chocalate_topaz
I wanna be your lover...
Exactly....Larry, Mo and KKKUrly didn't think this all the way through....they just did like they'd been doing and figured they'd get away again....WRONG!!!
What Happened To Sandra Bland?
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MetroPhillyTiger
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Woman in jail with Sandra Bland ‘positive’ she committed suicide
She was crying, an
“She, uh showed me scratches, bruises on her wrist and stuff, but we were talking through something this big,” said Pyle, while describing a small opening in the cell door with her hands. “So I really couldn’t see anything.”
Pyle described Bland as upset that she never heard from her friend LaVaughn Mosley, whom she had repeatedly called, to bail her out.
I could barely understand her,” recalled Pyle. “I was like, ‘It’s OK, don’t cry. It can’t rain all the time, it will be alright.'
“I don’t think the guards did anything. I mean it’s a tragedy either way, but I don’t think the guards did anything,” she said before being asked if she thought Bland committed suicide.
She was crying, an
“She, uh showed me scratches, bruises on her wrist and stuff, but we were talking through something this big,” said Pyle, while describing a small opening in the cell door with her hands. “So I really couldn’t see anything.”
Pyle described Bland as upset that she never heard from her friend LaVaughn Mosley, whom she had repeatedly called, to bail her out.
I could barely understand her,” recalled Pyle. “I was like, ‘It’s OK, don’t cry. It can’t rain all the time, it will be alright.'
“I don’t think the guards did anything. I mean it’s a tragedy either way, but I don’t think the guards did anything,” she said before being asked if she thought Bland committed suicide.
pvdogteam
Who ya rootin' for? PVU
She was trying to call my line bro? Oh my that is scary, he is the last person I would call because he always lays his phone down somewhere and doesn't answer, I guess she called because he lives near PV, literally a few hundred yards from where she was arrested, that is so sad. I know he feels awful wow
The Founder
Well-Known Member
I will be glad when the family's autopsy comes out.
The Founder
Well-Known Member
I think that has been determined.
Did the cop already have her license? If he did then he could have written the ticket, gave it to her, provided her a temporary license, and left.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
Is your line brother a lawyer???
pvdogteam
Who ya rootin' for? PVU
Nope, he used to work at PV and he lives real close to the road where they arrested Sandra, a lot of the younger alumni know my LB since he still lives there, I guess she called him to get with her family
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
Okay....I'm not going to lie, if my cell phone rings and it's not one of my immediate family members number, I don't answer it.
s phi s
The One Man Band
I saw this posted on FB, and I thought I would share it here. There is a lot of "advice" being circulated on FB about how to handle encounters on traffic stops, and what rights officers have. Frankly, most of what I have seen that is construed as "how to stand up for your rights" is just WRONG, and a lot of misinformation that will make somebody the next hashtag for trying to follow them. This post is probably the BEST explanation I have seen.
TEXAS LAW -via Attorney Marcus Henry
In Texas a cop can arrest a person for committing any class C misdemeanor, except for speeding or a violation of the open container law (Tex Tran. Code 543.004) and does have the right to ask you to exit your vehicle (Pennsylvania v. Mimms).
Unfortunately, a cop can also illegally arrest you and the law does not let you resist arrest or even defend yourself by using the fact that the arrest was illegal. (Texas Penal Code 38.03). #texaslaws
As Attorneys and Counselors at Law, we have to sometimes be Attorneys at Law and Counselors at Life. I don't want to be nor do I want my friends or loved ones to become a part of movement or a hashtag. Black Lives Certainly do matter and no one should be more protective of ours than us. Even though the game is to be sold, here is the real at no charge--
1. You cannot outrun the cops, especially in a car and when you attempt to, you will likely be facing felony charges which can ruin your life and that, most times, is the least of your worries. Criminal charges/convictions have far reaching effects and no one wants to go to jail but that jail is most often a temporary position. As my mom says, you can deal with anything temporarily.
2. You can be arrested for anything except speeding and open container. However unfair it seems, it is lawful. You don't have to understand.
