted fans attended the top 30 black college football games in the 2003 season.

The annual Black College Sports Page listing of the top attended games unveiled this week shows that 30 games topped the 20,000 mark in attendance this year, up from 27 a year ago. Those top 30 games drew 1,117,992 fans, an average of 37,266 per game.

The top 27 games a year ago drew a total of 932,746 fans, an average of 35,546 fans per game.
Orlando's Florida Classic pitting in-state rivals Bethune-Cookman and Florida A&M topped the list for the fourth straight year, drawing 73,358 for this year's exciting 39-35 B-CC win.

The Bayou Classic in New Orleans between Louisiana rivals Grambling State and Southern finished second for the third year in a row. A crowd of 70,151 packed the Superdome to watch another thriller as Southern knocked off the G-Men 44-41 en route to winning the SWAC and black college championships.

The in-state rival theme continued as the third largest crowd (63,117) witnessed the Magic City Classic battle between Alabama A&M and Alabama State, won by A&M, 20-17.

The newest entrant into the top ten was the inaugural Detroit Classic played at the new Ford Field that drew 54,941 to the Florida A&M vs. Alabama State matchup won by 'Bama State, 38-22.

Classic Attendance

As they say, black college Classic games are the bomb.
A look at 2003 NCAA attendance statistics released on Dec. 20, shows that the top 19 neutral-site games are of the black college Classic variety. The numbers are a testament to the fact that no one else on the Div. I-AA level can draw the numbers and fill the major venues like black college Classic games.

The only I-AA schools to make the neutral-site list are The Citadel with a game in Charlotte, N.C., and Maine, with a date in Portland, Me.
By School

Florida A&M, who is moving from NCAA Div. I-AA to Div. I football, is listed as the top black college in I-AA football attendance this year. The Rattlers averaged 21,343 fans for their three home games this season to finish behind Yale (23,578 avg.) and Montana (22,469 avg.) in the national statistics.

Southern, which drew an average of 19,732 fans for its six home games finished just behind FAMU in fourth place.

Two other black college finished in the top ten, perennial leader Jackson State was sixth at 18,196 for its five home games and North Carolina A&T eighth at 16,066 for four dates. Four other black colleges finished in the top 20, Texas Southern (13), Norfolk State (15), Tennessee State (17) and Grambling State (20).

I-AA ATTENDANCE LEADERS

TotalAttend. Avg Attend. Games
1 Yale 117,891 23,578 5
2 Montana 179,754 22,469 8
3 Florida A&M 63,968 21,343 3
4 Southern 118,391 19,732 6
5 Delaware 188,947 18,895 10
6 Jackson State 90,979 18,196 5
7 Citadel 83,794 15,759 5
8 N. C. A&T 64,262 16,066 4
13 Texas Southern 82,065 13,681 6
15 Norfolk State 67,302 13,460 5
17 Tennessee State 63,493 12,699 5
20 Grambling State 47,949 11,987 4
21 South Carolina St. 35,880 11,960 3
23 Alcorn State 57,194 11,439 5
24 Alabama A&M 55,694 11,139 5
27 Alabama State 44,155 11,039 4
37 Bethune-Cookman 47,664 9,533 5
At Homcomings

The attendance at seven black college homecoming games topped the 20,000 mark this year led by the 29,467 that attended the Nov. 8 Tuskegee game.

North Carolina A&T, which topped the list a year ago, had the second largest homecoming crowd this year with 26,685 for its game vs. Howard.

1. Tuskegee, Nov. 8, vs. Clark Atlanta vs. Tuskegee 29,467
2. N. C A&T, Oct. 25, vs. Howard 26,685
3. Florida A&M, Oct. 25, vs. Norfolk State 26,514
4. Southern, Oct. 11, vs. Alabama State 26,400
5. Texas Southern, Oct. 8, vs. Alcorn State 23,056
6. Grambling, Nov. 1, vs. Texas Southern 21,065
7. Jackson State, Nov. 1, vs. Arkansas-Pine Bluff 20,500
8. Alcorn State, Oct 11, vs. Prairie View 18,554
9. Alabama State, Nov 27, vs. Tuskegee 17,306
10. S. C. State, Nov 1, vs. Delaware State 17,176
11. J.C. Smith, Oct 11, vs. Livingstone 16,973
12. Norfolk State, Nov 1, vs. Howard 16,972
13. Bethune-Cookman, Nov. 1, vs. NC A&T 16,485
14. Hampton, Oct 25, vs. S. C. State 15,124
15. Alabama A&M, Oct 4, vs. Texas Southern 15,099
16. Morgan State, Oct 18, vs. Howard 14,576
17. Winston-Salem State, Nov. 1, vs. J. C. Smith 14,571
18. Albany State, Nov 1, vs. Benedict 11,957
19. Benedict, Oct 25, vs. Kentucky State 11,143
20. Howard, Oct 11, vs. Florida A&M 10,500

? 2003 Azeez Communications, Inc.
 
