Article: Black wealth blossoms in (the Dallas-Ft. Worth) suburbs


BILBREW said:
The City of Atlanta, much like many other cities in America, is going through gentrification. For the most part, there are areas that you can't afford to live in and then areas that you general would not wish to live in. There is very little in between, so a lot of middle-class Blacks end up in DeKalb, Clayton, Gwinnett, Cobb, etc.

I am sure Dallas is similar since most of the DFW people that I know live in the suburbs as well.
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I didn't know that atlanta was going through gentrification. Nobody ever mentions it.
 
northern tiger said:
Do black people live in the inner city of Atlanta. I only see people mention towns outside of the area. Never anything regarding a side of town.
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Yes, blacks live in the city. Most of the people who stay inside Atlanta are blacks who were born there. The out skirts of the city is made up of mostly transplants who moved there.
 



northern tiger said:
I didn't know that atlanta was going through gentrification. Nobody ever mentions it.
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The problem comes from tearing down the housing projects. It's just like what's going on in Chi-town. Most public housing inside of Atlanta are gone. When Atlanta started getting ready for the Olympics they tried to move the poor blacks out of the city. They shipped most of them out to the out skirts. The biggest problem Atlanta faces is old money versus new money. So now the out skirts of Atlanta are seeing inner city problems.
 
BILBREW said:
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To respond to EB, I hope no one gets the bright idea to move to Forsyth either. Hell, the further out from Downtown you are the more bs you are likely to have to face. That is why it kills me when Blacks run out and buy homes in Hampton, McDonough, Porterdale, etc. simply because they are cheaper.
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If one goes south on 19-41, US 23 (Hwy 42), and I-75, they will go through towns that have a lot of Black folks in them. One is Griffin where my mother was born and raised and I'll be for a reunion. It is the NE Georgia mountain towns that do not have a lot Black people living there. Middle and south Georgia are another story. Or I can say it this way. It is one thing to drive through Hancock County, which is 72% Black. It is another thing to drive through Forsyth County, which for over 75 years was 0% Black.

If ones goes north on 19 (GA 400), they will go through Cumming in Forsyth County and then Dawson County. Those places can make Vidor, Texas look like paradise for Black folks. I know. I have competed against those schools.

Now, I do not mean to change the subject and want to stay on what is happening in Dallas and Ft. Worth. I certainly do not want to turn this into a Forsyth County thread. But note that Forsyth County is north of Atlanta while Forsyth County is north of the city. But the links below describe the tense ethnic history of the county, which had mostly poor Whites. As for the marches, I was in the second march.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth_County,_Georgia

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http://roadsidegeorgia.com/county/forsyth.html

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In September, 1912, a 16 year-old Black male was accused of the rape of an 18 year-old White female. The accused male was quickly lynched by a mob of "white caps." As a result race riots erupted in both Forsyth and neighboring Dawson County. About 2,000 (est.) Blacks fled to Gainesville, a few miles to the east in Hall County. Governor Brown called out the national guard to stop the riots

For 75 years the county was characterized as being only White, however U.S. Census records dispute this claim, although the figure of Black Americans were unusually low. Twice in January, 1987, interracial groups, led by the Rev. Hosea Williams protested the county's attitude towards Blacks. The first protest met stiff resistance by militant white racists, many of whom were from outside the county. The small group of protesters were turned back. The following week Rev. Williams returned, this time with nearly 20,000 protesters of various races. This march ended peacefully.

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CEE DOG said:
The problem comes from tearing down the housing projects. It's just like what's going on in Chi-town. Most public housing inside of Atlanta are gone. When Atlanta started getting ready for the Olympics they tried to move the poor blacks out of the city. They shipped most of them out to the out skirts. The biggest problem Atlanta faces is old money versus new money. So now the out skirts of Atlanta are seeing inner city problems.
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I am not surprised. When the Democratic National Convention came to Atlanta in 1988, people pointed how so much poverty could be around so much prosperity (i.e. Herndon Homes and Lightning Bolt, a neighborhood, near the Coca-Cola building). So I guess that when the world came in '96, they did not want the same kind of reporting.
 
Panthro said:
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EB!!!!! :mad: I think u tryna' start some stuff w/ these articles bruh! :lol:
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LOL, I did not think that this thread would beat the one that I started on the Alabama Crimson Tide football and their probation.

As someone who is an engineer, I work with numbers everyday. As someone who teaches, I know that there is more meaning to the numbers than just the numbers themselves.

Vinita said:
If my kids had to go to the Intermediate school Aaron Ford's kid had attended, I'd leave Cedar Hill, too.

Shoulda sent the chirren to me @ Beltline like the other parents do. Yup. That's right, I said it. Parents put in transfer requests to our school, then request ME SPECIFICALLY. So, say what ya wanna about the state of public school education. I'm doing MY damned job.

Let 'em get out there to Coppell with them cutthroat crackers and Asians, and them teachers who only give a dayum about their own and the school board kids, and their kids will get that great, academically "rigorous" education, aight ... and a whole bunch dayumed more ...
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I do not know about the Dallas-Ft. Worth area schools. But I do know this. Still in 2005 some folks will have to learn the hard way.
 
