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Robber said:
How is TP right??? The NCAA does not consider the SCG a post-season game. It's the final game to determine the regular season champ. The Celebration Bowl is a post-season game, for which the ban applies. There's no precedent for that.
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According to some on here, the SCG was "OUR" Postseason game.... I won't quote names but I remember that position being defended strongly in here.
 
mighty hornet said:
No, I disagree. Bama State won't go to Atl (at least not this year for the Celebration Bowl). But Bama State will indeed go to Houston and win the SCG. The SWAC precedent that has been set is that APR sanctions don't disqualify a team's participation in the conference championship games (football, bbball, baseball).
Go back to my earlier post about whoever wins the West will be coming to Atlanta.
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Your position has changed on the SCG I see. I wonder what brought about this change.
 



jsupop33 said:
Your position has changed on the SCG I see. I wonder what brought about this change.
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ummm what?
The SWAC didn't just set this precedent. APR sanctions didn't effect a team's eligibility for SWAC championship games this year, the year before, the year before......

And if you say my "position has changed on the SCG", has yours? and "I wonder what brought about this change"
 
mighty hornet said:
ummm what?
The SWAC didn't just set this precedent. APR sanctions didn't effect a teams eligibility for SWAC championship games this year, the year before, the year before......

And if you say my "position has changed on the SCG", has yours? and "I wonder what brought about this change"
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Nope. You can check the threads. I didn't argue against the JSU ban. We dug our hole and had to pay for it. I was there to see Comegy's initial actions that put us on the path to APR trouble. I just wanted the Conference to stand behind their decision. As soon as became inconvenient, the conference flip flopped.
 
Robber said:
How is TP right??? The NCAA does not consider the SCG a post-season game. It's the final game to determine the regular season champ. The Celebration Bowl is a post-season game, for which the ban applies. There's no precedent for that.
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Robber,

They would NOT be banned from Houston.
They WOULD be banned from ATL.

We let ineligible teams play in ALL conference championship tournaments and hope they lose.

NOW, I always agreed that teams should be banned from SWAC championship tournaments EXCEPT the SCG. But that was because all other sports gave an autobid to the winner of the tournament. The SCG did not. NOW, the SCG does so the ban should apply to the SCG but since it does not apply to any other sport, I can't see how it will apply to football.

...and MH, ya'll will be battling Alcorn for 2nd place...
 
jsupop33 said:
Nope. You can check the threads. I didn't argue against the JSU ban. We dug our hole and had to pay for it. I was there to see Comegy's initial actions that put us on the path to APR trouble. I just wanted the Conference to stand behind their decision. As soon as became inconvenient, the conference flip flopped.
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MH, always said that the NCAA ban covered the SCG. No matter how dumb he sounded (especially considering when the Presidents had to take a vote on the ban), he and Fiyah still stood their ground. Even when a NCAA rep responded to Kenn and said that the SCG was not a part of the NCAA ban, they still argued that it was.
 
Tigerpride said:
MH, always said that the NCAA ban covered the SCG. No matter how dumb he sounded (especially considering when the Presidents had to take a vote on the ban), he and Fiyah still stood their ground. Even when a NCAA rep responded to Kenn and said that the SCG was not a part of the NCAA ban, they still argued that it was.
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Oh I know. He called it "our postseason" game.

Remember when Dr. Boyd wrote that beautiful op-ed about the importance of academics and then flip flopped on her position
 
jsupop33 said:
Oh I know. He called it "our postseason" game.
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And yall said it wasn't. Are yall flip flopping now and saying it is.


Remember when Dr. Boyd wrote that beautiful op-ed about the importance of academics and then flip flopped on her position
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When did she flip flop and say academics weren't important? PLEASE show me that.

I kinda thought you were better than this pops. I guess not.
 
Tigerpride said:
MH, always said that the NCAA ban covered the SCG.
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ummm, no I didn't. I said the SCG was a conference post season game and the conference can choose to not allow (or allow) teams to participate. APR sanctions only effected NCAA post season games/tournaments. Jafus provided the NCAA by-laws which backed that up.
 
mighty hornet said:
And yall said it wasn't. Are yall flip flopping now and saying it is.



