A shell of a stadium: the demise of Morris Brown's Herndon Stadium


To understand why it hurts to see MBC in such bad shape you have to be a real ATL offspring. MBC was a fixture on MLK once. It gave many residents who shaped ATL a start. The sad part is the transplants who are in Atlanta now only are out for themselves. So sad! I hate to see MoBrown as we called her fall like this. :smh:
 
mighty hornet said:
Antroy,
Most likely Ga St is building their own stadium when the braves leave turner field next season. As far as Herndon stadium being "perfectly good", they havent kept up that stadium in years. If its salvageable , it would take a LOT of money to save it.

Keno,
Youre right bout Ga St when they started football. Also the Chick Fil A foundation wanted to put a youth academy over there, but again, no dice (but that one wasnt solely because they wanted too much, it was also an issue with Clark Atl)
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Ga State is trying to purchase Turner Field and convert it into a football stadium.
 



Morris Brown demise is due to Atlanta natives on the Board of Trustees deciding to recruit a Northerner from Chicago State. Once she became in control, those same people on the BOT was not handling their due diligence and lost control of what was happening internally. The same woman they recruited felt all of them were beneath her and wouldn't disclose information to them. Then those same people went back after the damage was done to a former president from Georgia and expected him to perform a miracle. Lastly well before they recruited this woman president the natives had been sucking off of MBC bosom for years getting all the milk they could. This was not MBC's first rodeo with SACS or the DOE as these issues were going on off and on for decaded but the last incident was the final blow. An African American Woman and her protege' an Indian took MBC out both from Chi.......
 
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JROCK said:
Morris Brown demise is due to Atlanta natives on the Board of Trustees deciding to recruit a Northerner from Chicago State. Once she became in control, those same people on the BOT was not handling their due diligence and lost control of what was happening internally. The same woman they recruited felt all of them were beneath her and wouldn't disclose information to them. Then those same people went back after the damage was done to a former president from Georgia and expected him to perform a miracle. Lastly well before they recruited this woman president the natives had been sucking off of MBC bosom for years getting all the milk they could. This was not MBC's first rodeo with SACS or the DOE as these issues were going on off and on for decaded but the last incident was the final blow. An African American Woman and her protege' an Indian took MBC out both from Chi.......
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And some black folks like to blame whites for everything......
 
JROCK said:
Morris Brown demise is due to Atlanta natives on the Board of Trustees deciding to recruit a Northerner from Chicago State. Once she became in control, those same people on the BOT was not handling their due diligence and lost control of what was happening internally. The same woman they recruited felt all of them were beneath her and wouldn't disclose information to them. Then those same people went back after the damage was done to a former president from Georgia and expected him to perform a miracle. Lastly well before they recruited this woman president the natives had been sucking off of MBC bosom for years getting all the milk they could. This was not MBC's first rodeo with SACS or the DOE as these issues were going on off and on for decaded but the last incident was the final blow. An African American Woman and her protege' an Indian took MBC out both from Chi.......
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Yep that was the final straw, but even after that, there has been ridiculous decision after decision that has been made by the Board that could have helped bring the College back. As others have mentioned there have been offers to use the stadium and offers to funnel money into the school that would have at least stabilized it and brought it back. I think the last people to use the stadium was the Atlanta Beat, a women's professional soccer team for a couple of seasons. Attendance was low, because of the location and the team moved out to Kennesaw State, who had built a stadium and then I think the league folded. Enrollment has finally dwindled, but up until a few years ago they were still having classes and commencements at an unaccredited school. Never could figure why a person would go there. :noidea: But I think last year they couldn't pay the instructors and had to cut faculty and staff to very little (like 10 - 12 people). The alumni still are some what active. They still have a homecoming every fall and other events. Now I think the biggest gathering on campus is the ATL Greek Picnic during the summer.

But DaHill support those folks, they're just trying to raise funds to keep the memory alive. They're always there. I'm surprised somebody didn't have a band uniform out there!
 
Bengal E said:
Yep that was the final straw, but even after that, there has been ridiculous decision after decision that has been made by the Board that could have helped bring the College back. As others have mentioned there have been offers to use the stadium and offers to funnel money into the school that would have at least stabilized it and brought it back. I think the last people to use the stadium was the Atlanta Beat, a women's professional soccer team for a couple of seasons. Attendance was low, because of the location and the team moved out to Kennesaw State, who had built a stadium and then I think the league folded. Enrollment has finally dwindled, but up until a few years ago they were still having classes and commencements at an unaccredited school. Never could figure why a person would go there. :noidea: But I think last year they couldn't pay the instructors and had to cut faculty and staff to very little (like 10 - 12 people). The alumni still are some what active. They still have a homecoming every fall and other events. Now I think the biggest gathering on campus is the ATL Greek Picnic during the summer.

