The Cop Shooting So Horrific It Cost $5 Million to Hide


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CHICAGO — A judge has ruled that police must release dashcam video showing the violent death of 17-year-old old Laquan McDonald, shot 16 times by officer Jason Van Dyke last October.

Judge Franklin Valderrama ruled the video must be released on Wednesday, Nov. 25 and denied a motion from the city to appeal the decision, securing the video's release.

The video reportedly shows McDonald carrying a knife on the southwest side of the city on Oct. 20 last year, walking as far as the width of two car lanes away from police before an officer shoots him 16 times.

If the streets explode, it will be hard for even the most skeptical observer to say it is anything but justified: McDonald never posed a serious threat to officers. Despite his erratic actions that included puncturing a squad car’s tire while high on PCP, the teen was clearly walking away as the fatal shots were fired.

That night, a Fraternal Order of Police spokesman told reporters what had happened in the eyes of the officers he represents in the union.

McDonald threatened the officers, said Pat Camden, the FOP rep. The officers were in fear for their lives, this former spokesman for the Chicago Police Department asserted. Jason Van Dyke, the officer identified as the killer by the Chicago Tribune, “discharged his weapon, striking the offender.”

Such is the language of all police shootings—until an autopsy occurs, or an eyewitness comes forward, or video evidence contradicts an officer’s statement.

“The story has 24 hours and it’s basically told by the police union, and the police union’s role is to defend its members,” says Jamie Kalven, a Chicago journalist who runs the Invisible Institute, a police-accountability nonprofit.

In a July interview with The Daily Beast, Kalven stressed the importance of independent autopsies—especially in cases like McDonald’s.

“I have not seen the video,” said Davis, the veteran cop, IPRA whistleblower, and police-accountability advocate. “But I’ve talked to people who have seen it, and they were horrified by what they saw.

“Grown men were brought to tears.”
 
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THIS is the kind of shit that fuels these movements. FYI, shooting in the leg really isn't an option. If you have to resort to deadly force, you are shooting center mass, period. If you shoot for a leg, and that leg moves, and that bullet hits someone on the other side and kills them, then what? In this case, the fact that only one officer was shooting says to me that none of the officers in the area perceived a threat serious enough to discharge even though he was high on PCP and had a knife. And then 16 shots?!?!?! 13 AFTER he was on the ground?!?!?!.....I can't see any way in HELL to justify that.

I can't understand why, in this day and age, a department would not equip an officer with a taser. Sometimes, a person on PCP doesn't feel the effects of it, but it is the appropriate force option in these encounters. That, and time....dunno what the rush was....

Yup, from what I have seen and read so far, there isn't a scenario that I could present a plausible explanation or defense for this...
 
Was he accused of a "strong arm" robbery of a corner store?
Did he charge head first at the officer?

I'm sure he deserved it after all he was walking in the middle of the damn street!

After unloading his entire clip the officer was reloading so I'm sure he felt the man was still a threat with 16 rounds in him.

And the family.... did not even file a lawsuit against the city of Chicago but was still awarded $5,000,000.

They'll be people who will try to justify this bullshit and say some ignorant shit about how he didn't comply with the police officer's orders so he deserved it.

Soon the pictures of the 17 year old hanging out throwing gang signs, smoking weed, holding a fist grip of cash up in a selfie as well as his high school conduct record to prove the amount of time he spent in and out of juvenile.

Oh yeah, he punctured a police vehicle's tire with his knife so he damaged a service vehicle so proper reaction was enforced by the officer.
 
They gave him a year to get his stuff in order. Hide his assets the young man's family won't get anything through civil action.
 
Yeah...took a YEAR and now the mayor is SOOOOO upset and they had to investigate, Investigate, INVESTIGATE INVESTIGATE themselves; and come up with a murder charge. Hummmm...how long it take them to charge Pookie after he shot somebody 16 times in the street? How about the man that killed that cop that was wrestling with him? NO time...hell, they STILL haven't charged Tamir Rice's cop with a crime....

WE HAVE A COP PROBLEM....
 
Today, ESPN’s Dan Le Batard invited Bomani Jones onto his radio show, where Jones addressed the McDonald killing. He didn’t hold back.

“At some point we have to raise the question of whether or not police killing black people like this is not accidental,” Jones said, “and this is kind of built into the equation, built into the design.”

