ASU In No Shape To Make FBS Move


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http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20120511/SPORTS0403/305110006?odyssey=mod|mostcom

ASU can’t make that jump.

I’m sorry to be the bearer of reality, but it’s true. The school doesn’t have the financial support required to compete with even the lowliest of the FBS bottom-dwellers.

That’s not speculation or opinion. It’s a cold, hard fact.

In 2010, according to numbers ASU reported to the NCAA, the school spent just more than $9 million to operate its entire athletic department. That’s a paltry figure in the world of major college athletics. Texas spent more on just team travel and equipment.
But the biggest reason isn’t the total amount spent, it’s the number in the “contributions†category that tells the story.

“Contributions†is the sum total of all financial donations from big-money boosters who give to the athletic programs. Your Bobby Lowders. Your Paul Bryants. The guys who park in the nice donor spots right by the stadium on Saturdays and entertain in a luxury suite during the game. The guys who buy blocks of basketball tickets and never attend a game.

At the University of Alabama, those guys forked over more than $33 million in donations in 2010. Auburn’s boosters contributed $29 million. Troy’s gave $2.25 million. And UAB’s handed out more than $3 million.
And ASU? $109,506.

Nick Saban has that much in his couch cushions.

Of ASU’s athletic department operating budget, more than 72 percent (in excess of $6.5 million) was funded by the institution itself. Contributions and ticket sales accounted for less than 10 percent of department’s revenue.

You can’t compete at the FBS level with those numbers. And the reality is, they’re not going to improve.

Again, I base this statement on facts.

ASU’s attendance for football — the largest revenue-producing sport at the school — has remained rather steady over the past decade. For six of those 10 years, it has averaged from just more than 11,000 fans to just more than 12,000. There was a spike to more than 15,000 in 2008, and in 2009, a strange dip to about 6,000.

Total it all up, do a little long division, carry the one and you get: An average of about 11,500 fans per year attending ASU football games. That doesn’t cut it.
 



It's pretty much a given that with the small budget schools you're either going to have to hike your student athletics fees or have boosters. But damn, only $109K worth of contributions though? Only way I could see this really changing is if they find a way to pack out the new stadium every home game. I would've said get payout games from BCS teams but with the bowl system coming to an end I don't think those games are going to be an option much longer for FCS teams.

Oddly though, it seems like Montgomery doesn't support Bama State athletics much. Well I dont know about now but at least they didn't when I was down there. That's one of the biggest issues with their attendance, most folks don't stay in Montgomery when they graduate from there and the locals don't show up.
 
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http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20120511/SPORTS0403/305110006?odyssey=mod|mostcom

ASU can’t make that jump.

I’m sorry to be the bearer of reality, but it’s true. The school doesn’t have the financial support required to compete with even the lowliest of the FBS bottom-dwellers.

That’s not speculation or opinion. It’s a cold, hard fact.

In 2010, according to numbers ASU reported to the NCAA, the school spent just more than $9 million to operate its entire athletic department. That’s a paltry figure in the world of major college athletics. Texas spent more on just team travel and equipment.
But the biggest reason isn’t the total amount spent, it’s the number in the “contributions†category that tells the story.

“Contributions†is the sum total of all financial donations from big-money boosters who give to the athletic programs. Your Bobby Lowders. Your Paul Bryants. The guys who park in the nice donor spots right by the stadium on Saturdays and entertain in a luxury suite during the game. The guys who buy blocks of basketball tickets and never attend a game.

At the University of Alabama, those guys forked over more than $33 million in donations in 2010. Auburn’s boosters contributed $29 million. Troy’s gave $2.25 million. And UAB’s handed out more than $3 million.
And ASU? $109,506.

Nick Saban has that much in his couch cushions.

Of ASU’s athletic department operating budget, more than 72 percent (in excess of $6.5 million) was funded by the institution itself. Contributions and ticket sales accounted for less than 10 percent of department’s revenue.

You can’t compete at the FBS level with those numbers. And the reality is, they’re not going to improve.

Again, I base this statement on facts.

ASU’s attendance for football — the largest revenue-producing sport at the school — has remained rather steady over the past decade. For six of those 10 years, it has averaged from just more than 11,000 fans to just more than 12,000. There was a spike to more than 15,000 in 2008, and in 2009, a strange dip to about 6,000.

Total it all up, do a little long division, carry the one and you get: An average of about 11,500 fans per year attending ASU football games. That doesn’t cut it.

And you cant tell an ASU person that they are spitting in the wind. 109K? Really?
The stupidest part was building a 33K seat stadium for a 11K fan base, IN A GOOD YEAR. But ASU folks want us to believe that every suite at ASU is sold out for thousands of dollars. Anybode that would spend more than $15 to see an ASU game is silly.
 