Great post Jafus....

The only flaw with their data is the Atlanta Classics was left out. I think the Georgia Power Atlanta Classic edged out the BC this year by 1 or 200 people and should be #2.
 
It's easy to compare the crappy bowls to big classics. Biggest classic drew 70'ish K, the Rose Bowl drew around 90K, not to mention the national championship hasnt been played yet.
 
BCF Classic

An economic impact report on the locales would be nice. I was told that the Magic City Classic had a larger economic impact on B'ham than when the Iron Bowl (Auburn/Alabama) was played. MCC fans would arrived and spend money all week whereas the ALabama and Auburn fans would drive in for the game and leave the city afterward. I know for a fact many of my family and friends from all over the country come to the MCC game every year and spend lots of cash on housing, food and shopping. I was told that LA and Nawlins would generate more revenue if LSU was not playing in the Sugar Bowl.
 
Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
From the Onnidan's website

THE STAT CORNER

WHO ARE THE BEST PERFORMERS IN BLACK COLLEGE SPORTS

18. Southern/Texas Southern, Nov. 15, Houston (Reliant Stadium)
Sotuhern at Texas Southern 28,582


30. Grambling HoMe Game, Sept. 6, Grambling, LA (Robinson Stadium)
Alcorn State at Grambling State 20,085


? 2003 Azeez Communications, Inc.
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**I thought the su/txsu game was played at Roberson Stadium on the campus of U of H?

**The Grambling/alcorn game was played in Alcorn, MS this year
 
Where is SU's first home game? SU -vs- Alabama State had similar attendance to SU's homecoming game. I don't remember the exact attendance but it should be on the list. Anybody got that attendance figure handy?
 
Originally posted by momof2ym
Where is SU's first home game? SU -vs- Alabama State had similar attendance to SU's homecoming game. I don't remember the exact attendance but it should be on the list. Anybody got that attendance figure handy?
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13. su vs. Bama St................................26,400
14. su vs. aamu.................................. 26,400
15. su vs. UAPB.....................................21,998
 
Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
9. Jackson State home game, Oct. 18, Jackson (Memorial Stadium)
Southern at Jackson State 46,794
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The largest attened non-classic game.
 



The numbers for JSU apear to be wrong.


6 Jackson State 90,979 18,196 5




9. Jackson State home game, Oct. 18, Jackson (Memorial Stadium)
Southern at Jackson State 46,794

11. Captial City Classic, Nov. 22, Jackson, MS (Memorial Stadium)
Alcorn State at Jackson State 45,000



These two games alone add up to be more than 90,979.
 
Originally posted by Hey Que
The numbers for JSU apear to be wrong.


6 Jackson State 90,979 18,196 5




9. Jackson State home game, Oct. 18, Jackson (Memorial Stadium)
Southern at Jackson State 46,794

11. Captial City Classic, Nov. 22, Jackson, MS (Memorial Stadium)
Alcorn State at Jackson State 45,000



These two games alone add up to be more than 90,979.
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The Alcorn game was not included in J-State's final numbers.
 
G-Que, all I have to say is that the NCAA is made up of College Presidents, ADs and a few others on committees and they are well versed on what we are doing. I keep saying that we need to challenge some of the voting that takes place in the NCAA, but when some people get a committee position they are just happy to be there. A lot of 1AA PWCs would love to get involved with classics. UTC tried to sucker us into one with them and pay us $25,000 to play.

We take things too lightly, when we can make an impact on the future of Black College Football. :)
 
Originally posted by MightyDog
G-Que, all I have to say is that the NCAA is made up of College Presidents, ADs and a few others on committees and they are well versed on what we are doing. I keep saying that we need to challenge some of the voting that takes place in the NCAA, but when some people get a committee position they are just happy to be there. A lot of 1AA PWCs would love to get involved with classics. UTC tried to sucker us into one with them and pay us $25,000 to play.

We take things too lightly, when we can make an impact on the future of Black College Football. :)
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...MD, I know what you are talking about...as for UTC, they are not in "any" position to try to sucker anyone...least of all an HBCU...here is a school that can't even average 5,000 per game and after Alabama State beat them in 2002, they dropped the one classic(River City Classic) which has the highest attendance ever for the new stadium and HBCU...Tennessee State was the opponent when the new stadium opened and drew a capacity crowd in excess of 22K...in the old stadium, TnState was the best draw and Alcorn(with Air McNair in 1995) was the 2nd best draw...it's the good ole' boys(in UTC's Admin) that want the crowd but they can't stand to get their butt kicked by an HBCU...you are right on point with us making an impact on the future of Black College Football
 
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