Jon Gruden says it is tough to find a great pass rusher





Kamala said:
Overstatement? Bruh, pass rushers come and go but Khalil Mack is a generational talent. I put him on the Lawrence Taylor level.
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As a Bears fans watching him play, he's been great. But in this era, with the way the rules are setup to aid the offense, a singular defensive player -- regardless of how great he is -- won't have a decade-long impact on a team's prospects of being competitive. He's not as valuable as whom ever we consider the best quarterbacks in the league are.
 
Kendrick said:
As a Bears fans watching him play, he's been great. But in this era, with the way the rules are setup to aid the offense, a singular defensive player -- regardless of how great he is -- won't have a decade-long impact on a team's prospects of being competitive. He's not as valuable as whom ever we consider the best quarterbacks in the league are.
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That's your opinion. I feel differently.
 
<--Raiders fan here

.....I was not excited at all about Gruden coming back. Yeah I believe he is overrated not a bad coach but given way more credit than he deserves for that Super Bowl team at Tampa Bay.

......Yeah I believe he set the team back by letting Mack go, not 10 years though...

....at this point, he is simply trolling....he knows he will continue to catch hell for that move and his salary until this team does something significant....anyways....

....and while Mark Davis ain't rich as other NFL owners, they could have resigned Mack if Gruden really wanted him there but Gruden didn't.....he is offensive minded and a little ego driven....plain and simple...

...it what it is...
 
Kendrick said:
As a Bears fans watching him play, he's been great. But in this era, with the way the rules are setup to aid the offense, a singular defensive player -- regardless of how great he is -- won't have a decade-long impact on a team's prospects of being competitive. He's not as valuable as whom ever we consider the best quarterbacks in the league are.
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But Mack is better than most of the Bum QB's that are playing today. Who would you rather have, Mack or the bum QB from the Dolphins?
 
wahines said:
But Mack is better than most of the Bum QB's that are playing today. Who would you rather have, Mack or the bum QB from the Dolphins?
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Can you re-read what I wrote? I wasn’t comparing Mack to the average NFL QBs. I was comparing his value related to the best QBs in the league.
 



Kendrick said:
Can you re-read what I wrote? I wasn’t comparing Mack to the average NFL QBs. I was comparing his value related to the best QBs in the league.
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Son, I can read. After Brady, Rogers, Brees, Big Ben, Wilson, Newton, how many elite QB's there are? And please, do not say the bum from the Bengals, Dolphins, overrated Vikings, QB, Bum Jags and Luck has not don enough to be elite.

Not only can Mack rush the QB, but can drop back in coverage. Like you said with the way they pass the ball, you need elite pass rushers and the Raiders traded one away that is a once every ten year talent to find. Plus he was a captain and very popular in the locker room.
 
wahines said:
Son, I can read. After Brady, Rogers, Brees, Big Ben, Wilson, Newton, how many elite QB's there are?
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You just named all the QBs who’ve either won or played in Super Bowls, which actually makes my point you continually choose to ignore.
 
Kendrick said:
You just named all the QBs who’ve either won or played in Super Bowls, which actually makes my point you continually choose to ignore.
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I said after them, I am taking Mack over any other QB. Here is a question, are you taking Mack or Matt Ryan?
 
Kendrick said:
You keep naming QBs who’ve played in Super Bowls or, in Ryan’s case, won the MVP.
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And those are the only elite QB's which is only seven. The rest, including so-called MVP Ryan is average and I guess you are taking the average QB over Mack also! I am not saying an elite QB is not important, but so is an elite pass rusher.
 
wahines said:
And those are the only elite QB's which is only seven. The rest, including so-called MVP Ryan is average and I guess you are taking the average QB over Mack also! I am not saying an elite QB is not important, but so is an elite pass rusher.
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QBs are more important considering defenders literally aren’t allow to tackle them anymore.
 
Gruden has made more of a mess of this team. Unlike many of my Raider Brethren, I never wanted him back. It's been so hard being a Raider Fan after all of these years. Sheesh...
 
wahines said:
A QB should be able to play 20 years, they are now barley touched! Why don't the NFL say it is seven on seven!
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They should but look at how hard it is to find an good-elite QB. If you sink your money into a QB who can't get consistently get you deep into the playoffs, it can set your franchise back 4-5 years (see the Ravens, Raiders, etc.) and cause the other good parts of your team looking for a good pay day to walk

Brady, Brees and Rodgers are consistently elite. Manning, Wilson, Rivers, Stafford and Ryan are good (maybe borderline elite). QBs like Cam are good enough to lead a team but need everything around them to be right to make it to the Super Bowl.

Most of the other teams are wondering if they have found their QBs or still searching (Mahomes, Mayfield, Grappolo, etc.).
 
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