A Serious Thread About JSU Football


Dr. Sweet NUPE

Dr. Sweet NUPE

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For the JSU people...what is the real problem with your program? Now I would love for Grambling or other SWAC Teams to blow you guys out but I would much rather have a good game. I noticed yesterday that the pocket collapsed and it was up to Kent to make a play. Also, your corners seem to just give up once the pass was completed and expected the Safetys to make the tackle.
 
NUPE

Do not worry; JSU will have a loosing season. They might win three or four game s this season [3-9]. You can count the G-Men, FAMU, Bama State, and A&M as a loss.

Their OL Sucks.
 



While I agree that JSU is at a point of no return and certainly in for a losing season, I predict that they will upset one of the contenders for the Swac crown in Jackson.
 
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Originally posted by SlickPartna
The fans weigh in...
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Hey! My quote made the paper!

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(North Carolina A&T reader): I would like to thank Bell for attempting to install an unpopular, flawed offensive attack with the wrong personnel. When I read about it last spring, I was hoping the philosophy would stick until at least the second game of the season. I am so glad the talents of Robert Kent, Tim Manning, and Chris Jones went underutilized last Saturday.
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But anyway, looking at the stats, Bell does seem to be changing. 51 yards on 30 rushing plays, 327 passing yards on 51 passing plays. No INTs. I didnt follow the game itself since I was in Vegas, but the stats seem to show a shift in offensive philosophy. Could the problem now be that it's too late and the players have lost faith in him, even though he is now doing what they wanted him to do all along?
 
Though some of the responses thus far have been ignorant, it is a good question from my frat. The problem with our program is that Hughes and Asberry destroyed it. Had they remained, I am not so sure if we would be better than 0-3 or not because they always had poor special teams and too many turnovers. Those things are still haunting JSU right now. What Bell is doing is almost like a deprograming/re-programming pledge period. What is happening right now is only a reflection of what Hughes and company did to our program once Big Daddy and Shannon left. Shannon should have been promoted to HC but black people are to racist to do the right thing sometimes.

Whether Bell is the right coach for this team or not still remains to be seen. Regardless of what is happening right now, we had to get rid of Hughes. Bell is simply doing things a different way. Hughes got away with wins over sorry SU and TNState teams and had winning seasons based on luck and the arm of Kent. You see what happens when our o-line has to actually block and develop plays. Hughes has set us back.


Brandmasta,

Don't be too excited about those stats. TNState is not a good team and that makes me worry even more since a team with no offense (AAMU) scored that many points on them. A&T got drug by SU so our only measuring stick thus far in the season was against NW State. I think Bell is going to have to now just focus on trying to win and try to instill discipline and fundamentals along the way. He could benefit from that a lot because we only have 12 seniors on the team this year. Look at how sorry SU was last year under a new system. They are looking a lot better now.
 
Brandmasta,

Your last statement sort of implies that our players are trying to lose or don't care about winning. I don't agree with that. We should have been up at least 28-7 or 21-7 on TNState in the first half. We got in the red zone 5 times I think. However, as I have already pointed out, I am not going to base the success of my offense on TNState's defense. TSU has not had a decent defense since the 80's.
 
this is not to be taken as smack, just an observation


It is downright SAD that Hughes is being blamed for everything that is wrong with your season. Bell has had a recruiting period, all of spring practice, all of fall camp, and he hasn't done a thing.

It's is just plain wrong to continue to blame this on Hughes. He has had absolutely NOTHING to do with your 2003 team. Unless, you're saying that you just don't have the players to compete! (but that would be very contrary to what has been said in the past about jsu having so much talent)

The simple fact is that against TnSt you looked just like you did in prior years. So, obviously, it aint Hughes.

just think, if you were 3-0 at this point, there wouldn't be any mention of Hughes from you.

Here's an idea-----start holding your 2003 coach and players accountable for your 2003 team!
 