When did she flip flop and say academics weren't important? PLEASE show me that.

I kinda thought you were better than this pops. I guess not.
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Nope, I don't think it is, I didn't think it was back then either. I just think once you take a stand on something like this, you should do the principled thing and stand by that decision.

Do you still consider the SCG a postseason game?
 
mighty hornet said:
ummm, no I didn't. I said the SCG was a conference post season game and the conference can choose to not allow (or allow) teams to participate. APR sanctions only effected NCAA post season games/tournaments. Jafus provided the NCAA by-laws which backed that up.
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Nope, nope, nope..

Your stance was that the penalty never specified conference-sponsored so you said it covered the ENTIRE post season. You never once said the conference had the right to choose. THAT is what the rest of us were saying. You said it made no sense for the Presidents to vote because the penalty covered it. It was dumb when you said it.. and maybe now you realize it and you are trying to back it up. If that was YOUR stance, what was the stance by the rest of us?
 



The SCG is a conference post season game. Anything played after that game is a NCAA post season game.
 
Tigerpride said:
Nope, nope, nope..

Your stance was that the penalty never specified conference-sponsored so you said it covered the ENTIRE post season. You never once said the conference had the right to choose. THAT is what the rest of us were saying. You said it made no sense for the Presidents to vote because the penalty covered it. It was dumb when you said it.. and maybe now you realize it and you are trying to back it up. If that was YOUR stance, what was the stance by the rest of us?
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Nope nope nope (see how easy it is for me to return serve if I so choose LOL)

But I won't get into a trivial back and forth over semantics. I had a position. Not only was that position backed by NCAA by-laws, but it was indeed the position that was taken by the conference. On the other hand, the hot air that you were blowing, was just that, hot air that amounted to......nothing. o_O


but I digress, please come to Houston to see the Hornets win.
 
MH,
It is documented that in 2011, your stance was that the conference should ban teams from participating in the SCG if they were banned from postseason play by the NCAA. 4 years later, you have a different stance. Something had to happen to change that viewpoint.
 
jsupop33 said:
MH,
It is documented that in 2011, your stance was that the conference should ban teams from participating in the SCG if they were banned from postseason play by the NCAA. 4 years later, you have a different stance. Something had to happen to change that viewpoint.
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Tell me again now, what is my stance. And how it is different now.
and then tell me how Dr. Boyd's vote on a football/basketball game is an indication of the value she places on academics.
 
If I was Bama State I wouldnt want to play in the SWAC CHampionship game.... do you know how many times it will be mentioned on national tv (during swac champinoship and the Celebration Bowl if you were to win the SWAC Championship) that your school is ineligible because of APR issues... that would be ALOT of negative press on national television.
 
mighty hornet said:
No, I disagree. Bama State won't go to Atl (at least not this year for the Celebration Bowl). But Bama State will indeed go to Houston and win the SCG. The SWAC precedent that has been set is that APR sanctions don't disqualify a team's participation in the conference championship games (football, bbball, baseball).
Go back to my earlier post about whoever wins the West will be coming to Atlanta.
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LOL...I see Jenkins has their attention!
 
jsupop33 said:
MH,
It is documented that in 2011, your stance was that the conference should ban teams from participating in the SCG if they were banned from postseason play by the NCAA. 4 years later, you have a different stance. Something had to happen to change that viewpoint.
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Don't even waste your time, Pops. You won't get a legimate answer from this one. Trust me.
 
J C said:
LOL...I see Jenkins has their attention!
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We are always concerned with cheaters.. All of that cheating even got po Hughes fired. Without that cheating, JSU would have gone to Bham from 1999-2002 and Hughes never would have been fired.
 
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Tigerpride said:
We are always concerned with cheaters.. All of that cheating even got po Hughes fired. Without that cheating, JSU would have gone to Bham from 1999-2002 and Hughes never would have been fired.
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I seem to recall a lot of cheating going on for JSU when we came to Jackson in 2001
 
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