3. You have constitutional rights. You don't have to consent to anything; searches, tests, interrogations. However, while observing your rights, you don't have the right to fight or resist. It's not required that you agree, but you must be compliant with the directions and authority of the police. If youre being arrested, you won't talk, beg, fight, run your way out of it. GO TO JAIL. Once you get there, under most circumstances, you will get a reasonable bond or your attorney will likely be able to have it lowered if it's unreasonable. (As added by Attorney Jen Gaut- 1. Always refuse, POLITELY, an officer's request to search your car, your house and your person. Never, never, never consent to a search. Never. 2. After the officer reads you the Miranda warnings ("you have the right to remain silent...."), POLITELY but definitively tell the officer you want a lawyer and you aren't answering any questions without a lawyer and then BE QUIET. You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride)
4. You don't have to speak. In fact, you shouldn't.
5. Hire an attorney. Always and IMMEDIATELY. Let them fight for you. The fighting happens in the Courtroom. If a cop wants to arrest you, he/she will. That doesn't mean you're going to be convicted or spend time in jail/prison. Cases get dismissed everyday and juries are acquitting people daily. There is the fight. While that is not exactly a fair venue either, after nine years of going to Court day after day, I've yet to see a person die under strange or questionable circumstances in Court.
I hope this helps somebody. However angry we get, however much media attention these cases get, we are responsible for saving ourselves and our babies.
@The Founder , I agree with you, but it doesn't quite play out that way in Texas. He had no reason to "confiscate" her license to have to give her a temporary. The license should have been given back to her when he gave her the warning. If the trooper wanted to engage in the whole "what's wrong" line of questioning, that should have been done during the first approach, when he was at the passenger side of the car. IMO, after he had already decided to give her the warning, there was no need to do anything else on the 2nd approach besides give her the warning, explain it, and cut her loose. He wasn't "wrong" per se, or "illegal" in his actions, but that still doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
TEXAS LAW -via Attorney Marcus Henry
In Texas a cop can arrest a person for committing any class C misdemeanor, except for speeding or a violation of the open container law (Tex Tran. Code 543.004) and does have the right to ask you to exit your vehicle (Pennsylvania v. Mimms).
Unfortunately, a cop can also illegally arrest you and the law does not let you resist arrest or even defend yourself by using the fact that the arrest was illegal. (Texas Penal Code 38.03). #texaslaws
As Attorneys and Counselors at Law, we have to sometimes be Attorneys at Law and Counselors at Life. I don't want to be nor do I want my friends or loved ones to become a part of movement or a hashtag. Black Lives Certainly do matter and no one should be more protective of ours than us. Even though the game is to be sold, here is the real at no charge--
1. You cannot outrun the cops, especially in a car and when you attempt to, you will likely be facing felony charges which can ruin your life and that, most times, is the least of your worries. Criminal charges/convictions have far reaching effects and no one wants to go to jail but that jail is most often a temporary position. As my mom says, you can deal with anything temporarily.
2. You can be arrested for anything except speeding and open container. However unfair it seems, it is lawful. You don't have to understand.
3. You have constitutional rights. You don't have to consent to anything; searches, tests, interrogations. However, while observing your rights, you don't have the right to fight or resist. It's not required that you agree, but you must be compliant with the directions and authority of the police. If youre being arrested, you won't talk, beg, fight, run your way out of it. GO TO JAIL. Once you get there, under most circumstances, you will get a reasonable bond or your attorney will likely be able to have it lowered if it's unreasonable. (As added by Attorney Jen Gaut- 1. Always refuse, POLITELY, an officer's request to search your car, your house and your person. Never, never, never consent to a search. Never. 2. After the officer reads you the Miranda warnings ("you have the right to remain silent...."), POLITELY but definitively tell the officer you want a lawyer and you aren't answering any questions without a lawyer and then BE QUIET. You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride)
4. You don't have to speak. In fact, you shouldn't.
5. Hire an attorney. Always and IMMEDIATELY. Let them fight for you. The fighting happens in the Courtroom. If a cop wants to arrest you, he/she will. That doesn't mean you're going to be convicted or spend time in jail/prison. Cases get dismissed everyday and juries are acquitting people daily. There is the fight. While that is not exactly a fair venue either, after nine years of going to Court day after day, I've yet to see a person die under strange or questionable circumstances in Court.
I hope this helps somebody. However angry we get, however much media attention these cases get, we are responsible for saving ourselves and our babies.
