2014 Strength of Schedule


So our NEW coach has a schedule with a respectable MVC school and a "alleged" cream puff but it's a bad schedule but they have two FCS HBCU's (something they've roasted other schools for playing only HBCU's) and the same VUL cream puff that they roasted Grambling for last year but it's a great schedule for their new coach?

Some people need to just play Madden instead of trying to talk football.
 



In_The_662 said:
So our NEW coach has a schedule with a respectable MVC school and a "alleged" cream puff but it's a bad schedule but they have two FCS HBCU's (something they've roasted other schools for playing only HBCU's) and the same VUL cream puff that they roasted Grambling for last year but it's a great schedule for their new coach?
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That's foolish logic.
 
My stance on 1-AA vs 1-A has AND ALWAYS WILL remain the same. I laugh when people say that our playing those schools is stepping up to the plate. Really? if you really want to step up to the plate, look at consistent top 25 1-AA or D2 teams to play.

Honestly, I think our playing 1-A teams is the cowards way out.
 
I won't count out Alcorn against Southern Miss. They have been one of the worst FBS teams the past 2 seasons, so Alcorn should have a chance in that game. Just don't make any dumb mistakes that always seem to plague our teams when we play out of conference.
 
JayRob said:
Good point, but scheduling schools like Texas College and Central State is perhaps the least path of resistance. Those schools are terrible talent-wise.
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I would hope that teams that are scheduling such teams are not expecting to get to Houston. They are just wisely trying to get wins. Players/teams have to learn how to win. That's why I don't see the point in Alcorn playing two cream puffs but I guess their coach feels that he needs to take baby steps and perhaps he is right. That 9-3 record got a lot of people fooled. If Dr. Johnny had did that, he would have had some 8 and 9 win seasons.
 
number1 said:
I won't count out Alcorn against Southern Miss. They have been one of the worst FBS teams the past 2 seasons, so Alcorn should have a chance in that game. Just don't make any dumb mistakes that always seem to plague our teams when we play out of conference.
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We have played teams far worse than USM and lost. We couldn't even beat teams like New Mexico State and San Jose State. Alcorn is gonna get drug from endzone to endzone.
 
Let TP give you all an profound statement (thanks MD)

There is a such thing as strength of schedule but it should never over-ride "sense" of schedule.

Know who your team is and the goals they want to achieve in 3-5 years and schedule accordingly.
 
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Tigerpride said:
Let TP give you all an profound statement (thanks MD)

There is a such thing as strength of schedule but it should never over-ride "sense" of schedule.

Know who your team is the goals they want to achieve in 3-5 years and schedule accordingly.
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Other than Grambling, I don't see anyone that really overscheduled. Now I definitely see some schools (PV) that really under-scheduled.
 
Tigerpride said:
We have played teams far worse than USM and lost. We couldn't even beat teams like New Mexico State and San Jose State. Alcorn is gonna get drug from endzone to endzone.
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I still think that if Alcorn plays smart, they can have a chance.
 
Tigerpride said:
My stance on 1-AA vs 1-A has AND ALWAYS WILL remain the same. I laugh when people say that our playing those schools is stepping up to the plate. Really? if you really want to step up to the plate, look at consistent top 25 1-AA or D2 teams to play.

Honestly, I think our playing 1-A teams is the cowards way out.
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And I completely agree with this. I'm not a fan of playing up either because it doesn't accurately measure just how good your team is. But that is not the same as determining a team's strength of schedule. It's a given that all teams are not equal. Some are indeed stronger than others.
 
Kenn Rashad said:
And I completely agree with this. I'm not a fan of playing up either because it doesn't accurately measure just how good your team is. But that is not the same as determining a team's strength of schedule. It's a given that all teams are not equal. Some are indeed stronger than others.
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And we know our teams only play FBS schools to balance the budget. It does look like most of the schools did schedule solid FCS teams though.
 
number1 said:
Other than Grambling, I don't see anyone that really overscheduled. Now I definitely see some schools (PV) that really under-scheduled.
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How did GRAMBLING over schedule? Lamar struggled against us last year, we could surprise a undisplined BCU team and UH is well a payday, but if we get our no-huddle offense together with our transfers, we could keep the game close in a shootout
 
GramblingMan2009 said:
How did GRAMBLING over schedule? Lamar struggled against us last year, we could surprise a undisplined BCU team and UH is well a payday, but if we get our no-huddle offense together with our transfers, we could keep the game close in a shootout
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Keep which game close? In what shootout? When is BCU undisciplined? Ya'll should have scheduled Morgan State or Savannah State.
 
The strength of schedule is on point. If one is measuring whether some scheduled games make sense, that is a deviation from SOS. I would say the probability of playing a more respectable game would certainly be with those team that scheduled FCS games. Alcorn was one of the best SWAC programs at the end of last season and I think it was a good idea to challenge themselves and schedule USM. S.U./ULL are in close proximity and it is an opener for a good fan base and challenge immediately. The biggest improvements for teams is the adjustments that are made from game 1 to game 2. Consequently, I think these were two good games to schedule. Considering Gram is in transition, I am not a big fan of them facing U of H this year (but that is just my opinion). I do like a lot of these SWAC vs FCS matchups. PV schedule is very disappointing and wreaks laziness.
 



Tigerpride said:
The only ones that really matter are the ones below. If you playing a team for a check, that is not for SOS.

