An APR Question?


I have been trying to find a Frank Deford commentary on the resources that the big schools have in order to keep their athletes eligible and APR high. Since the '80s and maybe the late '70s, the big schools have been able to afford high priced tutors to keep players eligible.

I am all for athletes going to class and realize that not everyone will be in pro ball, coach, athletes, GM, scout, VP, president, or owner. I am still of the opinion that this was setup to where the big school could benifit the most.
 
But what was Wall's major? If it was General Studies then he should have had a 4.0.



JR said:
That kid is a pretty smart kid. John Wall at Kentucky had a 4.0 his freshman year. Now one thing folks don't realize is all these teams keep enough towel wavers on the sideline that go to class and graduate. Look at that Kentucky center this year. Dude was on the bench all his career. You see that all time. I will use my other school Ohio State. They lost all those guys a few years ago from being one and done. But all their bench players graduated and even Greg Oden is still taking classes there although he is gone to the NBA. So is Michael Conley Jr. Then you throw in a kid like David Lighty who was on that team who just graduated this year during his Sr year along with 4 other cats that came a year after he did. Me and my boys be laughing at all the cats who at these school for academic reasons. You got to keep some of them on your bench for football and basketball. Even if you don't have folks going pro.

Then doesn't the APR be based on the graduation rate of your student body? At most schools the athletes out graduate the student body. Hell the NCAA got a commercial bragging about that fact. The bottom line is the bigger schools will always figure a way out of the APR mess. Unless they get caught fixing grades, they make sure those kids are staying eligible while they play. But I think folks will be shocked at how many of these kids are actually graduating from these schools now. It aint as bad as it was in the 90s and 80s when none of those cats graduated. I am not talking about the kids who left early for the NFL or NBA. I am talking about kids who stay the entire time or even become 5th year Srs. Back in the day, even those kids left with no degree from a lot of those PWCs. Now you don't see that as much. They also don't recruit the Dexter Manley's of the world anymore either.
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Herbert77060,

Texas Southern University has a "General Studies" major and we place many student athletes (as well as many non-student athletes) in this major:1.) transfer student athletes to make sure they are eligible and 2.) freshman student athletes to maintain their eligibility. Some of our HBCU are accepting transfer grades of D’s for credits in quest to win. So, ultimately, it does not matter the NCAA/NAIA operational alignment, there are some institutions (HBCU’s and PWCs) that are going to go above and beyond to win at any cost. I actually lecture a 3-hour credit course over a week that provides the history of the "General Studies" major. It is an interesting framework.
 
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Jafus (Thinker) said:
Herbert77060,

Texas Southern University has a "General Studies" major and we place many student athletes (as well as many non-student athletes) in this major:1.) transfer student athletes to make sure they are eligible and 2.) freshman student athletes to maintain their eligibility. Some of our HBCU are excepting transfer grades of D’s for credits in quest to win. So, ultimately, it does not matter the NCAA/NAIA operational alignment, there are some institutions (HBCU’s and PWCs) that are going to go above and beyond to win at any cost. I actually lecture a 3-hour credit course over a week that provides the history of the "General Studies" major. It is an interesting framework.
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Bama State and A&M do not accept Ds or development courses as transfer credits. Last year there were several dominant players who were denied admission to Bama State playing for conference schools.
 
I am just trying to get a grip on how (and why) the PWCs are escaping the APR "trap". If an athlete leaves early it should either count or not count against a school's APR. Logic tells me that if a kid goes to a school with no intention of staying but is only there (in the case of basketball players) because the NBA will not allow them in "the league" unless they have at least one year removed from their high school graduating class and their 19th birthday falls on or before the calendar year of the draft (see Automatic eligibility... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eligibility_for_the_NBA_Draft) then that child is NOT going to class. Hell, it is difficult enough to get athletes who are going to stay in school to go to class (allegedly). I know I am painting with a broad brush but I think everyone gets my drift.

So, for the most part the "one and done" players are merely showcasing their talents on the biggest stages available to them...i.e. Duke, UConn, Kansas, etc, etc, etc (my King of Siam impression) and you (plural) and I know that, for the most part, children with that mindset are not going to class.....at the very least they are not going to classes that matter.



Jafus (Thinker) said:
Herbert77060,

What is your suggestion(s) regarding the APR?
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what was Derrick Favors' major? Chris Bosh? :emlaugh:

PWCs know the loopholes hence their use of legal counsel...we had a media guide issue a few years back and they found a way around that to print more pages....
 
the band fan said:
what was Derrick Favors' major? Chris Bosh? :emlaugh:

PWCs know the loopholes hence their use of legal counsel...we had a media guide issue a few years back and they found a way around that to print more pages....
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Those cats were one and done and knew they would be. Don't matter what their major is. And if we started getting them type players we would be doing the same thing. Don't think we wouldn't. If Johnnie Cole will cheat at FCS football with left over players, just think what some coaches would do if we got stars. Corruption knows no color bruh. LOL. Ask Archie Cooley. LOL. Billy Joe......etc....
 
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