It's pretty much a given that with the small budget schools you're either going to have to hike your student athletics fees or have boosters. But damn, only $109K worth of contributions though? Only way I could see this really changing is if they find a way to pack out the new stadium every home game. I would've said get payout games from BCS teams but with the bowl system coming to an end I don't think those games are going to be an option much longer for FCS teams.

Oddly though, it seems like Montgomery doesn't support Bama State athletics much. Well I dont know about now but at least they didn't when I was down there. That's one of the biggest issues with their attendance, most folks don't stay in Montgomery when they graduate from there and the locals don't show up.

So, GR was right. We should expect to see that new stadium of yours looking like this

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on game Saturdays.
 
But ASU folks want us to believe that every suite at ASU is sold out for thousands of dollars.
not only those, but so are large sections of the lower level too.

carry on....

and no quotes in that article, just a rehash of old numbers from previous years.


GO HORNETS!
 
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It's pretty much a given that with the small budget schools you're either going to have to hike your student athletics fees or have boosters. But damn, only $109K worth of contributions though? Only way I could see this really changing is if they find a way to pack out the new stadium every home game. I would've said get payout games from BCS teams but with the bowl system coming to an end I don't think those games are going to be an option much longer for FCS teams.

Oddly though, it seems like Montgomery doesn't support Bama State athletics much. Well I dont know about now but at least they didn't when I was down there. That's one of the biggest issues with their attendance, most folks don't stay in Montgomery when they graduate from there and the locals don't show up.

I think they are using Troy as a model, but Troy had two distinct advantages. Troy could raise a lot of money and had friendly public organizations. Even though people would not attend Troy's games, they gave lots of money. Troy used to--and probably still do--get contributitions from businesses in Montgomery, Troy, Dothan, Ozark and Enterprise. Even the City of Troy gave money to help expand the stadium and build the weight room. Sanders Trucking Company gave it money to help make the move to FBS. Troy had few fans at the gams, but the program had enough money to be competitive on any level it played.

Troy also had a coaching staff that could be competitive on any level. It did not suffer large blowouts when it made the move because the coaches had experience at the new level. I am not sold on Barlow's staff at the higher level.
 
not only those, but so are large sections of the lower level too.

carry on....

and no quotes in that article, just a rehash of old numbers from previous years.


GO HORNETS!

MH

Let me help you with something. Ive read articles on this board about the progress of ticket sales for the new stadium. Each article says that the suites and tickets are almost sold out. Here's the help part. Thats a MARKETING PLOY to scare people into buying tickets. This whole while your tickets have been ALMOST sold out.

The culture for that area just does not support ASU averaging more than 15K per year. You just dont have the fan base or the interest. the black people in Alabama are more interested in Auburn and Alabama than Bama State. You guys are an afterthought or a necessary evil for higher education in Alabama

GR wishes you the best though....Im going to take the high road on this one.
 
MH

Let me help you with something. Ive read articles on this board about the progress of ticket sales for the new stadium. Each article says that the suites and tickets are almost sold out. Here's the help part. Thats a MARKETING PLOY to scare people into buying tickets. This whole while your tickets have been ALMOST sold out.
:smh:
if you say so bruh. I guess it's a MARKETING PLOY when sections are sold out. Not just in articles. But on the site to buy tickets.


and the 15K number you seem to knock would be half the stadium accounted for in season ticket sales. Not bad at all.

GO HORNETS!
 
MH

Let me help you with something. Ive read articles on this board about the progress of ticket sales for the new stadium. Each article says that the suites and tickets are almost sold out. Here's the help part. Thats a MARKETING PLOY to scare people into buying tickets. This whole while your tickets have been ALMOST sold out.

The culture for that area just does not support ASU averaging more than 15K per year. You just dont have the fan base or the interest. the black people in Alabama are more interested in Auburn and Alabama than Bama State. You guys are an afterthought or a necessary evil for higher education in Alabama

GR wishes you the best though....Im going to take the high road on this one.

I guess you mean the high point of the low road....just so sad!
 
Its a new Staduim, people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff.. if they win then they will come back the following week.. When alcorn opened their staduim, it stayed packed until that 0-11 season.
also black folk love staunting, so it is very possible that those suits are gone.. heck im trying to get my hand on a suite at TxSU for the Grambling game..
 
WOW... so they want to compare AlaState to Texas and Alabama. That was real dumb. How about comparing them to Troy, UAB, Middle TN State, UL-Monroe, etc.. Everyone wants to keep suggesting that it takes a gazillion dollars to move, it doesn't. I don't believe ASU or any HBCU can move up alone BUT I would not base my reasoning on how much money Alabama and Michigan spend. You need to look at the potential revenue streams they would be able to tap into that they don't have access to now and compare that to how much they would have to spend. You can't put a real price on better athletes, better coaches, TV revenue, 1-A home games, higher 1-A payouts, sponsorships and merchandising that would come with a move to 1-A. Besides, it's not always where you are now. It's where you want to be in 10 to 20 years.
 