EB said:
If one goes south on 19-41, US 23 (Hwy 42), and I-75, they will go through towns that have a lot of Black folks in them. One is Griffin where my mother was born and raised and I'll be for a reunion. It is the NE Georgia mountain towns that do not have a lot Black people living there. Middle and south Georgia are another story. Or I can say it this way. It is one thing to drive through Hancock County, which is 72% Black. It is another thing to drive through Forsyth County, which for over 75 years was 0% Black.

If ones goes north on 19 (GA 400), they will go through Cumming in Forsyth County and then Dawson County. Those places can make Vidor, Texas look like paradise for Black folks. I know. I have competed against those schools.

Now, I do not mean to change the subject and want to stay on what is happening in Dallas and Ft. Worth. I certainly do not want to turn this into a Forsyth County thread. But note that Forsyth County is north of Atlanta while Forsyth County is north of the city. But the links below describe the tense ethnic history of the county, which had mostly poor Whites. As for the marches, I was in the second march.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth_County,_Georgia

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http://roadsidegeorgia.com/county/forsyth.html

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In September, 1912, a 16 year-old Black male was accused of the rape of an 18 year-old White female. The accused male was quickly lynched by a mob of "white caps." As a result race riots erupted in both Forsyth and neighboring Dawson County. About 2,000 (est.) Blacks fled to Gainesville, a few miles to the east in Hall County. Governor Brown called out the national guard to stop the riots

For 75 years the county was characterized as being only White, however U.S. Census records dispute this claim, although the figure of Black Americans were unusually low. Twice in January, 1987, interracial groups, led by the Rev. Hosea Williams protested the county's attitude towards Blacks. The first protest met stiff resistance by militant white racists, many of whom were from outside the county. The small group of protesters were turned back. The following week Rev. Williams returned, this time with nearly 20,000 protesters of various races. This march ended peacefully.

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Griffin and Spalding County as a whole is several miles south of the area which I referred to earlier(Hampton, McDonough, Locust Grove, etc.). Trust me, Henry County is still very much a White county from the cops to the schools. To be honest, most people don't even consider Griffin to be part of Metro Atlanta even though a good number of people commute from there into Atlanta for work.
 
CEE DOG said:
The problem comes from tearing down the housing projects. It's just like what's going on in Chi-town. Most public housing inside of Atlanta are gone. When Atlanta started getting ready for the Olympics they tried to move the poor blacks out of the city. They shipped most of them out to the out skirts. The biggest problem Atlanta faces is old money versus new money. So now the out skirts of Atlanta are seeing inner city problems.
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Are you saying that's where the bulk of the Atlanta folk's originally lived?
 
BILBREW said:
Trust me, Henry County is still very much a White county from the cops to the schools.
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I agree that Henry County is still a predominately white county, however the demographics are changing. Particularly the Ellenwood area that is relatively close to the tip of Dekalb County. BTW, in spite of the cost of property, I have not seen poorly maintain (in abundance) properties in Rex or Ellenwood.
 
True, Henry County is majority White, and the cops are not the nicest. (I am happy to say that I have never gotten a ticket.) But McDonough had a number of Blacks.
 
JROCK said:
I agree that Henry County is still a predominately white county, however the demographics are changing. Particularly the Ellenwood area that is relatively close to the tip of Dekalb County. BTW, in spite of the cost of property, I have not seen poorly maintain (in abundance) properties in Rex or Ellenwood.
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I lived in Rex from 2001 through the end of 2003. The homeowners kept their houses up, but the renters tended not to.

Blacks are in Ellenwood(which actually has parts in DeKalb, Clayton, and Henry), Stockbridge, and parts of McDonough, but Henry is still not a Black-friendly county at all.

It is also not a very wise place to move because you will tend to be at least 30-40 miles away from most companies. I personally will never move back to Clayton or to Henry mainly because it is not convenient to most things. They are building up down there, but that doesn't negate having a long commute to work.
 



BILBREW said:
I lived in Rex from 2001 through the end of 2003. The homeowners kept their houses up, but the renters tended not to.

Blacks are in Ellenwood(which actually has parts in DeKalb, Clayton, and Henry), Stockbridge, and parts of McDonough, but Henry is still not a Black-friendly county at all.