@The Founder , I agree with you, but it doesn't quite play out that way in Texas. He had no reason to "confiscate" her license to have to give her a temporary. The license should have been given back to her when he gave her the warning. If the trooper wanted to engage in the whole "what's wrong" line of questioning, that should have been done during the first approach, when he was at the passenger side of the car. IMO, after he had already decided to give her the warning, there was no need to do anything else on the 2nd approach besides give her the warning, explain it, and cut her loose. He wasn't "wrong" per se, or "illegal" in his actions, but that still doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.
number1
Well-Known Member
Which brings up the point of who was supposed to be monitoring them. Did they know she was a potential suicide risk? If so, I am sure strict monitoring would have been required.
MetroPhillyTiger
Well-Known Member
The major flaw in folks trying to tell people how to act when confronted with a police officer is that it assumes that everyone is of a sound mind when being confronted. However, it should be expected that the officer conducts himself as trained and not unnecessarily escalate situations. Otherwise, he shouldn't be given authority to fatally harm someone.
But you have to wonder, why is this guy running around harassing certain everyday folks instead of going after real hardened criminals? Is this the state's policy? To generate revenue off the backs of the undesirable class?
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/crimereports/13/citCh2.pdf
"Law enforcement officers cleared 20 percent of all index offenses reported to them in 2013, by arrest or exceptional means. Of the violent crimes reported, 45 percent were cleared, while 17 percent of all property crimes were cleared. The relatively high clearance rate for violent crimes compared to the non-violent property crimes is, in part, attributable to the element of confrontation between the victim and the perpetrator, which contributes to identification of the offender"
If an airline only made 45% of their flights on time would they still be in business? But, what if there was only ONE airline? They could treat you however they'd want and there's nothing you can do about it...until you figure out how change their policies.
s phi s
The One Man Band
As for the first part, I agree. Only problem is, generally speaking, many who caution against making assumptions against a group are quick to make them against others.
As for the stats, I don't have the 2013 numbers off hand, but what I DID find was that nationwide in 2010, 47.2% of those crimes were cleared, which suggests that the stat you posted is on par with national average.
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
All I have to say is this. We need to stop telling our children everything has changed and we have the same rights as whites. It is evident we do not. We understood this when we were growing up. But because our children are going to school with them and socializing with them they feel they can do what they do. It ain't necessarily so and we need to teach our children survival skills. This is the same racist country I grew up in. Just because we see Black folk on TV and we don't have to ride on the back of the bus does not mean anything. White folk proved how they feel about Black folk when Barack Obama was elected president and he is TRULY half white. Integration has never been this country's goal after emancipation. They have proven it time and time again. Yeah, you will find "good" white folk here and there and maybe even a pocket of them if you are lucky but believe you me.....for those in control and those who have no control (white folk I am talking about) that is not the case. As long as we work for them or entertain them they are content to tolerate us...and that goes for law enforcers too. Why do you think there are separate police unions?
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96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
buckwheat
Well-Known Member
I tell people that all the time. The laws are different for us.
s phi s
The One Man Band
Saw this on Facebook and have seen arguments already about which side of the token this political cartoon is playing. It was published in Sunday's Houston Chronicle, but was drawn by the Washington Post's Tom Toles. I have seen this drawing labeled as insensitive and have some calling to boycott the Chronicle. Others say that it's great use of satire and portrays the ridiculousness of how this whole thing started. What do YOU think?
96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
My youngest daughter will headed back to PVAMU in approximately 24 days. She's also a newly licensed driver. I also have a niece who drives and is a student at PVAMU.
While all of this isn't too surprising to me (the Black woman, white cop involvement), it is a little shocking because in this particular case, it was a Black female that died from events behind another highly suspicious arrest/incarceration at the hands of a white officer. It's very, very sad and depressing to see the countless others, especially our Black brothers, who have suffered unwarranted and unjustified verbal and/or physical abuse and/or death, at the hands of white officers.......but to see this happen to a Black woman? I'm not naïve enough to know the rules are not the same for our race (Black/African American/Negroid), and I tell this to my daughters every day, and I've always known in the back of my mind that this could happen to me, my sister, daughters, nieces, aunts, cousins, friends, but it's always been at the back of mind....until Sandra Bland made it resurface to the front.