Its a new Staduim, people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff.. if they win then they will come back the following week.. When alcorn opened their staduim, it stayed packed until that 0-11 season.
also black folk love staunting, so it is very possible that those suits are gone.. heck im trying to get my hand on a suite at TxSU for the Grambling game..

Alcorn has never understood the concept that the entire stadium is theirs. They believe they have a visitor side as if they are a high school.
 
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WOW... so they want to compare AlaState to Texas and Alabama. That was real dumb. How about comparing them to Troy, UAB, Middle TN State, UL-Monroe, etc.. Everyone wants to keep suggesting that it takes a gazillion dollars to move, it doesn't. I don't believe ASU or any HBCU can move up alone BUT I would not base my reasoning on how much money Alabama and Michigan spend. You need to look at the potential revenue streams they would be able to tap into that they don't have access to now and compare that to how much they would have to spend. You can't put a real price on better athletes, better coaches, TV revenue, 1-A home games, higher 1-A payouts, sponsorships and merchandising that would come with a move to 1-A. Besides, it's not always where you are now. It's where you want to be in 10 to 20 years.
:tup::tup:

stroke said:
people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff.
:tup::tup:
 



I hope ASU gets it together to make that move
Maybe Josh copied the numbers down wrong and ASU is in better financial shape.
 
Its a new Staduim, people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff.. if they win then they will come back the following week.. When alcorn opened their staduim, it stayed packed until that 0-11 season.
also black folk love staunting, so it is very possible that those suits are gone.. heck im trying to get my hand on a suite at TxSU for the Grambling game..

Exactly, some folk I see gets mad when they can't get nothing new of their own..:shame::shame:..Folk love to be negative if they don't have it.....Best wishes to Alabama State and their new home!!:tup::tup::tup:
 
Its a new Staduim, people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff..

I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. The first game there is going to be great tho. It won't be new anymore the next time they play in it. :lol:
 
Its a new Staduim, people will come to the games, Black folk love new stuff.. if they win then they will come back the following week.. When alcorn opened their staduim, it stayed packed until that 0-11 season.
also black folk love staunting, so it is very possible that those suits are gone.. heck im trying to get my hand on a suite at TxSU for the Grambling game..

that "new" thing will work for about a year or two... Lets use your alma mater for example.. what was the average attendance the 1st and second season GSUs beautiful arena was built? Did it go up or down or stay the same? As far as suites, I believe they are sold out at Bama State.... AAMU's 21 luxury suites are sold out every year.
 
You sound really stupid brah..u really do.....

I'm just stating the facts. You only have 22K seats in your WHOLE stadium. How can you get a visitor in there? Oh, cause it's never packed. Ya'll call it a packed stadium when 70% of the press box side gets full.
 
AAMU's 21 luxury suites are sold out every year.

I see we need so luxury suites added to Memorial Palace. :lol:

i don't see "new" meaning much here. BUT I am hopeful that ASU is planning for the future in some regard. I just don't see how if your fans didn't want to come to to see JSU, SU or GSU in Crampton Bowl what would make them want to come out to see them in the new Hornet stadium. If Crampton was ever sold out, I would be able to say that ASU has a fan base to tap into but when you open the gates and winning season or losing season, you are looking at 10K fans, i don't see where you will get an additional 10K from on a weekly basis. But in time, let's how they can grow into such a fan base. I wish the same thing for TxSo. If we can get JSU, SU, TxSo, and AlaState to average 20K a week, that would be great for the SWAC. But TxSo and AlaState will have to put on some STRONG marketing campaigns to get that to happen.
 
I see we need so luxury suites added to Memorial Palace. :lol:

i don't see "new" meaning much here. BUT I am hopeful that ASU is planning for the future in some regard. I just don't see how if your fans didn't want to come to to see JSU, SU or GSU in Crampton Bowl what would make them want to come out to see them in the new Hornet stadium. If Crampton was ever sold out, I would be able to say that ASU has a fan base to tap into but when you open the gates and winning season or losing season, you are looking at 10K fans, i don't see where you will get an additional 10K from on a weekly basis. But in time, let's how they can grow into such a fan base. I wish the same thing for TxSo. If we can get JSU, SU, TxSo, and AlaState to average 20K a week, that would be great for the SWAC. But TxSo and AlaState will have to put on some STRONG marketing campaigns to get that to happen.

Agreed. Bama State has over 50k alums in the Montgomery metro area. I've told our AD we need to sell at least 10k season tickets to move this program forward. We will now see if those who wanted the on campus stadium will speak with their pocket books. Marketing and pricing are critical in this process.
 
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