But DaHill support those folks, they're just trying to raise funds to keep the memory alive. They're always there. I'm surprised somebody didn't have a band uniform out there!
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That's not entirely true. You're only looking at a very small part of the puzzle. Morris Brown debt far exceeded what those miscellaneous sources of revenue could do for the school. The AME church has propped up MBC as much as they could, but with the type of budget MBC formerly had and the type of debt they accumulated over the years, it wasn't/isn't a simple task. They've restructured debt, loss assets from defaults and finally filed for relief and restructure via federal bankruptcy. Only heaven knows what is next. Enrollment dwindled a very long time ago (as soon as the following semester after the accreditation debacle). I don't think the intent was/is to keep it open as a "memory." There has been all kind of efforts to regain accreditation even through different entities. They have also done some debt settlement with the intent of eliminating that facet of their accreditation obstacle. There has been a lot of things working there for a very long time and I'm sure their braintrust is doing their best under dire circumstances. I'm sure mistakes have been made in the aftermath of all of this though.
 
Bane said:
The SWAC should have voted them in. Assuming they would have kept their accreditation it would have been a win-win for both. It amazing how we turned our back on our own when they are down instead of trying to help out.
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Nah.. they knew the hammer was about to drop. The SWAC wanted them but I think you have to turnover financial records, etc... and the Presidents obviously saw something they didn't like.
 
Bengal E said:
Yep that was the final straw, but even after that, there has been ridiculous decision after decision that has been made by the Board that could have helped bring the College back. As others have mentioned there have been offers to use the stadium and offers to funnel money into the school that would have at least stabilized it and brought it back. I think the last people to use the stadium was the Atlanta Beat, a women's professional soccer team for a couple of seasons. Attendance was low, because of the location and the team moved out to Kennesaw State, who had built a stadium and then I think the league folded. Enrollment has finally dwindled, but up until a few years ago they were still having classes and commencements at an unaccredited school. Never could figure why a person would go there. :noidea: But I think last year they couldn't pay the instructors and had to cut faculty and staff to very little (like 10 - 12 people). The alumni still are some what active. They still have a homecoming every fall and other events. Now I think the biggest gathering on campus is the ATL Greek Picnic during the summer.

But DaHill support those folks, they're just trying to raise funds to keep the memory alive. They're always there. I'm surprised somebody didn't have a band uniform out there!
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I am not taking any sides but again, just because they got offers didn't mean they got fair offers. I bet HALF of the offers came in the form or trying to use Mo Brown. I can't see them turning down money.. maybe they did. Most people don't think things thru. We used to have people on here who thought ALL home games made money as if there were no expenses to hosting a home game.

I think we all had hopes that MoBrown would come back but it's been so long now that as many have mentioned, the campus is in ruin. Even the stadium has been raided by crackheads who stole all the copper pipes, etc...
 
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Tigerpride said:
Nah.. they knew the hammer was about to drop. The SWAC wanted them but I think you have to turnover financial records, etc... and the Presidents obviously saw something they didn't like.
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My best guess is adverse audits........
 
Tigerpride said:
I am not taking any sides but again, just because they got offers didn't mean they got fair offers. I bet HALF of the offers came in the form or trying to use Mo Brown. I can't see them turning down money.. maybe they did most people don't think things thru. We used to have people on here who thought ALL home games made money as if there were no expenses to hosting a home game.

I think we all had hopes that MoBrown would come back but it's been so long now that as many have mentioned, the campus is in ruin. Even the stadium has been raided by crackheads who stole all the copper pipes, etc...
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True......my guess though is it was thought through and it wasn't beneficial to them.
 
I was a student taking classes at Clark Atlanta when Morris Brown closed. Now I believe in open enrollment... but that school was CROOKED. It was like a bigger HOOD high school. Nothing but fights and thugs on their campus. I KNEW it wouldnt last long.
 