MH, I am not trying to take any blame off of Bell but from looking at the game Saturday, we have a mixture of problems. But we have poor fundamentals, etc. that were not there when Hughes inherited this team. The bottomline is that Hughes had to go. He was not going to be able to continue to be lucky enough to get 7 wins becasue some of his opponents had down years. If we ever thought that he could win the SWAC, he would still be here. If he had coached for the next 10 years, he never would have won the SWAC.....and that had nothing to do with our talent but his inability to coach. Our players may have the talent but they don't have a solid foundation becasue all of them have been under the system of Hughes and Asberry. Asberry was in the paper last week saying that with his new team, he did not care if they went three and out passing every down, he would come back and do the same things. I am just happy that we are finally trying to correct what was a downward spiral. We have a lot of o-linemen but they were brought in to pass block but never taught how to. That is why even before last week, Bell has been saying that the o-line can't block. OUR COACH SEES THIS AND THAT IS A 1000% IMPROVEMENT OVER HUGHES. He sees something that Hughes never would have seen. Hughes just recruited 350 lbs linemen to take up space and do nothing else. I personally think that Bell will be a successful coach. I have always been a firm believer in the week later theory. It just takes time for things to click like when LC Cole started out 0-3 at Alabama State.

And MH, Bell only had 8 scholarships to give out so he was limited in that respect. At JSU, we don't recruit 1A transfers and JUCO's. We focus on building programs.
 
Originally posted by Tigerpride

Brandmasta,

Don't be too excited about those stats. TNState is not a good team and that makes me worry even more since a team with no offense (AAMU) scored that many points on them
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Your "team" has scored 7, 7, and 14 points over the past three weeks, and you continue to come here and talk about our offense? And you wonder why you are called the names you are on this board.


:smh:
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
this is not to be taken as smack, just an observation




Here's an idea-----start holding your 2003 coach and players accountable for your 2003 team!
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Originally posted by mighty hornet
It is downright SAD that Hughes is being blamed for everything that is wrong with your season.

Here's an idea-----start holding your 2003 coach and players accountable for your 2003 team!
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You know MH, as much as I hate to agree with you. :smh:

I have to on this.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
Unless, you're saying that you just don't have the players to compete! (but that would be very contrary to what has been said in the past about jsu having so much talent)
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That's exactly what I took from Saturday night's game.

We simply don't have the talent in the trenches where it counts. Our O-line is pathetic. We can't run block or pass block. Our D-line can't move laterally to save it's life. The bottom is falling out of the program from a personnel standpoint, and the fact that we only have 12 seniors on the team means we won't be able to quickly recruit our way out of this mess. But that's what happens when you stand pat and get complacent with 7-4 finishes against suspect competition.

Our "talent" pales in comparison to what we had just 4 years ago, and that's precisely why I blame Hughes for the state of this program. Bell has made some mistakes from a game management and playcalling standpoint (just as previous coaches made mistakes in those areas), but the difference between then and now is that we don't have horses to mask/ overcome those mistakes.

BTW, If any of you Hughes-lovers ever saw a Hughes-run practice and compared it to a Bell-run practice, there's no way in hell you'd have a favorable view of the man. But then again, I guess if my team whipped Hughes' azz every year I suppose I'd find a way to defend him and give him a :tup: as well.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Sweet NUPE
For the JSU people...what is the real problem with your program?
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On offense..................... It's a matter of trying to implement a run-first offense when you don't have the right personel to do so. This system has been recruiting players that fit it for years ........ to come in and make 100% changes in it will not work ....... The right players have to be recruited first. Until then, Bell must put in, and FULLY work on a system that involves the old and parts of his new system that he want to eventually move to...................... :cool: Just my 2 cents.
 
I can imagine that the JSU faithful have their reasons for holding Hughes responsible for some of the things that are wrong with the ship from a recruiting and organizational perspective...



however....



Take a look at how much time Bell has had this off-season to work on fundementals for the kids down there...IMHO, it boils down to a couple of simple observations of Bell and his staff that has effectively broke this season for Jackson:

1). The choice to completely chuck the offensive philosophy in place without completely evaluating the talent that was pesent within the system.

This in itself was nuts...Most coaches coming into a brand new situation evaluate the talent they inherit before they implement a system on either side of the ball. Common sense would dictate that you use your initial season as a sort of "transitional" period to start to implement some aspects of your scheme, while keeping the positive aspects of the previous scheme...That way you can evaluate where you want to go as the season progresses...