Grambling State - Lamar, Bethune Cookman---
Southern - Central Methodist, Northwestern State
Alabama A&M - NCA&T, Tuskegee
Alabama State - Sam Houston St, Tennessee St, Stillman
Jackson State - Florida A&M, Tennessee St
Alcorn State -
UAPB - Texas State, Concordia (Ala)
MVSU - University of Faith, Illinois St
Prairie View A&M - McNeese St
Texas Southern - Texas College, Central State

I think I like AAMU and Alabama State's schedules the most. They scheculed challenging games on THEIR level. ASU has been a consistent program and to challenge themselves vs Sam Houston State and TNState is timely. You never know what to expect from a program like Stilman but I am sure they won't lay down for the Hornets. AAMU scheduled two teams that are solid and will need to bring their A-game to beat but they are playing teams that they CAN beat. That's the key. Playing teams like ULL, USM, etc.. serve no purpose.

Alcorn has the worst schedule. Even tho teams like Valley and TxSo also scheduled down, they needed to. Those teams need wins. I guess Alcorn's focus is just to get to Houston. Nothing else matters. Actually, I don't agree with Valley playing Illinois State but I do recall that they were one of the worst 1-AA programs a few years ago so that may not be so bad for Valley. I don't like JSU playing UVL, but FAMU and TNState are perfect OOC games for a new staff and our expectations. PV vs McNeese could be interesting.

It's not always about SOS. Its about scheduling teams that will let you know where you stand. ADs should schedule SMART. Grambling has no business on the field with ANY of their OOC opponents. They should have scheduled three D2 teams.

In that regard, I think I like (not considering SOS)

1. Alabama State
2. AAMU
3. TxSO
4. JSU
5. SU
6. Valley
7. PV
8. UAPB
9. Grambling
10. Alcorn
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You stay worried bout ole Alcorn huh??
 
Kenn Rashad said:
Thus, the reason for the discussion; strength of schedule. You've just admitted that the team with 25 more bodies is stronger than a team with lesser bodies. Not sure why this wouldn't count.

And make no mistake about it, the very reason schools play down (against D2, NAIA and the Concordia of the world) is for the purpose of equalizing the budget. That argument is fallacious at best.
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According to FCS rankings, historically playing and losing badly to FBS schools don't really matter in the rankings and they don't usually count against that FCS school. That's what I meant.

As far as schools playing down to an opponent for budget reasons, a SWAC school doesn't gain much or make much money playing NAIA or D-2 schools. Bama State and Tuskegee might be the exception or a homecoming game.
 
The SOS is based on every single opponent. the non conference opponents carry the most weight.


For the record, there is hardly ever a year that goes by that Grambling doesn't have the toughest schedule in the SWAC anyway. Sometimes I don't like it, but it's just a part of our history.


This season, I would have liked to see a lighter schedule. We are coming off two non-Grambling like seasons. We shall see what happens.
 
Basebone1898 said:
The SOS is based on every single opponent. the non conference opponents carry the most weight.


For the record, there is hardly ever a year that goes by that Grambling doesn't have the toughest schedule in the SWAC anyway. Sometimes I don't like it, but it's just a part of our history.


This season, I would have liked to see a lighter schedule. We are coming off two non-Grambling like seasons. We shall see what happens.
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Not always the case. When some ranked FCS teams lose to an FBS team, they don't fall in the rankings at all. That loss is not counted against them. If they were ranked number one, they remained number one after that loss.
 
I don't care how one tries to deny playing an FBS. Lets just say an HBCU team lucks up and catches a team on a very bad day and wins and continues to win in their conference, more than likely they will be high in the polls, some of you people love trying to create your own rules, knowing damn well everyone on the schedule is important even though some may have a big monetary gain.
 
lilrj1919 said:
I don't care how one tries to deny playing an FBS. Lets just say an HBCU team lucks up and catches a team on a very bad day and wins and continues to win in their conference, more than likely they will be high in the polls, some of you people love trying to create your own rules, knowing damn well everyone on the schedule is important even though some may have a big monetary gain.
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Uhh, that's quite obvious. If team A wins every SWAC game but loses to that one FBS school, you're saying that loss would hurt them in FCS rankings? If so, prove it.
 
JayRob said:
Uhh, that's quite obvious. If team A wins every SWAC game but loses to that one FBS school, you're saying that loss would hurt them in FCS rankings? If so, prove it.
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He never said it would hurt a team, but It would only help them in the rankings. A SWAC team beating a FBS team, along with other SWAC teams beating FCS programs, would add respectability back to our league, and we need strong schedules.
 
Basebone1898 said:
The SOS is based on every single opponent. the non conference opponents carry the most weight.


For the record, there is hardly ever a year that goes by that Grambling doesn't have the toughest schedule in the SWAC anyway. Sometimes I don't like it, but it's just a part of our history.


This season, I would have liked to see a lighter schedule. We are coming off two non-Grambling like seasons. We shall see what happens.
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And that is why I said that they may have over-scheduled, but we'll see how things turn out.
 
Basebone1898 said:
The SOS is based on every single opponent. the non conference opponents carry the most weight.


For the record, there is hardly ever a year that goes by that Grambling doesn't have the toughest schedule in the SWAC anyway. Sometimes I don't like it, but it's just a part of our history.


This season, I would have liked to see a lighter schedule. We are coming off two non-Grambling like seasons. We shall see what happens.
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That's debatable. Ya'll could play Houston, Louisville and Concordia and Southern could play TNState, McNeese, and Youngstown State and I would think that SUs schedule is tougher. Why? Because you already know you have TWO Ls and a built in excuse for losing but SU would be playing teams on their own level and teams they should be able to compete with year in an year out. To me, playing Houston is just as soft as playing Lincoln (MO).
 
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