He went on to explain the phenomenon of people suddenly conjuring concern about black-on-black crime after police killings are publicized, including blacks who cling to respectability politics, before smacking down anyone who would attempt to explain this unjustifiable murder as anything but.

Here’s a particularly powerful passage from Jones ...


“It’s worth noting that people are really concerned with crime in those ways and the whole idea of keeping us safe don’t live anywhere near where the crime actually happened. And what they’ve found is that people’s belief in crime and being tough on it and stuff like that and empowering police, they are correlated to their opposition to civil rights. It has nothing to do with crime or how crime affects their lives. They don’t care about that. This is just another way to hammer black people.”

http://deadspin.com/bomani-jones-cu...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
 
s phi s said:
THIS is the kind of shit that fuels these movements. FYI, shooting in the leg really isn't an option. If you have to resort to deadly force, you are shooting center mass, period. If you shoot for a leg, and that leg moves, and that bullet hits someone on the other side and kills them, then what? In this case, the fact that only one officer was shooting says to me that none of the officers in the area perceived a threat serious enough to discharge even though he was high on PCP and had a knife. And then 16 shots?!?!?! 13 AFTER he was on the ground?!?!?!.....I can't see any way in HELL to justify that.

I can't understand why, in this day and age, a department would not equip an officer with a taser. Sometimes, a person on PCP doesn't feel the effects of it, but it is the appropriate force option in these encounters. That, and time....dunno what the rush was....

Yup, from what I have seen and read so far, there isn't a scenario that I could present a plausible explanation or defense for this...
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Your fellow responsible law enforcement expert says he's supposed to keep shooting until he doesn't move anymore.

CNN's Jonathan Gilliam: Officer Jason Van Dyke 'not in the wrong
 
MetroPhillyTiger said:
Your fellow responsible law enforcement expert says he's supposed to keep shooting until he doesn't move anymore.

CNN's Jonathan Gilliam: Officer Jason Van Dyke 'not in the wrong
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I agree with only the very first part of this in reference to training. That said, the rest of that is bull shit. Training dictates that you shoot to stop the threat. It's hard for me to even articulate a threat in that video, but without being there I won't judge the decision to shoot, especially in the absence of audio. Those situations are very dynamic and fluid. But let's just say, with a huge benefit of the doubt, that the decision to shoot was justified. In my opinion, the threat that would have validated the decision to shoot ended when he hit the ground. I just don't buy what old boy, the analyst, is saying in that video.

As an aside...Since school is out for the week, I am working patrol on the streets. Today alone, I was in two different pursuits, and pulled my duty weapon twice on two different subjects, one of whom was a black man. Neither was initially compliant with the commands being given by officers. I had white officers, black officers, and Hispanic officers with me. Not a single shot fired.... One of the white officers was actually making sure other officers who arriving at the scene were not overly emotional and didn't escalate anything unnecessarily. EVERYBODY went home. At the end of the day, at a certain point, people have to realize that officers are individuals too, and responsible for their individual actions. Higher standard, yes... Department liability, yes. But we are still taking about individual people. Sometimes, badge or not, people do stupid shit, and at the end, are held accountable.

All that said, to me this is not a justified shooting. The reactionary gap of 21 feet is standard training. The part I think he misrepresents though is that this refers to the amount of ground that can be covered by a knife wielding person before one can draw a holstered weapon and fire. These officers had already drawn their weapon and acquired the target. From that position, an immediate that could be neutralized quickly simply by pulling the trigger. The "reaction" period has now eliminated the steps of unholstering, drawing, and acquiring a target. That covers most of the "reaction time" necessary.

Bad shoot, and embarrassing job of trying to explain that away on that video.
 
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Jason Van Dyke has a long history of complaints

According to an Invisible Institute database, civilians filed at least 18 complaints against Van Dyke since 2001, although he was never disciplined for the complaints:

  • One complaint dealt with racial or ethnic verbal abuse.
  • Ten complaints were about arrest and lock-up procedures.
  • Three complaints alleged First Amendment violations and illegal arrests.
  • One complaint was search-related.
  • One complaint pertained to operation and personnel violations.
  • Two complaints noted other misconduct, but the details are unknown.
Still, these complaints are only the minimum. Alison Flowers from the Invisible Institute told ABC 7, "Our data tool does not encompass all of Van Dyke's complaints. There are still more that exist that we don't have access to, that we've not been provided by the city, because of the injunction by the Fraternal Order of Police."