Bell did absolutely nothing to that effect and JSU is going to be paying for it for more than this season.

2). fundementals, Fundementals, Fundementals

If Bell would've taken the steps mentioned above, the entire off-season could've been used to address those glaring gaps in fundementals and special teams play...
 



Originally posted by Tigerpride
MH, I am not trying to take any blame off of Bell but from looking at the game Saturday, we have a mixture of problems. But we have poor fundamentals, etc. that were not there when Hughes inherited this team. The bottomline is that Hughes had to go. He was not going to be able to continue to be lucky enough to get 7 wins becasue some of his opponents had down years. If we ever thought that he could win the SWAC, he would still be here. If he had coached for the next 10 years, he never would have won the SWAC.....and that had nothing to do with our talent but his inability to coach. Our players may have the talent but they don't have a solid foundation becasue all of them have been under the system of Hughes and Asberry. Asberry was in the paper last week saying that with his new team, he did not care if they went three and out passing every down, he would come back and do the same things. I am just happy that we are finally trying to correct what was a downward spiral. We have a lot of o-linemen but they were brought in to pass block but never taught how to. That is why even before last week, Bell has been saying that the o-line can't block. OUR COACH SEES THIS AND THAT IS A 1000% IMPROVEMENT OVER HUGHES. He sees something that Hughes never would have seen. Hughes just recruited 350 lbs linemen to take up space and do nothing else. I personally think that Bell will be a successful coach. I have always been a firm believer in the week later theory. It just takes time for things to click like when LC Cole started out 0-3 at Alabama State.

And MH, Bell only had 8 scholarships to give out so he was limited in that respect. At JSU, we don't recruit 1A transfers and JUCO's. We focus on building programs.
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:confused:

Your current coach lack organizational skills, discipline and an open mind. This is NOT Hughes fault. Your current coach is not using the players he has correctly. Hence, he is not utilizing their strengths. Football is a game of adjustements and your coach has done a poor job of this also. None of these DETAILS have a thing to do with Hughes.
 
you people must 1st learn to understand the concept of what football really means! in the swac, i'm sorry to say, football is just pure entertainment. i don't think you could go to any conference in the ncaa and see majority of the teams spread the field every snap like you do in the swac. that's not football people! and as far as bell goes as being a coach....

the bottom line is the dude has more organizational skills than any other coach in the swac. he wants to take to the program to a different level, but can't right now, because of people like yall who think a change has to come over night. --that's virtually impossible. j-state has never been able to utilize that talent we had on the field for the past 4 years. that's why we never won a swac championship. doug williams from grambling quoted to a reporter after practice one day that "if i had j-state's talent, i'd be undefeated."

that quote goes a long way, but it also shows you how disgusted we are as true fans that our program has still yet to achieve it's full potential even though we are hated by virutally every team in the swac! every team in the swac is gunning for us! and yall know i aint lying. for instance, take a look at all the threads on the smack board. every line, every smack, eventually is directed toward j-state. every team in the swac would be quite complacent with just a win over j-state. you could loose every game of the season, but as long as you beat j-state! (why do you think that is?)........

the program will eventually rise to the top. the players will eventually give in to a new concept, and coaching philosophy. fundamentals will eventually get better. blocking, (oohhh my god!! will eventually get better!) it has no choice! just know this! even with all the hoop la about coach bell and the program, i promise you, we will win the swac!

coaching makes a big difference on any level in football. sometimes it takes time to put things in place and make them click all at once. when that does happen, the teams in the swac better look out! my vision of the program is not just to be complacent in the swac, but to get to the next level. this is not fooball we play in the swac. i'm sorry! that was made ever clear when grambling played san jose state on national t.v. how is it that even with that wide open offense grambling has, it was still not able to put points on the board against a school with basically the same talent as them. (:rolleyes:

you people must understand that a change must come. any school with lesser talent but with great fundamentals and defensive and offensive organization can beat any team with more talent. (hence valley state and delta state university!) open your eyes please people. stop worrying about j-state and where the program is headed. believe me when i say, we will be okay. "there's always a price you have to pay to be great." nothing good ever comes easy. you have to work hard and diligently to get the perfect results you desire. patience my people, patience!!
 