I've traveled Hwy 290W more times than I care to count (even before Bet knew she wanted to attend PVAMU), and whenever I come off that exit on to the old Alta Vista, and seeing that beautiful J.B. Coleman library, I was happy & excited because I knew my child was happy & excited to be returning to a place that she loves very much. I never imagined that something as simple (and once not even taken into consideration) as turning on to an exit and driving toward the beautiful campus of an HBCU (once a slave plantation) would now make me think, "Lord, if I do get stopped by the police, please don't let it be by a dirty, low-down cop". Now, whenever I get off that exit and drive toward that campus, I'll think about how I'm following the same road that led to Sandra Bland's death.
Forever Rest in Peace Sandra Bland.
While all of this isn't too surprising to me (the Black woman, white cop involvement), it is a little shocking because in this particular case, it was a Black female that died from events behind another highly suspicious arrest/incarceration at the hands of a white officer. It's very, very sad and depressing to see the countless others, especially our Black brothers, who have suffered unwarranted and unjustified verbal and/or physical abuse and/or death, at the hands of white officers.......but to see this happen to a Black woman? I'm not naïve enough to know the rules are not the same for our race (Black/African American/Negroid), and I tell this to my daughters every day, and I've always known in the back of my mind that this could happen to me, my sister, daughters, nieces, aunts, cousins, friends, but it's always been at the back of mind....until Sandra Bland made it resurface to the front.
I've traveled Hwy 290W more times than I care to count (even before Bet knew she wanted to attend PVAMU), and whenever I come off that exit on to the old Alta Vista, and seeing that beautiful J.B. Coleman library, I was happy & excited because I knew my child was happy & excited to be returning to a place that she loves very much. I never imagined that something as simple (and once not even taken into consideration) as turning on to an exit and driving toward the beautiful campus of an HBCU (once a slave plantation) would now make me think, "Lord, if I do get stopped by the police, please don't let it be by a dirty, low-down cop". Now, whenever I get off that exit and drive toward that campus, I'll think about how I'm following the same road that led to Sandra Bland's death.
Forever Rest in Peace Sandra Bland.
96lioness
QUEEN LIONESS!!!
I tell my daughters this almost every day, and I've always taught them that because they are Black women, they also have to be on point at all times!
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
pvdogteam
Who ya rootin' for? PVU
Saw this on Facebook and have seen arguments already about which side of the token this political cartoon is playing. It was published in Sunday's Houston Chronicle, but was drawn by the Washington Post's Tom Toles. I have seen this drawing labeled as insensitive and have some calling to boycott the Chronicle. Others say that it's great use of satire and portrays the ridiculousness of how this whole thing started. What do YOU think?
Anyone who thinks this is good satire, just ask yourself would this had been created if the victim was a college educated WHITE woman?
s phi s
The One Man Band
I thought the same thing. I have driven that stretch more times that I care to remember as a prospective student that had only been driving a couple of years, then as a student, then an employee and alum. It has never been lost on me that this could have been me or any of my friends in this same boat. The one thing I AM proud of, though, is that my brothers and sisters up there have shown the nation that we can disagree and protest without violence, and actually (at least on its face) get answers to some tough questions. Although it's far from over, so far, we have shown the world that civil disobedience can still get you answers (even if they are not the answers we want) without doing unnecessary damage to property and possibly putting more of "us" in the crosshairs of those who we are protesting.
I also still think back to my very first ticket. Hadn't had my license for 6 months when I was pulled over by two HPD officers and ticketed for running a stop sign in my neighborhood that wasn't even there. I had driven my mom's new Buick Century to the corner store, and was on my way back home when I was stopped. First word they said to me was "Whose car are you driving?" I figured out then what the stop was about, but remained calm, took my ticket, fought it in court and it was dismissed.
Not the only time I have been stopped like that either. People see me now as an officer and assume that I have never had the "black" experience with police, and that I automatically think all police are above board. I know better. I wish I had the answer, but am committed to doing my part as a black officer to let our youth know that there are still some people that wear the badge with integrity that want to help our people.
We need MORE of this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ from men and women of color.
I grew up in and matriculated about montgomery county and spent a LOT of time between walker and waller counties. My position is highly evident as I've witnessed and heard "stuff" through the years. I sincerely hope the absolute truth comes to light in Sandra's case so that this situation is never EVER repeated again.
One of the things I'd like to help ensure is holding EVERYONE responsible for hiring those w/ biased/racist/non-objective mindsets and placing them in positions of authority w/ a loaded weapon and badge who do not protect or serve.
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