DAHILL said:
I was a student taking classes at Clark Atlanta when Morris Brown closed. Now I believe in open enrollment... but that school was CROOKED. It was like a bigger HOOD high school. Nothing but fights and thugs on their campus. I KNEW it wouldnt last long.
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MBC was around for 100 years. MBC had some great student from around the country that was matriculating there when they loss their accreditation. CAU isn't any crystal stairs (thanks Langston). :lol: :emlaugh:
 
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JROCK said:
Morris Brown demise is due to Atlanta natives on the Board of Trustees deciding to recruit a Northerner from Chicago State. Once she became in control, those same people on the BOT was not handling their due diligence and lost control of what was happening internally. The same woman they recruited felt all of them were beneath her and wouldn't disclose information to them. Then those same people went back after the damage was done to a former president from Georgia and expected him to perform a miracle. Lastly well before they recruited this woman president the natives had been sucking off of MBC bosom for years getting all the milk they could. This was not MBC's first rodeo with SACS or the DOE as these issues were going on off and on for decaded but the last incident was the final blow. An African American Woman and her protege' an Indian took MBC out both from Chi.......
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That's why I don't trust outsiders on our BOT.

Folks wanna say, "well we need some new blood!"

New doesn't always mean BETTER.
 
2kool said:
That's why I don't trust outsiders on our BOT.

Folks wanna say, "well we need some new blood!"

New doesn't always mean BETTER.
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AAMU has a state run board or do ya'll have your own board like Alabama State? In Mississippi, we have ONE board that runs all of the schools.
 
Tigerpride said:
AAMU has a state run board or do ya'll have your own board like Alabama State? In Mississippi, we have ONE board that runs all of the schools.
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We have our own board. I dont know how things would function if there was one board that ran all the schools lol
 



JROCK said:
MBC was around for 100 years. MBC had some great student from around the country that was matriculating there when they loss their accreditation. CAU isn't any crystal stairs (thanks Langston). :lol: :emlaugh:
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the difference between CAU students and Morris Brown students were easily night and day. You could easily LOOK at someone and tell if they went to Morris Brown... Now I can only speak from 2000-2002. I dont know anything about school before then. Keep in mind I use to drive the AUC shuttle bus, so I was around all the AUC schools everyday... Ive seen it all.
 
Tigerpride said:
AAMU has a state run board or do ya'll have your own board like Alabama State? In Mississippi, we have ONE board that runs all of the schools.
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I'll put it to you like this: 11 board members, 3 alums, and the president is the Governor.
 
SWAC schools need to look at the Mo Brown scenario and learn from their tragedy on how misplaced priorities can kill a school. Point blank Mo Brown was not taking care of business. It's also really sad to hear people say "they had a good band though." :shame:
 
JROCK said:
MBC was around for 100 years. MBC had some great student from around the country that was matriculating there when they loss their accreditation. CAU isn't any crystal stairs (thanks Langston). :lol: :emlaugh:
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Nice way of quoting Langston Hughes.
 
DAHILL said:
the difference between CAU students and Morris Brown students were easily night and day. You could easily LOOK at someone and tell if they went to Morris Brown... Now I can only speak from 2000-2002. I dont know anything about school before then. Keep in mind I use to drive the AUC shuttle bus, so I was around all the AUC schools everyday... Ive seen it all.
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lol....... You sound stupid...I had to look twice, that sounds like something TP would post.
 
Philly Jag said:
SWAC schools need to look at the Mo Brown scenario and learn from their tragedy on how misplaced priorities can kill a school. Point blank Mo Brown was not taking care of business. It's also really sad to hear people say "they had a good band though." :shame:
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WOW....
 
DAHILL said:
Were you a part of the Olive Branch? If not you can't comment on it.
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Nope, just know you don't know what you're talking about. Really? You can tell what school all of those kids attended based on how they looked? You my friend are a......eerrrhhh not telling the truth. :lol: :emlaugh:

We have talked about the "typecasting" that goes on in the AUC before in this forum. I agree that Morehouse and Spelman recruit students with higher GPA(s) on a percetage baisis. However, I have met and seen some unsavory folks from every school in the AUC. What I also know is you had kids at MBC during the time that you're speaking of that did't give CAU a thought and went straight to Morehouse and Spelman when MBC had their accreditation issues. That's not to say there wasn't kids that went to CAU or Georgia State among other places on a higher scale. While I agree that there were some "thugs" at MBC, they did not hold a monopoly on that in the AUC.

The last thing and then I will leave it alone. MBC was the crown jewel of the AME church that have several HBCU(s). You had legacy as well as "well to do" students that attended that school and did'nt see that mess coming. I'm pretty sure there were some students that were much better off financially and academically than some students attending CAU. That's the reason why I think the eyeball test is crazy.........
 
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