I ain't trying to be funny but...

I heard yesterday from JSU alumni who went to the Memphis game that JSU fans were talking about putting a car bomb in yall coaches car. If that's true that's some wild stuff.
 
Killing people???

Man that ain't nuttin' for people to even joke around about. It ain't even that serious. C'mon man. I was as angry as the next fan, but damn!

There were fans throwing stuff at Bell Saturday too.

I honestly don't think he knew what he was getting himself into when he accepted this job though. JSU is like no other when it comes to this football ish. I'm sure he didn't think the fans and alumni would be like this.... especially this soon. I'm sure Culberson forewarned him, but seeing is believing.

But things will get better. I'm positive about it.
 
I'm cosigning to everything coldsweat posted.

For MH and the others who defend Hughes, consider this:
If a program is neglected for 4 years, with even the basic things needed to keep us competitive being overlooked, what do you expect to happen? What you're seeing from a lot of Bell bashers is denial. Denial because they thought Hughes was just a bad coach, period. But Hughes was more than just bad on gameday. He failed to instill dicipline and fundamentals in these players, failed to encourage and implement any off-season work-outs, failed to encourage film study and basically created a lazze faire type atmosphere around the program. As a result, a lot of players brought in during his tenure haven't improved much since highschool, except maybe get bigger(not stronger). The only reason we've won the past 3 years is because of the skill players recruited in the Shannon/Carson and the sorry HBCU schedule we play. But that wasn't going to last forever. Eventually, you're gonna face the consequences of not taking care of business. That's what's happening now.

As for Bell, he needs to work on game management and play calling, both of which are improving week to week. But he's doing an admirable job under very trying circumstances. And he's implementing an overall plan of progress for the football team, instead of going day by day, year by year. Right now he's having to do some things that will make him unpopular in the short run, but successful in the long run.
 
Originally posted by Tigerpride
Though some of the responses thus far have been ignorant, it is a good question from my frat. The problem with our program is that Hughes and Asberry destroyed it.
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Oh my God...are you serious? I'm sorry.
*going to the private forum*


The problem is very simple.....You don't tamper with the #1 offense in Div. 1-AA. Changes were going to have to be made to the offense next year ANYWAY. WE are losing Kent and Manning. He was going to have to make adjustments next year....all he needed to do OFFENSIVLY this season was hold it in the road. The offense was already there. The passing game is no where near last year right now, because those guys are out of sink. They have not gotten the reps in practice that the did last year and in the past, which is what made them so effective. Bell came in and tampered with the offense, when his only concern, honestly should have been improving a few things on defense and improving alot on special teams.

Having said all of that....every game still has to be played. I don't know what Bell's plan will be now, but you can't have your QB handing the ball off all day every day at practice and then call passing plays at the game. That won't cut it.

LOL@the sh*t BELL has gotten himself into. I don't think he really understands how Jacksonians are about their football. Bell will have to make groceries in Alabama pretty soon. It's a good thing he has that good hair...his arse won't be able to get a haircut anywhere in the Metro area. lol. He won't even be able to go to church in Jackson. We really don't play about that sh*t. smh. A new season start Saturday...we'll just have to see.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
this is not to be taken as smack, just an observation


It is downright SAD that Hughes is being blamed for everything that is wrong with your season. Bell has had a recruiting period, all of spring practice, all of fall camp, and he hasn't done a thing.

It's is just plain wrong to continue to blame this on Hughes. He has had absolutely NOTHING to do with your 2003 team. Unless, you're saying that you just don't have the players to compete! (but that would be very contrary to what has been said in the past about jsu having so much talent)

The simple fact is that against TnSt you looked just like you did in prior years. So, obviously, it aint Hughes.

just think, if you were 3-0 at this point, there wouldn't be any mention of Hughes from you.

Here's an idea-----start holding your 2003 coach and players accountable for your 2003 team!
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CoSign.
 
Mighty Hornet, don't take that as every Jacksonians opinion. HUGHES has nothing to do with this. This is BELL's doing. I can't see how someone wouldn't see that.
 
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