It is also not a very wise place to move because you will tend to be at least 30-40 miles away from most companies. I personally will never move back to Clayton or to Henry mainly because it is not convenient to most things. They are building up down there, but that doesn't negate having a long commute to work.
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:tup:
 
BILBREW said:
What is the job market like in Dallas these days?
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I think the job market is tough just like anywhere else right now. But I'll say one thing, I used to hate it here in Dallas when I first came from New Orleans; now since I've moved south of downtown to Desoto I like it alot more. I just enjoy living around majority people, no *****s just black people.
 
geezy76 said:
I think the job market is tough just like anywhere else right now. But I'll say one thing, I used to hate it here in Dallas when I first came from New Orleans; now since I've moved south of downtown to Desoto I like it alot more. I just enjoy living around majority people, no *****s just black people.
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:nod:

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Maybe I'm on the other end of the spectrum, and I've wondered (out loud) about this from time to time. And since we're discussing it, I'll wonder out loud some more:

I grew-up in Jackson. And went to 1st grade in the fall of '75, right when integration was really settling into the Jackson Public School System. The '75-'76 school year was the first year that school faculty had 'equality' ratios, meaning there were white teachers put into black schools. My neighborhood school was H.T. Watkins, on the corner of Northside and Watkins. And it was a good school. And I had some good teachers (like Vinita). And I made good grades. I tested and was accepted into the Open Doors program (the Gifted class) and had a wonderful teacher named Barbara Chapman.

But between the 3rd and 4th grade, Ms. Chapman (who is white) got transferred to Mary L. Boyd school. This school was in the white neighborhood, and they were starting to bus black kids there. My parents trasnsferred me from Watkins to Boyd. One reason was Ms. Chapman, and another reason was that Mrs. K.B. Nolan (Fred's mom) was a teacher there. I enjoyed going to Boyd, and interacted with white kids. I learned that they were really no different than I was. I learned to compete academically with them, and didn't fear them or concede to them. I also made some life-long friends along the way.

I went from Boyd to Chastain and on to Callaway. And while I'm a proud product of public education, I think being in an multi-racial setting helped me tremendously.


~~~~~now we fast-forward to today~~~~~


I live in Irving. In Valley Ranch. And it's very progressive out here, with a lot of nationalities and races represented. And my daughter Jessica went to Tom Landry Elem School (C-FB ISB). And I loved her school. I wasn't too crazy about her 1st grade teacher (Ms. Borchers), but I loved the fact that her classroom was a perfect melting pot. There were whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, indians, arabs and even a polka-dotted kid. And they all got along. And Jessica made a ton of friends, and I have to believe that she (Jessica) didn't 'see' color. She never described any of her classmates based on their color. Now, she did sometimes categorize them based on their nationality, but never their color.

But when she and her mom moved back to Jackson, Jessica now goes to North Jackson Elem, which is about 96% black. And from what I've heard, NJ is one of the better (performing) schools in the JPS District, but I was worried that she would somehow be 'short-changed' by being (now) in an environment that was totally different from the one in Texas. And it was clear that she was (by far) the smartest kid in her class. But then we started hearing Jessica make references to people's color. When watching TV, she'd make little comments about so-n-so being white, or so-n-so being black. And she'd never done this before... She even commented once saying that there were only X-number of blacks on a show...

Am I right in wanting her to come back to Texas and go to school? Thinking the melting-pot of C-FB ISD is better for her than the nearly all-black JPS???

Or is she just growing and learning to distinguish people based on race, how 'we' do sometimes. :(

Affluent or not, I want what's best for my child. I just wonder is she getting that now. Or if she was getting it (here) then.....
 
Taylor-Made'90 said:



Am I right in wanting her to come back to Texas and go to school? Thinking the melting-pot of C-FB ISD is better for her than the nearly all-black JPS???

Or is she just growing and learning to distinguish people based on race, how 'we' do sometimes. :(

Affluent or not, I want what's best for my child. I just wonder is she getting that now. Or if she was getting it (here) then.....
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When you say ?Best? for your child, to what are you referring?
Do you mean you want to afford your child all the opportunities available
In life to be successful & by attending a racially diverse school those opportunities are there by default?

Educational success comes from a combination of inside classroom & outside classroom
experiences.

There?s no guarantee your child won?t be ignored, and simply passed along at the
?racially diverse? school, or that she won?t be successful at an all black school.

With you as a seemingly concerned father, that will stay on top of things, I?m sure your daughter will be successful wherever.

Remember, not only the media, but also our own black people are quick to
Report or talk about the stereotypical negative things in life, thereby making you unaware of the positives.


You named some schools up there but the 12 doctors, 8 lawyers, 32 PhDs, & 5 CPA?s
I know graduated from schools like Jim Hill, Lanier, & Provine..Hmmm Go figure.

Success is more of an individual journey, no school can guarantee you success simply by just being there.
 
Someone mentioned how the neighborhood went down when the "RENTERS" moved in. I would say it is not the RENTERS, but the "BUYERS" who are able to buy with all these new loan programs.

Many people are able to buy $120K homes with bad credit and no money down, simple because banks are simply throwing loans out there. When you, IMO, have F'ed up your credit, done nothing to repair it, and put $0 down on a $120K home, then you don't have the same PRIDE OWNERSHIP as a person who has a 700 credit scrore and put down $10K with some other form of saving (retirement, stocks, bonds, etc.).

I experienced this in my old neighborhood. There wasn't many buyers, but after the 1st generations of buyers moved out, then the 2nd/3rd buyers simply did not take care of the house. Forecloser rates went up, and property values went down. It really wasn't the RENTERS.
 
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