Beyond the particulars of the specific charges and complaints against Van Dyke, critics of police use of force argue that the shooting of McDonald represents a much broader problem in the US: Black people are, compared with their white peers, disproportionately likely to be shot and killed by police.

http://www.vox.com/explainers/2015/11/24/9796704/laquan-mcdonald-police-shooting-chicago
 
s phi s said:
I agree with only the very first part of this in reference to training. That said, the rest of that is bull shit. Training dictates that you shoot to stop the threat. It's hard for me to even articulate a threat in that video, but without being there I won't judge the decision to shoot, especially in the absence of audio. Those situations are very dynamic and fluid. But let's just say, with a huge benefit of the doubt, that the decision to shoot was justified. In my opinion, the threat that would have validated the decision to shoot ended when he hit the ground. I just don't buy what old boy, the analyst, is saying in that video.

As an aside...Since school is out for the week, I am working patrol on the streets. Today alone, I was in two different pursuits, and pulled my duty weapon twice on two different subjects, one of whom was a black man. Neither was initially compliant with the commands being given by officers. I had white officers, black officers, and Hispanic officers with me. Not a single shot fired.... One of the white officers was actually making sure other officers who arriving at the scene were not overly emotional and didn't escalate anything unnecessarily. EVERYBODY went home. At the end of the day, at a certain point, people have to realize that officers are individuals too, and responsible for their individual actions. Higher standard, yes... Department liability, yes. But we are still taking about individual people. Sometimes, badge or not, people do stupid shit, and at the end, are held accountable.

All that said, to me this is not a justified shooting. The reactionary gap of 21 feet is standard training. The part I think he misrepresents though is that this refers to the amount of ground that can be covered by a knife wielding person before one can draw a holstered weapon and fire. These officers had already drawn their weapon and acquired the target. From that position, an immediate that could be neutralized quickly simply by pulling the trigger. The "reaction" period has now eliminated the steps of unholstering, drawing, and acquiring a target. That covers most of the "reaction time" necessary.

Bad shoot, and embarrassing job of trying to explain that away on that video.
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As soon as this guy compared this situation to the military's battle in Fallujah, that should have been enough there to realize that this guy should be considered a part of the problem. The military has a different set of rules of engagement. Never seen a set of handcuffs or tasers on a soldier going to battle. So, I don't think they're job is to arrest enemy combatants...if you know what I mean.
 
9-year-old Tyshawn Lee lured into alley, shot to death, among over 300 blacks killed in Chicago so far this year, no outrage or protests on the scale of McDonald's. This dog isn't hunting.
 
bernard said:
9-year-old Tyshawn Lee lured into alley, shot to death, among over 300 blacks killed in Chicago so far this year, no outrage or protests on the scale of McDonald's. This dog isn't hunting.
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You don't gotta lie to kick it.

This was a demonstration held after Tyshawn Lee was killed.


This was a march held in the neighborhood where Tyshawn was killed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...shot-chicago-video-20151103-premiumvideo.html

Here is a story about a group of black mothers who banded together to patrol their neighborhood after a killing and other acts of violence.

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2015...ms-starts-patrolling-englewood-after-shooting

And there is so much more, too.
 
Tiger1 said:
Jason Van Dyke has a long history of complaints

According to an Invisible Institute database, civilians filed at least 18 complaints against Van Dyke since 2001, although he was never disciplined for the complaints:

  • One complaint dealt with racial or ethnic verbal abuse.
  • Ten complaints were about arrest and lock-up procedures.
  • Three complaints alleged First Amendment violations and illegal arrests.
  • One complaint was search-related.
  • One complaint pertained to operation and personnel violations.
  • Two complaints noted other misconduct, but the details are unknown.
Still, these complaints are only the minimum. Alison Flowers from the Invisible Institute told ABC 7, "Our data tool does not encompass all of Van Dyke's complaints. There are still more that exist that we don't have access to, that we've not been provided by the city, because of the injunction by the Fraternal Order of Police."

Beyond the particulars of the specific charges and complaints against Van Dyke, critics of police use of force argue that the shooting of McDonald represents a much broader problem in the US: Black people are, compared with their white peers, disproportionately likely to be shot and killed by police.

http://www.vox.com/explainers/2015/11/24/9796704/laquan-mcdonald-police-shooting-chicago
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And how many persons did not bother to lodge complaints? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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